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[clarky]

Guess you don't remember the wild who needs 4K days

Mate I struggle to remember last week.

I blame raving in my teens.

 

[Clear]

Only shocking to people not paying attention

Oh I've been paying attention myself also! Maybe I didn't make what I specifically meant more clear;

For me the shocking aspect is there's been virtually no attempt at damage control in the PR; They have literally just let the brand burn to the ground.
Where's Phil? Seriously, he's been spinning yarns for nigh on a decade and now he's... where?

For real, I've never rated him on his leadership skills, but as a front-guy he was always rock solid.

 

[Unknown?]

First im hearing that the lack of 4k tv's hurt the Pros sales.

In 2016 4K TVs were still not in most houses. A decent sized 4K was still thousands of dollars and a budget, tiny 43 inch was $650 on sale.

Sure it could sub sample, but I doubt those without a 4K TV were buying a pro for sub sampling.

 

[clarky]

In 2016 4K TVs were still not in most houses. A decent sized 4K was still thousands of dollars and a budget, tiny 43 inch was $650 on sale.
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Sure it could sub sample, but I doubt those without a 4K TV were buying a pro for sub sampling.

Not sure if serious. 4k TV's where everwhere in the UK and could be bought in the same price ranges like today

The best 4K TVs of 2016 – reviewed | Stuff

Get your big-screen fix with these top tellies! Here's our selection of the best 4K television sets you can buy.

www.stuff.tv

Not saying everyone had one but i certainly did and you didn't need to break the bank to get one

 

[Crayon]

Oh I've been paying attention myself also! Maybe I didn't make what I specifically meant more clear;

For me the shocking aspect is there's been virtually no attempt at damage control in the PR; They have literally just let the brand burn to the ground.
Where's Phil? Seriously, he's been spinning yarns for nigh on a decade and now he's... where?

For real, I've never rated him on his leadership skills, but as a front-guy he was always rock solid.

There's been a push for a narrative that all consoles are going down in flames but it hasn't got a ton of traction with actual people.

 

[Unknown?]

Not sure if serious. 4k TV's where everwhere in the UK and could be bought in the same price ranges like today

The best 4K TVs of 2016 – reviewed | Stuff

Get your big-screen fix with these top tellies! Here's our selection of the best 4K television sets you can buy.

www.stuff.tv

Not saying everyone had one but i certainly did and you didn't need to break the bank to get one

They were starting to become more mainstream but still not a majority in homes and those you listed are still expensive. These days you can get a 75 inch 4k for under 1k or a 55 inch for like $250.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Who cares?

Clearly you do.

 

[HogIsland]

Starfield turning out shit is a new low.

 

[clarky]

They were starting to become more mainstream but still not a majority in homes and those you listed are still expensive. These days you can get a 75 inch 4k for under 1k or a 55 inch for like $250.

If you traded in your PS4 for the pro you could probably still get a 4k tv as well for around the price of just the 5 pro and drive.

Im not having that the TV was a barrier of entry for the Pros target audience (us nerds).

 

[Unknown?]

If you traded in your PS4 for the pro you could probably still get a 4k tv as well for around the price of just the 5 pro and drive.

Im not having that the TV was a barrier of entry for the Pros target audience (us nerds).

No I agree with that last statement, nor am I arguing that the 5 Pro has mainstream appeal. The 4 Pro I do think had a bigger barrier for normies, more so than the 5 pro but not by much.

 

[clarky]

No I agree with that last statement, nor am I arguing that the 5 Pro has mainstream appeal. The 4 Pro I do think had a bigger barrier for normies, more so than the 5 pro but not by much.

Not sure what we are talking about then because the other poster was saying that the lack of 4k sets around at the time hindered PS4 pros sales and i disagreed. You could pick one up relatively cheap if needed.

I think i was on a LCD LG at the time, it was horrible lol.

Both Pros are aimed at us. A little thing like a TV isn't getting in the way.

 

[Radical_3d]

Both Pros are aimed at us. A little thing like a TV isn't getting in the way.

