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[MarkMe2525]

you really want to tell me there will be a better alternative to the pro in a year?
It will be worth to a lot of people. If the ps5 was worth for over a 1000 bucks at release then the same people will by at 700

That's not even close to what I said.

 

[TheAmazingSpiderMan]

These things are said with the assumption that the upgrade and cost are what they imagined it would be.

Apart from the CPU the extra GPU power as well as PSSR look like a good deal, it’s a shame they quite didn’t demonstrate PSSR in more detail apart from what we all thought it’ll be, I doubt it’ll come close to DLSS but until then we’re all just sceptical.

 

[bundylove]

That's not even close to what I said.

Then work with what i said

 

[bundylove]

Sorry guys but go out to your local electronic store and see what they offer at 700. Soon you will be like oh yeah the ps5 pro is worth 700 compared to everytjing else and especially compared to a 2tb series x for 600.

But is it worth to you or not thats a ehole different topic.

 

[MarkMe2525]

Then work with what i said

Your strawman? No thank you. Go back, slow down, and read with intention to comprehend before responding.

 

[sachos]

He said he failed to build a PC equivalent to the PS5 Pro because the GPU took up a large amount of the $700 budget.

He then decided to build a PC anyway using the $700 budget, which is why he chose the 3060Ti to test the performance of a $700 PC. Which gave reasonable results.

After testing, he said these results doesn't matter as it's best to wait on professionals like Digital Foundry who has the tools to do proper testing on the PS5 Pro performance.

This is how I know you didn't watch the video.

Ok, you are right. I did watch it but i jumped around the timeline to where he picks each part and i misunderstood the part where he picks the 3060 Ti. When you asked about the conclusion i thought you meant the part starting at 25 min mark.
I would still like for someone to actually build a PC with 700 without caveats and no asterisks though.

 

[bundylove]

Your strawman? No thank you. Go back, slow down, and read with intention to comprehend before responding.

Same to you.

 

[Edmund]

Hope Sony adds frame generation for VRR screens. Performance modes going from 60 to 90FPS would be a nice boost in fluidity, and the slight increase in latency should be very acceptable for most players, especially on a gamepad. It would be a no-brainer feature.

Wait. Does VRR add latency? I've been trying to find info about this for ages. Even sent a question to Digital Trend's Caleb Denison's *You Asked" series but my question wasn't picked.

 

[Mister Wolf]

No you dont. What pc is 700 that gives you more for your money.

Please everyone post a pc from any store at 700 and lets see whats in it.

What more do you get nowdays from a pc?
90 percent of people are on tablets or phones. They browse thebinternet on it they watch virtualy everything on it they send emails pictures videos on it etc.

If anything its the pc market people turn away from more and more. I kniw several households where pc got replaced fully or partialy by a tablet or phone.

I said spend a little more. $700, $800, or $1000 you're already spending a lot.

 

[Putonahappyface]

What a dumb thing to say.

Sounds like self projection to me.

 

[Utamaru1706]

Over here the base PS5 still sells for $600. Would be nice if that price dropped finally.

Yeah same here, where the PS5 slim costs like $540 for the digital version, and $630 for the disc version in my country, which is insane, lol (it could be more than that if the store only sells the console + game bundles, or with an extra Dualsense).

And Sony's "solution" for this problem isn't dropping the price of the base PS5, but instead they're releasing a "Playstation Certified" refurbished PS5s, which is cheaper than the brand new slim version (the refurbished disc console is priced at $399).

Now, I dunno if this could entice people in buying the console, but being a refurbished item is already a red flag in my eyes, and I doubt Sony would give the same warranty like a brand new console, since they know that the item had some history of being defect...

 

[bundylove]

I said spend a little more. $700, $800, or $1000 you're already spending a lot.

Yeah but like most said people wont switch to pc .
Dont get me wrong you are right but understand the market.
Thats why i listed reasons of what devices and what mind set replaced the need for pc.
You will have only a small % of people even browsing the net frol their pc or laptop at home . They all use their phines and tablets.
Pc just has no more value in households therefor its not even a thought for them.
And with this in mind noone will spend a 1000 bucks or more on a pc vs 700 for pro as its coming down to gaming at this point.

