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[Hero]

If we're talking 'franchise' as opposed to 'series' then I would say Mario stomps all over Zelda. Besides the Super Mario Bros. series, you have the Mario Kart, Mario Party, Super Smash Bros., Mario RPG, Mario Tennis, and Mario Golf games.

If we're talking about series, then I would say Legend of Zelda > Super Mario Bros.

1. Zelda
2. Mario
3. Metroid

 

[john2kx]

i've never seen a bad metroid game.. they were all awesome.

metroid +1

 

[psycho_snake]

If i had to put my few favourite franchises in order it would be something like this:

1. Metal Gear
2. Zelda
3. Mario
4. Final Fantasy
5. Metroid

I never undertood why people say that FF has lost its touch. Final fantasy 10 was a very good game and FFX-2 has very good gameplay. FF12 looks like it will be another addition to the series

 

[TigerKnee]

Metal Gear > Mario > Lunar

RYU > Mario > Link > Samus > Richard Simmons > Solid Snake

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

Halo > Splinter Cell > Metal Slug > Contra > Super Monkey Ball

Halo is eligible since it's a thread about a franchise, thus, having no immediate sequels it's still a franchise.

Dude, does Halo come out of the box and fuck you 3 different ways? Did it come with a blowjob?

 

[jarrod]

If we are talking about the Zelda franchise...then does that mean we have to include

Nope, as they weren't official Nintendo productions. EAD doesn't consider them canon.

 

[Baron Aloha]

Dude, does Halo come out of the box and fuck you 3 different ways? Did it come with a blowjob?

LOL. I don't know why but that just made me laugh.

 

[User 406]

 

[SantaC]

I think it's a given that Zelda been the most consistant franchise over the years. The Metal Gear franchise had a pretty weak game in snakes revenge.

 

[SolidSnakex]

I think it's a given that Zelda been the most consistant franchise over the years. The Metal Gear franchise had a pretty weak game in snakes revenge.

That's not a Metal Gear game.

 

[Ristamar]

That's not a Metal Gear game.

?

 

[SolidSnakex]

Snakes Revenge was a game made to take the place of MG2: Solid Snake because Kojima wasn't willing to port it to the NES.

 

[Baron Aloha]

Snakes Revenge was a game made to take the place of MG2: Solid Snake because Kojima wasn't willing to port it to the NES.

That doesn't suddenly make it *not* a Metal Gear game.

 

[Guzim]

Snake's Revenge is just a piece of crap.

 

[SolidSnakex]

That doesn't suddenly make it *not* a Metal Gear game.

If you're going to consider that a Metal Gear game then the Zelda series would be hurt quite a bit by those CD-I games.

 

[Ristamar]

Oh, okay. For a second I thought you meant Snake's Revenge wasn't made by Kojima.

 

[jarrod]

Snakes Revenge was a game made to take the place of MG2: Solid Snake because Kojima wasn't willing to port it to the NES.

Snakes Revenge was actually made before MG2 though. And Kojima had input on it, the game was made with his approval.

MG2, Snake's Revenge and Ghost Babel are all variations of sequels to the first Metal Gear. MG2 is the only "real" in continuity sequel however, GB and SR are more alternate scenario spinoffs.

 

[SantaC]

The metal gear games have never been scored as high as the Zelda games anyway.

 

[Baron Aloha]

If you're going to consider that a Metal Gear game then the Zelda series would be hurt quite a bit by those CD-I games.

Even with the CDI games Zelda is a better series than Metal Gear so it wouldn't matter. At least the CDI Zelda games weren't made by Nintendo. You can't say the same for Snake's Revenge.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Snakes Revenge was actually made before MG2 though. And Kojima had input on it.

Where'd you hear that? Most of the reports i've read said he didn't even know the game existed until a year after its release. Similar to Suzuki and the whole Virtua Cop issue.

 

[jarrod]

If you're going to consider that a Metal Gear game then the Zelda series would be hurt quite a bit by those CD-I games.

Konami made Snakes Revenge while Nintendo had nothing to do with the CDI Zeldas. Besides, CDI wasn't a dedicated game platform... it's like adding in the Game & Watch Legend of Zelda or Game.Com Metal Gear Solid. Really, they just don't apply.

