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[damidu]

lol satya's reply to phil's cocaine fueled hype will never be not funny.
thx.

 

[demigod]

Who cares at this point, Series X v PS5 is so passe.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

It's just the constant sony fan circle jerking. It's unfortunate, because losing a competitor in the industry is going to be absolutely terrible for the consumer. Example: look at Nvidia now with AMD.

A competitor who doesn't compete is pretty useless no?

 

[ShakenG]

No shit. MS have given up on Xbox hardware, and you are telling us that Sony is selling more PS ?

Xbox hardware isnt bad. Id say if anything, xbox fans have givin up on xbox.

 

[TheDarkPhantom]

Going to be 10:1 with Death Stranding 2, enjoy! And as I've said before, Xbox hasn't "competed" in a decade, hasn't stopped PlayStation delivering GOTY contenders (and winners!) year in and year out, it is what it is.

 

[onQ123]

It's just the constant sony fan circle jerking. It's unfortunate, because losing a competitor in the industry is going to be absolutely terrible for the consumer. Example: look at Nvidia now with AMD.

Xbox consoles actually been bad for the consumer the last 2 generations by not adding what is basically the industry standard in control features (Touch & IMU ) to it's controller.

It doesn't matter if you like these features or not it was pretty ignorant in 2020 to release a console with a controller that didn't support these features & keep it from being a standard feature for devs to make gameplay around when creating multiplatform games.

 

[Unknown?]

Going to be 10:1 with Death Stranding 2, enjoy! And as I've said before, Xbox hasn't "competed" in a decade, hasn't stopped PlayStation delivering GOTY contenders (and winners!) year in and year out, it is what it is.

Bu bu bu buuuuu *drool drips from mouth* those GOTY contenders don't count because they aren't in-house games.

 

[kazuyamishima]

Xbox's take over of PlayStation continues with Forza Horizon 5's Microsoft account requirement

 

[TheDarkPhantom]

Bu bu bu buuuuu *drool drips from mouth* those GOTY contenders don't count because they aren't in-house games.

It's even more amusing because most of them *have* been 1st party titles including:

God of War (both)
Horizon (both)
UC4
TLoU2
Ghost of Tsushima
Ratchet & Clank
Astrobot
Spider-Man (both)

Again, I'm looking at the past 10 years and GOTY nominations across *major* outlets, not my personal picks (which would include GT7 for example).

Edit: and Death Stranding, Returnal and Helldivers 2 would be on my list (and various GOTY lists too) but two of those are still independent studios and Housemarque was acquired *after* Returnal was released.

 

[reinking]

 

[Syphon Filter]

Xbox consoles actually been bad for the consumer the last 2 generations by not adding what is basically the industry standard in control features (Touch & IMU ) to it's controller.

It doesn't matter if you like these features or not it was pretty ignorant in 2020 to release a console with a controller that didn't support these features & keep it from being a standard feature for devs to make gameplay around when creating multiplatform games.

lame controller kiddy gimmicks isnt why xbox is doing bad lol.

 

[tTHANOSs]

Even Nintendo came back from the dead from the Gamecube and the Wii U and they're not nearly a quarter as rich as Microsoft as a whole. We will just hope and pray that the next Xbox is worth a damn to keep Sony on their toes.

Nintendo had the benefit of 3 things with the Switch. Being Nintendo, gaming handheld, and actually having games. And no gamepass.

 

[onQ123]

lame controller kiddy gimmicks isnt why xbox is doing bad lol.

I was replying to someone who said no competition was bad for consumers, my comment was an example of the competition actually hurting the consumer.

 

[MAX PAYMENT]

A competitor who doesn't compete is pretty useless no?

Obviously. What's your point?

 

[MAX PAYMENT]

Xbox consoles actually been bad for the consumer the last 2 generations by not adding what is basically the industry standard in control features (Touch & IMU ) to it's controller.

It doesn't matter if you like these features or not it was pretty ignorant in 2020 to release a console with a controller that didn't support these features & keep it from being a standard feature for devs to make gameplay around when creating multiplatform games.

Are you talking the TouchPad? That thing is trash.

 

[Three]

Obviously. What's your point?

S/He's saying xbox is not competing very well so trying to pass the buck onto the consumer as if they have to bail them out of this situation simply because of "lack of competition" is stupid.

 

[MAX PAYMENT]

S/He's saying xbox is not competing very well so trying to pass the buck onto the consumer as if they have to bail them out of this situation simply because of "lack of competition" is stupid.

Who made any suggestion of bailing them out?

 

[Three]

Who made any suggestion of bailing them out?