 

[Edmund]

The takes are really getting absurd. Either we are broke if we don't or folks like DenchDeckard are calling us corporate fanboys if we do.

The irony is DenchDeckard of all people calling others corporate fanboys.

 

[Topher]

So if the polls show a low % already for PS5, the real purchase ratio will even be lower when the normies focus on buying the lower priced PS5s.

Nah....I'm not buying this. You shifted from 15% being "almost nobody" to the poll numbers "should be" amped up when I showed you they are in line with what PS4 Pro did. Now a prominent analyst backs that up and you are talking about weed stock. I'm not following you down this rabbit hole you are digging any longer. Enjoy your weed.

 

[akira__]

They are pretty hard on most hardware as of late. There are, of course, exceptions. At least that's my perspective.

edit: I feel like you are overstating their positivity towards the Series consoles. They liked them for sure, but they also displayed measured skepticism.

There has never been console generation, where one side just didn't show up. The dreamcast had soul caliber, sonic adventure 2, phantasy star online, and the list goes on.

Xbox had incredible amount of marketing going into the generation. They had article after article about being ready, and having the most powerful console. 12 teraflops. And generation starts:

-No launch games
-Almost all exclusives 30 fps(initially), starting with the medium
-The most powerful console failing to deliver on that promise.
- no new controller
- no new UI
- Unable to go tit for tat with games. Where are the game list?

This has truly been generation like no other, many stores dropped xbox. Xbox games are now on ps5. EU market has completely rejected xbox this year.

How much worse must it become, for them to be more then just skeptical?

 

[bundylove]

There has never been console generation, where one side just didn't show up. The dreamcast had soul caliber, sonic adventure 2, phantasy star online, and the list goes on.

Xbox had incredible amount of marketing going into the generation. They had article after article about being ready, and having the most powerful console. 12 teraflops. And generation starts:

-No launch games
-Almost all exclusives 30 fps(initially), starting with the medium
-The most powerful console failing to deliver on that promise.
- Same controller
- Same UI
- Unable to go tit for tat with games. Where are the game list?

This has truly been generation like no other, many stores dropped xbox. Xbox games are now on ps5. EU market has completely rejected xbox this year.

How much worse must it become, for them to be more then just skeptical?

600 dollar 2tb series x vs 700 dollar ps5 pro is not a good showing for sure.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Have seen estimates of anywhere between 10 to 15 million around the time the PS6 launches and "whispers" believe they are making at least $200 per console if not more

Thats $2 Billion+

Add is a big surge of disc drives and stands

So technically they are asking their old and generous old-time customers to pay for their mistakes !

All on PC, Concord, Bungie, canceled GAAS games. And they continue to destroy the brand following the same strategies. One day those customers who buy expensive consoles, pay to play online or spend 80€ for a SP game will have enough.

 

[demigod]

The takes are really getting absurd. Either we are broke if we don't or folks like DenchDeckard are calling us corporate fanboys if we do.

What happened to DenchDeckard 's promise of buying a PS5 Pro after he was wrong about the Sony/Wukong marketing.

 

[bundylove]

Have seen estimates of anywhere between 10 to 15 million around the time the PS6 launches and "whispers" believe they are making at least $200 per console if not more

Thats $2 Billion+

Add is a big surge of disc drives and stands

Make it 4.

Increasing the base ps5 and taking out the disc there as well would add to that profit.

It will be interesting to see if this makes a difference in purchase ratio between the base and pro

 

[demigod]

Have seen estimates of anywhere between 10 to 15 million around the time the PS6 launches and "whispers" believe they are making at least $200 per console if not more

Thats $2 Billion+

Add is a big surge of disc drives and stands

Holyshit I thought they were making at least $100, but $200 is damn high. What about the PS5? I'm pretty sure they are making money on that.