Edit: the funny thing is that I’ve spend a stupid amount of money to update my 4K with stuff like VRR and 120Hz support for 40fps modes… and those are the things that precisely won’t be needing with the Pro lmao! I’m an idiot…

 

[Mr Moose]

In 2016 4K TVs were still not in most houses. A decent sized 4K was still thousands of dollars and a budget, tiny 43 inch was $650 on sale.

Sure it could sub sample, but I doubt those without a 4K TV were buying a pro for sub sampling.

Can confirm, I bought a Sony Bravia KD43XD8088BU (43") for £530 in 2016.

 

[clarky]

Edit: the funny thing is that I’ve spend a stupid amount of money to update my 4K with stuff like VRR and 120Hz support for 40fps modes… and those are the things that precisely won’t be needing with the Pro lmao! I’m an idiot…

You might still need those features at some point. My LG has as that jazz + gsync and its awesome.

 

[Radical_3d]

You might still need those features at some point. My LG has as that jazz + gsync and its awesome.

WRGB OLED…

 

[Woopah]

The Series S should get a serious boost from GTA 6. It will provide the most cost effective option for playing the game to a new console buyer and the form factor will likely have mass market appeal too.

What do you mean by the form factor?

 

[m14]

What do you mean by the form factor?

Size, shape, weight etc. The Series S is small and easily transportable, particularly in comparison to the Series X and PS5s.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

The Series S should get a serious boost from GTA 6. It will provide the most cost effective option for playing the game to a new console buyer and the form factor will likely have mass market appeal too.

Yet they’ve barely sold any this year have they.

 

[m14]

Yet they’ve barely sold any this year have they.

That's true although console sales are down generally. It's just potentially the Series S price point could make it an interesting proposition to people who want to play GTA 6. And it can also offer all the other multiplats that the mass market cares about.

 

[Woopah]

Size, shape, weight etc. The Series S is small and easily transportable, particularly in comparison to the Series X and PS5s.

Do you expect GTA fans to care more about shape and weight than other gamers? How many of them will be carrying around their console?

 

[Humdinger]

For me the shocking aspect is there's been virtually no attempt at damage control in the PR; They have literally just let the brand burn to the ground.
Where's Phil? Seriously, he's been spinning yarns for nigh on a decade and now he's... where?

Not to get political, but I think he took a lesson from Joe Biden: sometimes, the best thing you can do is hide in your basement.

 

[m14]

Do you expect GTA fans to care more about shape and weight than other gamers? How many of them will be carrying around their console?

This will be the biggest game of the decade which will attract a lot of casual players. It's smaller size just another advantage that console has. Compared to the other current generation consoles it doesn't look particularly conspicuous in a living room.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Size, shape, weight etc. The Series S is small and easily transportable, particularly in comparison to the Series X and PS5s.

Sure if you want to play the game in the worst possible way it's a great choice....

LOL

 

[m14]

Sure if you want to play the game in the worst possible way it's a great choice....

LOL

Not everyone is as discerning about that as they may be on a gaming forum, or can afford to be.

 

[Mr Moose]

Size, shape, weight etc. The Series S is small and easily transportable, particularly in comparison to the Series X and PS5s.

It's worked well for it so far.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Not everyone is as discerning about that as they may be on a gaming forum, or can afford to be.

Then why nobody is buying Series S since shortages ended??

And why then should people buy that weak console in late 2025??

It's dead, let it go

 

[m14]

Then why nobody is buying Series S since shortages ended??

And why then should people buy that weak console in late 2025??

It's dead, let it go

Because the biggest game of the decade will be released next year, not this year. Casual gamers have no incentive to buy them right now, but in 2025 they certainly will.

That you want it to be dead doesn't mean that it is. 30 million people have already invested in these consoles.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

That's true although console sales are down generally. It's just potentially the Series S price point could make it an interesting proposition to people who want to play GTA 6. And it can also offer all the other multiplats that the mass market cares about.

#sonytoo again from you

PlayStation sales are down slightly so far

Xbox sales have fallen off a bloody cliff!

It. Is. Over.