Nobody, but you were saying this

It's just the constant sony fan circle jerking. It's unfortunate, because losing a competitor in the industry is going to be absolutely terrible for the consumer.

The whole point is what good is a competitor who doesn't compete? It's competition that you're actually seeing but one offering a better product right now.

Are you suggesting that they buy xbox to avoid this "circle jerk" or what? No price cuts on the console, no new hardware to compete with Pro, no availability of base hardware. How can a console that is struggling be priced higher than the more popular one during the holiday period and expect to sell?

Point is Sony have competition in the form of one of the biggest companies in the world but what good is that when xbox is shite at competing. What do you want people to do exactly?

 

[onQ123]

Are you talking the TouchPad? That thing is trash.

Touch & motion controls are more common than the d-pad & analog stick nowadays it doesn't matter how you feel about them they are common features in consumer products but Xbox Controller didn't support these features.

 

[MAX PAYMENT]

Nobody, but you were saying this

The whole point is what good is a competitor who doesn't compete? It's competition that you're actually seeing but one offering a better product right now.

Are you suggesting that they buy xbox to avoid this "circle jerk" or what? No price cuts on the console, no new hardware to compete with Pro, no availability of base hardware. How can a console that is struggling be priced higher than the more popular one during the holiday period and expect to sell?

Point is Sony have competition in the form of one of the biggest companies in the world but what good is that when xbox is shite at competing. What do you want people to do exactly?

Any basic reading comprehension ability should understand all I'm saying is that it's in poor taste to celebrate a major competitor dying, as it will lead to nothing but harm for the consumer. Whoever was capable of pulling "bailing out" out of what i said, I've got no idea how to respond to that.

 

[MAX PAYMENT]

Touch & motion controls are more common than the d-pad & analog stick nowadays it doesn't matter how you feel about them they are common features in consumer products but Xbox Controller didn't support these features.

It certainly isn't anti consumer to not have those things.

 

[Three]

Any basic reading comprehension ability should understand all I'm saying is that it's in poor taste to celebrate a major competitor dying, as it will lead to nothing but harm for the consumer. Whoever was capable of pulling "bailing out" out of what i said, I've got no idea how to respond to that.

And anybody with any reading comprehension should understand that MS didn't exactly die, it chooses to not compete. so YeulEmeralda telling you

"A competitor who doesn't compete is pretty useless no?"

Is in a way asking you "why would the consumer keep them around?". You don't seem to get this though. What do you want exactly, people to give them money just for the sake of keeping this false sense of "competition"?

 

[MAX PAYMENT]

And anybody with any reading comprehension should understand that MS didn't exactly die, it chooses to not compete. so YeulEmeralda telling you

"A competitor who doesn't compete is pretty useless no?"

Is in a way asking you "why would the consumer keep them around?". You don't seem to get this though.

No one is suggesting the consumer keep them around. Just not celebrate it's death. Reading is not hard. Do i want the consumer to keep amd around in high end gpu's? No. Not if they aren't going to comptete there. Would i rather celebrate them doing poorly in crclejerk fashion or hope the actually nut up and compete? Nut up and compete. No matter how badly you want what i said to be about bailing them out, it isnt.

 

[Three]

No one is suggesting the consumer keep them around. Just not celebrate it's death. Reading is not hard. Do i want the consumer to keep amd around in high end gpu's? No. Not if they aren't going to comptete there. Would i rather celebrate them doing poorly in crclejerk fashion or hope the actually nut up and compete? Nut up and compete. No matter how badly you want what i said to be about bailing them out, it isnt.

Yes, reading is not hard so I'm not sure why you keep trying to suggest I'm saying you said you want people to bail them out, when I literally said nobody has said that. I'm questioning why you don't understand this very simple post and its point:

"A competitor who doesn't compete is pretty useless no?"

This has nothing to do with "celebrating its death" or anything. It's just making a point that a competitor who chooses not to offer anything good is pretty pointless to the consumer and I'm asking what exactly you expect the consumer to do.

 

[MAX PAYMENT]

Yes, reading is not hard so I'm not sure why you keep trying to suggest I'm saying you said you want people to bail them out, when I literally said nobody has said that. I'm questioning why you don't understand this very simple post and its point:

"A competitor who doesn't compete is pretty useless no?"

This has nothing to do with "celebrating its death" or anything. It's just making a point that a competitor who chooses not to offer anything good is pretty pointless to the consumer and I'm asking what exactly you expect the consumer to do.

So are we not talking about my first point? I'm not sure why you're continually bothering me. I'm just of the stance of dont celebrate an industry death. Don't bother responding, because I wont.