 

[Aldynes]

Maybe someone here with a better understanding of tech can answer me, is it possible to reach 4k 60 FPS on the future most demanding games (GTA 6 for ex) even with the same CPU as regular PS5 but by volontary downsizing the image quality to abysmal levels, say 720p to make it run at 60 FPS but with their AI image upscaler/reconstruction thing somehow bump it back to 4k-ish level of image quality?

 

[bundylove]

Holyshit I thought they were making at least $100, but $200 is damn high. What about the PS5? I'm pretty sure they are making money on that.

You think ita too late for sony to add a year free service or a game voucher to ease the pain?

 

[Investor9872]

Going by the IGN polls, almost nobody thinks it's worth it. And almost all YT dudes talking about it says it's not worth it. Just stick to PS5 and save yourself $300.

Polls Show Only Around 10-15 Percent Plan to Buy PS5 Pro, Most Consider It Too Expensive - IGN

In separate polls conducted by IGN after the reveal of the PS5 Pro, only about 10 - 15 percent of respondents said they were planning to buy Sony's newly-upgraded console, with most saying that it's too expensive.

www.ign.com

And yet every single one of those "YT dudes" WILL BUY the PS5 Pro, and there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[MarkMe2525]

There has never been console generation, where one side just didn't show up. The dreamcast had soul caliber, sonic adventure 2, phantasy star online, and the list goes on.

Xbox had incredible amount of marketing going into the generation. They had article after article about being ready, and having the most powerful console. 12 teraflops. And generation starts:

-No launch games
-Almost all exclusives 30 fps(initially), starting with the medium
-The most powerful console failing to deliver on that promise.
- Same controller
- Same UI
- Unable to go tit for tat with games. Where are the game list?

This has truly been generation like no other, many stores dropped xbox. Xbox games are now on ps5. EU market has completely rejected xbox this year.

How much worse must it become, for them to be more then just skeptical?

Did you mean to respond to me? I don't see the connection to my statement. You just listed a bunch of grievances you have with the Xbox brand. What does that have to do with Digital Foundry's coverage of the hardware?

 

[GoldenEye98]

There has never been console generation, where one side just didn't show up. The dreamcast had soul caliber, sonic adventure 2, phantasy star online, and the list goes on.

Xbox had incredible amount of marketing going into the generation. They had article after article about being ready, and having the most powerful console. 12 teraflops. And generation starts:

-No launch games
-Almost all exclusives 30 fps(initially), starting with the medium
-The most powerful console failing to deliver on that promise.
- Same controller
- Same UI
- Unable to go tit for tat with games. Where are the game list?

This has truly been generation like no other, many stores dropped xbox. Xbox games are now on ps5. EU market has completely rejected xbox this year.

How much worse must it become, for them to be more then just skeptical?

Really? Despite the online hyperbole I think this generation is better than last gen for Xbox. Their game lineup is arguably stronger this gen.

Also some of these arguments are caught up in legacy mentalities of how consoles should be(controller/ui updates have to be on launch day as opposed to an evolving thing).

I'm just waiting for the "Series S is holding everything back" people to turn on a dime and start begging for AAA ports to Switch 2 without a degree of self-awareness.

 

[bundylove]

Did you mean to respond to me? I don't see the connection to my statement. You just listed a bunch of grievances you have with the Xbox brand. What does that have to do with Digital Foundry's coverage of the hardware?

$600 2tb series x vs $700 2tb ps5 pro...hmmm which one of these is out for lunch with their price?

 

[MarkMe2525]

$600 2tb series x vs $700 2tb ps5 pro...hmmm which one of these is out for lunch with their price?

What are you even talking about? It's as if you are spazzing out and having a conversation with yourself.

 

[bundylove]

What are you even talking about? It's as if you are spazzing out while having a conversation with yourself.

Can you answer the question?

The topic is is the pro overpriced or worth it.

And when i show what the competition has to offer for a 100 less, ia the pro still overpriced and not worth it?

Or are both not worth it?

whats your take on this?