PS5 Shipped Almost 5x More Than Xbox Series X and S During Last Quarter, Analyst Reports - IGN

Sony shipped almost five times more PlayStation 5 units than Microsoft shipped Xbox Series X and S consoles during the last financial quarter, according to one analyst.

www.ign.com

 

[m14]

#sonytoo again from you

PlayStation sales are down slightly so far

Xbox sales have fallen off a bloody cliff!

GTA6 is due to release on the Series S and it will be the least expensive way for someone to play the game. We will see in time how consumers react to that option.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

GTA6 is due to release on the Series S and it will be the least expensive way for someone to play the game. We will see in time how consumers react to that option.

We have ALREADY seen how they’ve reacted. The mass market has abandoned Xbox consoles, look at the sales, it’s dead.

 

[m14]

We have ALREADY seen how they’ve reacted. The mass market has abandoned Xbox consoles, look at the sales, it’s dead.

30 million people have invested in current gen Xbox, which isn't an insignificant number.

In any case, GTA6 hype will draw in consumers who may not typically buy video game consoles. We'll see how those people react to the Series S and the intriguing value proposition it represents.
The College Football game gave the Series consoles a boost, but that's nothing compared to what GTA 6 will do for them. In many ways that game's release will be the real starting pistol for the current generation. Many people happily remain playing PS4 and Xbox One because of the lack of incentive they have had to buy the current gen hardware.

 

[MisterXDTV]

In Europe it’s actually 10:1 now

LOL

 

[mckmas8808]

Not everyone is as discerning about that as they may be on a gaming forum, or can afford to be.

You are thinking too low of the average gamer. People know what the Series S is and isn't. They are dumb.

 

[Mr Moose]

30 million people have invested in current gen Xbox, which isn't an insignificant number.

In any case, GTA6 hype will draw in consumers who may not typically buy video game consoles. We'll see how those people react to the Series S and the intriguing value proposition it represents.
The College Football game gave the Series consoles a boost, but that's nothing compared to what GTA 6 will do for them. In many ways that game's release will be the real starting pistol for the current generation. Many people happily remain playing PS4 and Xbox One because of the lack of incentive they have had to buy the current gen hardware.

Would be impressive if that was Series S. No one gives a fuck about Series S, X has caught up to it now.
Edit: I thought it was 28M? Did they sell 2M in the last few months?

 

[m14]

You are thinking too low of the average gamer. People know what the Series S is and isn't. They are dumb.

We aren't even talking about the average gamer here, but about people possibly buying a console for the very first time to play GTA 6.

Would be impressive if that was Series S. No one gives a fuck about Series S, X has caught up to it now.
Edit: I thought it was 28M? Did they sell 2M in the last few months?

We know 30 million is the number for both consoles combined. But it still isn't an insignificant amount.

 

[Mr Moose]

We aren't even talking about the average gamer here, but about people possibly buying a console for the very first time to play GTA 6.


We know 30 million is the number for both consoles combined. But it still isn't an insignificant amount.

Do we? What's the source for that?

 

[m14]

Do we? What's the source for that?

PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S Sales Comparison - April 2024

The VGChartz sales comparison series of articles are updated monthly and each one focuses on a different sales [...]

www.vgchartz.com

 

[mckmas8808]

We aren't even talking about the average gamer here, but about people possibly buying a console for the very first time to play GTA 6.

Wouldn't that person already have a PS4 or Xbox One though?

 

[Mr Moose]

PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S Sales Comparison - April 2024

The VGChartz sales comparison series of articles are updated monthly and each one focuses on a different sales [...]

www.vgchartz.com

VGChartz?

WSJ - PS5 shipped 61.7M and Xbox Series 28.3M WW, as of the end of june 2024, PC Sales Falling

PC Sales Falling

www.neogaf.com

 

[m14]

Wouldn't that person already have a PS4 or Xbox One though?

Possibly. But some will not have owned any console before.

 

[Fess]

Where's Phil? Seriously, he's been spinning yarns for nigh on a decade and now he's... where?

He’s there occasionally, did some talking at TGS, but Sarah Bond is head of Xbox now and she’s the one that needs to start building some hype if they plan to keep Xbox alive. There was some words about next Xbox being a big technical leap but the rest is all rumours. She needs to start pulling some Kutaragi hype strings fast or nobody will care in 2026 or whenever they plan to launch new hardware.