 

[Guzim]

You can consider Ghost Babel part of the MG storyline, considering the real ending.

 

[jarrod]

Where'd you hear that? Most of the reports i've read said he didn't even know the game existed until a year after its release. Similar to Suzuki and the whole Virtua Cop issue.

I read it in an old MG series history thread on TNL. It's probably still there if you look, pretty interesting tidbits.

 

[SolidSnakex]

You can consider Ghost Babel part of the MG storyline, considering the real ending.

Kojima said he considers it more of a alternate universe of MG than the "main" story. Ac!d might follow up on that story.

 

[Dice]

I think it's a given that Zelda been the most consistant franchise over the years.

No way, Metroid has been the most consistent by far.

 

[jarrod]

No way, Metroid has been the most consistent by far.

Metroid skipped a generation though. And the Return of Samus is pretty questionable quality wise...

 

[SantaC]

No way, Metroid has been the most consistent by far.

Metroid has been awesome, but Metroid II: Return of Samus was so-so. The cool introduction of spider ball pretty much saved that game.

 

[SolidSnakex]

For a series that's had a constant rotation of games since the NES period, none are really as consistantly high quality as Mario imo. Sunshine was a letdown but still a high quality game.

 

[ge-man]

Metroid has been awesome, but Metroid II: Return of Samus was so-so. The cool introduction of spider ball pretty much saved that game.

Metroid 2 is the one game in the Metroid series that really needed a remake IMO. As much as I enjoyed Zero Mission, the first Metroid is very playable even today.

 

[jarrod]

Found it...

Sometime after the NES version of MG2 was released, a team at Konami's NES division decided to make a Metal Gear sequel on their own titled Snake's Revenge. Eventually, the team leader met with Hideo Kojima in a train and decided it would be for the better if Kojima did a true Metal Gear sequel himself (contrary to popular belief, SR wasn't an American game and was made long before MG2 on the MSX). While Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake was released for the MSX in Japan, KoA opted to release SR here in it's place and gave it a very crappy manual like they did MG1. And that's how we ended up with two different 8-bit Metal Gear sequels.

And Kojima himself likes SR, which is enough for me.

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/showthread.php?t=20334&highlight=metal+gear

..great thread.

 

[geogaddi]

Yes.

 

[Brian Fellows]

No.

 

[psycho_snake]

The metal gear games have never been scored as high as the Zelda games anyway.

Gamespot doesnt seem to think so. They gave Zelda: WW a 9.3 and MGS2 a 9.6

 

[clipunderground]

 

[jarrod]

Zelda Vs Metal Gear (last 2 gens)...

The Legend of Zelda
-The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (Nintendo 64) 98.6%
-The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (GameCube) 95.0%
-The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (Game Boy Advance) 93.4%
-The Legend of Zelda Collector's Edition (GameCube) 93.2%
-The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (Nintendo 64) 92.8%
-The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons (Game Boy Color) 92.6%
- The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages (Game Boy Color) 91.9%
-The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Master Quest (GameCube) 91.2%
-The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX (Game Boy Color) 90.3%
-The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures (GameCube) 87.2%
-Classic NES Series: The Legend of Zelda (Game Boy Advance) 86.4%
-Series Average: 92.1%

Metal Gear Solid
-Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (PlayStation 2) 94.9%
-Metal Gear Solid (Game Boy Color) 94.2%
-Metal Gear Solid (PlayStation) 93.4%
-Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance (Xbox) 86.8%
-Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes (GameCube) 86.3%
-Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance (PlayStation 2) 85.3%
-Metal Gear Solid (PC) 84.7%
-Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance (PC) 80.3%
-The Document of Metal Gear Solid 2 (PlayStation 2) 75.0%
-Metal Gear Solid VR Missions (PlayStation) 71.1%
-Series Average: 85.2%

 

[Mejilan]

It's all over, sell your cubes...

Wait.... wha?

 

[Hellraizah]

Dude, does Halo come out of the box and fuck you 3 different ways? Did it come with a blowjob?

Nope. But, as I see it here, Nintendo gave a lot of blowjobs with Mario-Zelda-Metroid.