 

[intheinbetween]

$600 2tb series x vs $700 2tb ps5 pro...hmmm which one of these is out for lunch with their price?

You’re comparing a 2TB limited edition of a Series X console (which includes a disc drive) with the PS5 Pro, good.

Btw, you can get the regular SX for less than 500$

 

[MarkMe2525]

Can you answer the question?

The topic is is the pro overpriced or worth it.

And when i show what the competition has to offer for a 100 less, ia the pro still overpriced and not worth it?

Or are both not worth it?

whats your take on this?

Not interested. Go take your ADHD meds and let the adults converse. As I stated earlier "worth it" is subjective.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Can you answer the question?

The topic is is the pro overpriced or worth it.

And when i show what the competition has to offer for a 100 less, ia the pro still overpriced and not worth it?

Or are both not worth it?

whats your take on this?

Very subjective.

I like to reference my son often in these discussions but he is an Xbox only player and if his Series X died this evening which one has more value to someone like that?

 

[bundylove]

You’re comparing a 2TB limited edition of a Series X console (which includes a disc drive) with the PS5 Pro, good.

Btw, you can get the regular SX for less than 500$

I am comparing a 4 year old hardware to a brand new hardware with around double the performance.

Its a fair comparison .

 

[bundylove]

Not interested. Go take your ADHD meds and let the adults converse. As I stated earlier "worth it" is subjective.

Sorry man but you speak a big game here but all i see is a coward.

Since we resort to insults. Old greta would have over reacted for sure to people like you.

 

[midasmulligan]

I’m getting it…because it’s better than the ps5

 

[intheinbetween]

I am comparing a 4 year old hardware to a brand new hardware with around double the performance.

Its a fair comparison .

Nope it’s not, once again the differences between the Galaxy edition and the regular SX is the 2TB drive and the look, it’s a limited edition not a permanent entry, it won’t replace the regular SX which you can get for 500$, unlike the Pro you have the option to go for a cheaper option if you’re not interested in the Galaxy one.

Also, you forgot to add the cost of the disc drive to the Pro

 

[MarkMe2525]

Sorry man but you speak a big game here but all i see is a coward.

Since we resort to insults. Old greta would have over reacted for sure to people like you.

 

[bundylove]

Very subjective.

I like to reference my son often in these discussions but he is an Xbox only player and if his Series X died this evening which one has more value to someone like that?

Xbox for sure.

Its like iphone users will never switch to android due to ecosyatem same with consoles.

But for a new user?

The console market is pretty much set for a while. Hence the digital push. They want you to depend on your digital library to stay with then

 

[bundylove]

 

[Three]

The greatest thing of DF, when it's about playstation they always find a negative angle. It's too expensive or too cheap, It's never right for them.

But launching 2 consoles at same time? Brilliant.
Having a base system(series s) that is weaker then console they released 2 years prior? Brilliant.
Creating the issue with slow and fast memory again? Brilliant.


For example the playstation portal(that was sold out, because of demand)

The reveal of that device led to riducule, even among playstation fans and youtube channels.

While the price at launch was only what 200? But not having OLED or having extra connectivity technology. Not good enough, should've created a expensive device apparently.

So there will always be something, and that something will only be used against playstation and not the wider industry.

Just set your watch for it, now that ps5 pro is going to rely on upscaling and frame generation, we can expect them to have issues with those technologies going forward.

They did this "midrange" PC GPU vs PS5 comparison with the $600-$700 4070 Super. Where they were gushing all over it, over how much DLSS offers, how much better performance and settings are vs base PS5. People even argued that the CPU they used wasn't important hence why they didn't mention which it was:

Analysis - Digital Foundry — RTX 4070 Super vs PS5: How Much Faster/Better Are Today's Mid-Range GPUs?