 

[captainnapalm]

After giving up on the exclusivity of their games, they might as well stop making consoles.

 

[Three]

So are we not talking about my first point? I'm not sure why you're continually bothering me. I'm just of the stance of dont celebrate an industry death. Don't bother responding, because I wont.

We're talking about the question that you asked

Obviously. What's your point?

And the answer is not that difficult but you're really trying hard to make it about sympathy for a multitrillion dollar company. I get why now. thank you for not responding anymore.

 

[MAX PAYMENT]

We're talking about the question that you asked


And the answer is not that difficult but you're really trying hard to make it about sympathy for a multitrillion dollar company. I get why now. thank you for not responding anymore.

Incorrect. I dont want sympathy for anyone or any company. I want viable competition and think it's embarrassing to celebrate the demise of it.

 

[Three]

Incorrect. I dont want sympathy for anyone or any company. I want viable competition and think it's embarrassing to celebrate the demise of it.

Could have fooled me with your constant "sonyGAF" accusations over the years. Also funny in hindsight now that you're feigning sympathy:

 

[Kumomeme]

so its 5 vs 1

Xbox :

PS5 :

 

[MAX PAYMENT]

Could have fooled me with your constant "sonyGAF" accusations over the years. Also funny in hindsight now that you're feigning sympathy:

Things have changed, obviously. I must've struck a nerve for you to go dig back in 2023 post history. Glad to hear it.

 

[Three]

Things have changed, obviously. I must've struck a nerve for you to go dig back in 2023 post history. Glad to hear it.

No nerves struck. I just remember and realised your "sonyGaf" shenanigans to not be fooled by what you're doing here again suggesting a "circlejerk" is occuring because of this article and trying to plead to 'concerns' of competition. I'm glad threads like this continue to hit a nerve with you though. Here's to many more.

 

[MAX PAYMENT]

No nerves struck. I just remember and realised your "sonyGaf" shenanigans to not be fooled by what you're doing here again suggesting a "circlejerk" is occuring because of this article and trying to plead to 'concerns' of competition. I'm glad threads like this continue to hit a nerve with you though. Here's to many more.

You can consider my nerves hit when I go through year old post history. Thank you.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Incorrect. I dont want sympathy for anyone or any company. I want viable competition and think it's embarrassing to celebrate the demise of it.

You don't seem to understand, we are not celebrating failure; we are celebrating punishment for failure. For 2 gaming generations too long the Xbox was kept alive with outside money without merit. We are now celebrating something that was delayed far too long; the destruction of bad company practices.

Do you know why the "viable competition" had been missing? Not because Xbox and Spencer had been walking failures. But because Xbox and Spencer had been GETTING AWAY with being walking failures. We are celebrating the power of the market finally removing the zombified corpse of the Xbox Division, so that others like Amazon can take their place and bring fresh competition.

Did you think competition is about keeping the loser around indefinitely? Do you really believe that? You need to go pick up a Wikipedia article on what "market competition" meant. And always we should celebrate when losers go away, that is how we get new blood.

 

[Three]

You can consider my nerves hit when I go through year old post history. Thank you.

No need, I'll do it for you. here's the thread that I remembered your shenanigans from

But continue to cry about how this self–inflicted situation with xbox is sad for us all now. Boohoo.

 

[SimTourist]

You don't seem to understand, we are not celebrating failure; we are celebrating punishment for failure. For 2 gaming generations too long the Xbox was kept alive with outside money without merit. We are now celebrating something that was delayed far too long; the destruction of bad company practices.

Do you know why the "viable competition" had been missing? Not because Xbox and Spencer had been walking failures. But because Xbox and Spencer had been GETTING AWAY with being walking failures. We are celebrating the power of the market finally removing the zombified corpse of the Xbox Division, so that others like Amazon can take their place and bring fresh competition.

Did you think competition is about keeping the loser around indefinitely? Do you really believe that? You need to go pick up a Wikipedia article on what "market competition" meant. And always we should celebrate when losers go away, that is how we get new blood.

Amazon sounds even worse tbh

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Amazon sounds even worse tbh

I was there when Sony announced that they want to make a game console. I was as skeptical about Sony back then, as you are now about Amazon.

There is no certainty that Amazon could make it work, but at least we are getting NEW people int the ring. Note that they hired one of the original developers of 1st generation Xbox. The chances are low, but I would still give Amazon a chance over the confirmed failures that was the Xbox Division.

 

[SimTourist]

I was there when Sony announced that they want to make a game console. I was as skeptical about Sony back then, as you are now about Amazon.