 

[Cooter]

Would you consider Zelda the best franchise ever?

Yes

 

[jarrod]

Halo
-Halo: Combat Evolved (Xbox) 95.6%
-Halo: Combat Evolved (PC) 85.1%
-Series Average: 90.4%

Zelda > Halo > Metal Gear

 

[AniHawk]

Halo
-Halo: Combat Evolved (Xbox) 95.6%
-Halo: Combat Evolved (PC) 85.1%
-Series Average: 90.4%

Zelda > Halo > Metal Gear

What about Mario and Metroid?

 

[The Main Event]

Metroid is the best franchise evar. Let's put an end to this thread now.

 

[Hellraizah]

Halo
-Halo: Combat Evolved (Xbox) 95.6%
-Halo: Combat Evolved (PC) 85.1%
-Series Average: 90.4%

Zelda > Halo > Metal Gear

Halo PC doesn't count, it wasn't made by Bungie. But, I you wanna take every games in the franchise that exists, why don't you do an average with Zelda counting every GameBoy title ever released........... and the CD-I titles ?

 

[jarrod]

Keeping to the last two gens...

Metroid
-Metroid Prime (GameCube) 96.0%
-Metroid Fusion (Game Boy Advance) 92.1%
-Metroid: Zero Mission (Game Boy Advance) 89.9%
-Series Average: 92.7%


Super Mario
-Super Mario 64 (Nintendo 64) 94.5%
-Super Mario Sunshine (GameCube) 92.1%
-Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3 (Game Boy Advance) 91.8%
-Super Mario World: Super Mario Advance 2 (Game Boy Advance) 91.5%
-Super Mario Bros. Deluxe (Game Boy Color) 91.4%
-Yoshi's Island: Super Mario Advance 3 (Game Boy Advance) 90.8%
-Classic NES Series: Super Mario Bros.(Game Boy Advance) 83.7%
-Super Mario Advance (Game Boy Advance) 82.8%
-Series Average: 89.8%

...I'm not dealing with all the Mario spinoffs, but feel free to add them.

 

[jarrod]

Halo PC doesn't count, it wasn't made by Bungie. But, I you wanna take every games in the franchise that exists, why don't you do an average with Zelda counting every GameBoy title ever released........... and the CD-I titles ?

I counted every GBC/A Zelda. The only one missing was Link's Awakening GB, and that was 3 gens ago (the DX remake was counted though).

As for the CDI games, Gamerankings holds no reviews for them. And they're not "real" Zelda games regardless as Nintendo had no involvement in them (unlike Bungie who oversaw Halo PC).

 

[The Main Event]

The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Game Boy Advance 93.4%
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX Game Boy Color 90.3%
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening Game Boy 87.0%
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages Game Boy Color 91.9%
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons Game Boy Color 92.6%

Average: 91.4%

Even the average of the GB versions beats the average of Halo.

GB Zelda > Halo

 

[Hellraizah]

GB Zelda > Halo

So, comes November 9, you'll be playing GB Zelda, right ?

 

[The Main Event]

So, comes November 9, you'll be playing GB Zelda, right ?

Metroid is the best franchise evar. Let's put an end to this thread now.

MP2 + November = Playing with the best franchise ever.

Metroid > GB Zelda > Halo

 

[SA-X]

Mario > Zelda >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all

Undisputable fact.

 

[psycho_snake]

How are people even comparing Zelda with halo. Halo, so far, is a series with 1 game out and 1 being made. Zelda is a series with more than 7 or 8 successful games in it and another one is being made. I would be surprised if Halo can survive as long as Zelda will. Im also sure that Zelda will end opnly when Nintendo ends.

 

[Teddman]

Metroid II was a great game at the time, I wouldn't consider it a weak link in the series any more than something like Adventure of Link.

I remember loving what a change of pace it was, the suspense as you slowly stumbled upon Metroid cocoons and knew one was lurking somewhere nearby... Their progressively more advanced mutated forms kept upping the stakes of the battles too. It was a real "seek and destroy" mission.

Its only real problem was the lack of an auto-map (the last Metroid game without one), but that was remedied by the excellent map Nintendo Power published around the game's release, which is now available online. The game looks great on a GameBoy Color/Advance too.