While it's obviously useful to base our reviews on the numbers (Mason), I also think we should look at what this class of GPU is doing more holistically. The bottom line is that developers are targeting PlayStation 5 as the foundational basis of the new games they are creating and when you stack...

www.neogaf.com

Fast forward around 8 months to this announcement and now everything they were gushing over is shit. A near 4070 upgrade with AI upscaling is shit and not worth $700 for an entire system. Now CPU is also very important apparently. They did the exact same thing with the nvidia Shield vs their reception of the Portal too. You can even tell with the dumb thumbnails they use.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Xbox for sure.

Its like iphone users will never switch to android due to ecosyatem same with consoles.

But for a new user?

The console market is pretty much set for a while. Hence the digital push. They want you to depend on your digital library to stay with then

Just adding as well the limited edition Series X also comes with a disc drive and you don't need a stand

Edit - With said disc drive you're not forced into their online store only so you can shop tons of used games for very cheap

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

$600 2tb series x vs $700 2tb ps5 pro...hmmm which one of these is out for lunch with their price?

At least the drive is included in the Series X.

 

[bundylove]

Nope it’s not, once again the differences between the Galaxy edition and the regular SX is the 2TB drive and the look, it’s a limited edition not a permanent entry, it won’t replace the regular SX which you can get for 500$, unlike the Pro you have the option to go for a cheaper option if you’re not interested in the Galaxy one.

Also, you forgot to add the cost of the disc drive to the Pro

At that point we can use the series s as comparable too.

My point is they are both overpriced so both companies ripp us off. One more than the other for sure.

 

[jm89]

Nah I can get this pc that is cheaper. The GPU runs on hope

 

[bundylove]

Just adding as well the limited edition Series X also comes with a disc drive and you don't need a stand

Edit - With said disc drive you're not forced into their online store only so you can shop tons of used games for very cheap

I get that.

To be fair to your comment, a disc drive is 20 bucks not a 100. The push ia to go digital thats why the high disc price . Its a scam. Should have never been taken out.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I get that.

To be fair to your comment, a disc drive is 20 bucks not a 100. The push ia to go digital thats why the high disc price . Its a scam. Should have never been taken out.

Where do you get them for $20 for the Pro?

They are $80 on PS Direct

 

[Topher]

Just adding as well the limited edition Series X also comes with a disc drive and you don't need a stand

To be fair, you don't really need a stand with PS5 either. My PS5 slim stands up fine without one.

 

[intheinbetween]

At that point we can use the series s as comparable too.

My point is they are both overpriced so both companies ripp us off. One more than the other for sure.

The Series S is different hardware, and I’m sure you know that but even though you brought it to this discussion, so now I’m intrigued to know what makes you think this should be comparable when the SX Galaxy edition is just a SX with a larger SSD drive and different look for the console and the controller. MS will make very few units of the Galaxy edition while will keep the production levels for the Series S and X

 

[bundylove]

Where do you get them for $20 for the Pro?

They are $80 on PS Direct

As a built in component in the original base ps5. 20 bucks.

By taking it out, make out look fancy plus packaging plus store shelve lease or place holder on a web store they can charge what ever. In this case 100 or 80 US.

 

[bundylove]

The Series S is different hardware, and I’m sure you know that but even though you brought it to this discussion, so now I’m intrigued to know what makes you think this should be comparable when the SX Galaxy edition is just a SX with a larger SSD drive and different look for the console and the controller. MS will make very few units of the Galaxy edition while will keep the production levels for the Series S and X

You just said the series s is a different hardware but so is the pro comoared to series x. The 200 difference from series s 300 to seriesx 500 is the same from series x to pro with the same difference in hardware

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

To be fair, you don't really need a stand with PS5 either. My PS5 slim stands up fine without one.

I haven't gotten to play with a slim so that gives me a little hope I might be able to get away without one on the pro

I like the stability with having big dogs wrestling often and not always looking where they are going

As a built in component in the original base ps5. 20 bucks.

By taking it out, make out look fancy plus packaging plus store shelve lease or place holder on a web store they can charge what ever. In this case 100 or 80 US.

But you can't add that $20 device to the pro, thought you guys were comparing the pro pricing to the LE Series X with only a $100 difference when in reality its $180 to be comparable minus the stand