There is no certainty that Amazon could make it work, but at least we are getting NEW people int the ring. Note that they hired one of the original developers of 1st generation Xbox. The chances are low, but I would still give Amazon a chance over the confirmed failures that was the Xbox Division.

At least with Sony and early Xbox there were people passionate about games and high quality games could be made on a reasonable schedule and budget to break into the market and it was still a major risk. With todays budgets and dev times the risk is 100 times higher. If Amazon wants to enter it would be smarter and easier to be a 3rd party publisher than to run their own platform, but honestly I don't see Bezos being interested in this low margin business.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

At least with Sony and early Xbox there were people passionate about games and high quality games could be made on a reasonable schedule and budget to break into the market and it was still a major risk. With todays budgets and dev times the risk is 100 times higher. If Amazon wants to enter it would be smarter and easier to be a 3rd party publisher than to run their own platform, but honestly I don't see Bezos being interested in this low margin business.

Right now Sony is giving PlayStation 2 billion dollars a year as their budget. That is pocket change for Amazon. The Console Business is complicate, hard, but NOT expensive. Mi8crosoft tried to buy their way to victory but they failed. Amazon can succeed with far less money if they have the right people.

 

[SimTourist]

Right now Sony is giving PlayStation 2 billion dollars a year as their budget. That is pocket change for Amazon. The Console Business is complicate, hard, but NOT expensive. Mi8crosoft tried to buy their way to victory but they failed. Amazon can succeed with far less money if they have the right people.

Finding the right people seems to be the biggest problem these days, a problem I don't see them solving. They should start by releasing some games, see if they like the general idea

 

[ozz ex machina]

Right now Sony is giving PlayStation 2 billion dollars a year as their budget. That is pocket change for Amazon. The Console Business is complicate, hard, but NOT expensive. Mi8crosoft tried to buy their way to victory but they failed. Amazon can succeed with far less money if they have the right people.

You think amazon can succeed in the console market? What fucking year is this?

 

[Ev1L AuRoN]

When people start saying that Microsoft gave up on consoles, it sounds like a power move from a chess grandmaster, grasping a future no one can see. But the reality is that Microsoft tried for years to be the market leader. Game Pass was their Hail Mary, an attempt to outspend Sony on marketing. But just throwing money at the problem wasn't enough. Now, they have this ridiculous façade, doubling down on a strategy that hurt them and will continue to hurt them until they drop their hubris and tune Game Pass to be a lucrative business.

 

[Spitfire098]

You love to see it.

 

[Felessan]

Any basic reading comprehension ability should understand all I'm saying is that it's in poor taste to celebrate a major competitor dying, as it will lead to nothing but harm for the consumer. Whoever was capable of pulling "bailing out" out of what i said, I've got no idea how to respond to that.

Let's see, what we get from major competitor dying - Gears and Forza, along with Bethesda and ATVI games on playstation. XSS is no longer an anchor dragging down the whole industry down. No more "outbidding competitor" and discounting industry via heavily subsidized gamepass.
Honestly - that's a lot of points worth celebrating.

The whole point of competition is not for competition itself, it's for weak to die and strong to thrive.
And if a top dog become fat and complacent, there is always younger eand eager ones, it's not like competition disappears completely with Xbox death - Nintendo, PC, mobiles, clouds etc still in the game

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

You think amazon can succeed in the console market? What fucking year is this?

There is always a First Time.

 

[Felessan]

There is always a First Time.

What's the point for Amazon to enter market? They have zero synergy to it
And they have no infrastructure for it - no real experience on hardware front and no software, their gaming division focused heavily on live service games

 

[Mephisto40]

Just wait until GTA 6 runs noticeably better on the Playstation, that's going to be the true nail in the coffin

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

What's the point for Amazon to enter market? They have zero synergy to it
And they have no infrastructure for it - no real experience on hardware front and no software, their gaming division focused heavily on live service games

They tried to compete with Steam and failed (with most people failing to notice they even tried). It may be easier to just have their own Console Platform.

 

[Ebrietas]

When people start saying that Microsoft gave up on consoles, it sounds like a power move from a chess grandmaster, grasping a future no one can see. But the reality is that Microsoft tried for years to be the market leader. Game Pass was their Hail Mary, an attempt to outspend Sony on marketing. But just throwing money at the problem wasn't enough. Now, they have this ridiculous façade, doubling down on a strategy that hurt them and will continue to hurt them until they drop their hubris and tune Game Pass to be a lucrative business.

People just can’t admit that MS tried to do something and failed. They never “lose”. It’s always just the next step of their master plan.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Obviously. What's your point?

My point is that if Xbox consoles disappeared tomorrow it wouldn't matter to Sony.