Lots of Xbox users left Xbox during the Xbox One generation but they’ll lose more this generation. And not having anything in the coming 2 years is a historical strategic blunder, especially if GTA6 comes next year.

But as someone said:
Who cares?
I’m on PC now. Literally nothing would change for me if Xbox stopped existing tomorrow. I used my Xbox less than 20 hours last year and don’t play enough old games to cry over lost BC and every Microsoft game is better on PC and Gamepass for PC is better than Gamepass for Xbox. Among my friends there is only one left who’s sticking with Xbox, everybody else is on PC now. Game Over, but who cares?

 

[Sooner]

30 million people have invested in current gen Xbox, which isn't an insignificant number.

It kind of is by today's standards.

If it wasn't, Microsoft would not be putting their games on PS5. That was the ultimate white flag.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Possibly. But some will not have owned any console before.

You don’t think they’d at least ask their friends what console they have or which one they’d recommend?

People don’t just go spending hundreds of pounds/dollars without doing some research or asking around first.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

He’s there occasionally, did some talking at TGS, but Sarah Bond is head of Xbox now and she’s the one that needs to start building some hype if they plan to keep Xbox alive. There was some words about next Xbox being a big technical leap but the rest is all rumours. She needs to start pulling some Kutaragi hype strings fast or nobody will care in 2026 or whenever they plan to launch new hardware.

Lots of Xbox users left Xbox during the Xbox One generation but they’ll lose more this generation. And not having anything in the coming 2 years is a historical strategic blunder, especially if GTA6 comes next year.

But as someone said:
Who cares?
I’m on PC now. Literally nothing would change for me if Xbox stopped existing tomorrow. I used my Xbox less than 20 hours last year and don’t play enough old games to cry over lost BC and every Microsoft game is better on PC and Gamepass for PC is better than Gamepass for Xbox. Among my friends there is only one left who’s sticking with Xbox, everybody else is on PC now. Game Over, but who cares?

Did Xbox games going to PC day 1 influence that decision to go PC?

 

[clarky]

Size, shape, weight etc. The Series S is small and easily transportable, particularly in comparison to the Series X and PS5s.

Handy for when you need to throw it in the trash

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Handy for when you need to throw it in the trash

Back in 2020 it was a decent little console and certainly helped MS through the chip shortage.

Going into 2025, the parity policy means it’s now a big hindrance, we’re going to see so many Unreal Engine 5 games next year.

 

[clarky]

Back in 2020 it was a decent little console and certainly helped MS through the chip shortage.

Going into 2025, the parity policy means it’s now a big hindrance, we’re going to see so many Unreal Engine 5 games next year.

They'll have to ditch that policy soon enough. Which wouldn't be a shock the amount of u turns this company does.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

They'll have to ditch that policy soon enough. Which wouldn't be a shock the amount of u turns this company does.

Imagine the backlash from existing customers if they did though.

 

[clarky]

Imagine the backlash from existing customers if they did though.

All 8 of them lol.

 

[Fess]

Did Xbox games going to PC day 1 influence that decision to go PC?

I bought my first dedicated gaming PC in 2014 before PC ports were day 1. I’m not sure when they started doing day 1 releases, maybe around Quantum Break in 2016?

But PC ports in general has absolutely been a trigger point for me to keep investing in PC gaming. Goes for Xbox last generation and Playstation this generation. I was a console gamer at heart but slowly found out that PC usually do console games well enough, or better, and it wasn’t as complicated as I thought it would be.

I built a PC specifically for the living room this year and using Steam with big picture mode is so close to the console experience that my younger kids don’t know the difference.

Also, I think Valve is a bigger threat for Xbox than Playstation has ever been. Microsoft thinks that Xbox with Steam access is the solution but it’ll give Valve a platform to further grow in the living room. It’s the ultimate trojan horse. And once there, who is going to keep buying games or DLC or anything on Microsoft Store if Steam is easily accessed on the same box? They would need to start doing Microsoft Store exclusivity again or timed exclusivity through delayed Steam releases like Sony do.