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Alan Wake 2 reportedly runs at 840p 60 FPs on the PS5 Pro; Remedy responds, no confirmation, more details coming
Zathalus
Member
You clearly haven’t seen the Patreon video nor actually watched any of the videos where they discuss PSSR and the new hardware.Very positive videos. DF have always very positive about ps5 pro in particular that is known by everyone/s
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
His mind is made up and it’s all confirmation bias. Why waste your time with him?
Senua
Gold Member
Alan Wake 2 is a turd technically? lol
Zathalus
Member
To be honest I’m a bit bored. Went to bed and can’t fall asleep.
akira__
Banned
Ah yes, Only their most recent non public video counts. /s
Just because they have a positive stance in a video that doesn't remove all the other negative videos.
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TehGoomba7s
Member
$1500+ PCs struggle with 1440p on Alan Wake 2. It doesn't even have a native resolution option. You have to use a form of upscaling to hit resolutions. It's not your typical pick your res and settings and off you go.
Senua
Gold Member
That's maxed out with path tracing on, a very different kettle of fish.
Yes it does lol, it has DLAA
Mobilemofo
Member
Here's me thinking that the Pro has it all covered. It's basically a 4090 with special sauce. 
894p for the win!!! I am soooo buying the pro...
894p for the win!!! I am soooo buying the pro...
Wolzard
Member
Are they?
Here are the Steam Statistics from Aug 2024.
Here are the GPUs used on Steam by percentage.
Old news? Lol.
It is worth remembering that most users come from China and cyber cafes are still very popular there. And in those places, they use mid-low GPUs, because most people play MOBAs and MMOs.
I think an interesting comparison is to look at the sales of a PC store:
| Q1/2024 | Sales | Share AMD | Share overall |
|---|---|---|---|
| Radeon RX 7900 XTX | 2885 pcs | 11.8% | 6.3% |
| Radeon RX 7900 XT | 3295 pcs | 13.4% | 7.3% |
| Radeon RX 7900 GRE | 1010 pcs | 4.1% | 2.2% |
| Radeon RX 7800 XT | 6975 pcs | 28.5% | 15.4% |
| Radeon RX 7700 XT | 870 pcs | 3.6% | 1.9% |
| Radeon RX 7600 XT | 780 pcs | 3.2% | 1.7% |
| Radeon RX 7600 | 630 pcs | 2.6% | 1.4% |
| Radeon RX 6950 XT | 20 pcs | 0.1% | 0.0% |
| Radeon RX 6800 XT | 220 pcs | 0.9% | 0.5% |
| Radeon RX 6800 | 1900 pcs | 7.8% | 4.2% |
| Radeon RX 6750 XT | 1430 pcs | 5.8% | 3.1% |
| Radeon RX 6700 XT | 720 pcs | 2.9% | 1.6% |
| Radeon RX 6650 XT | 1455 pcs | 5.9% | 3.2% |
| Radeon RX 6600 | 2140 pcs | 8.7% | 4.7% |
| Radeon RX 6500 XT | 85 pcs | 0.3% | 0.2% |
| Radeon RX 6400 | 80 pcs | 0.3% | 0.2% |
| Radeon RX 580 | 15 pcs | 0.1% | 0.0% |
| Q1/2024 | Sales | Share nVidia | Share overall |
|---|---|---|---|
| GeForce RTX 4090 | 1385 pcs | 6.8% | 3.0% |
| GeForce RTX 4080 Super | 1620 pcs | 7.9% | 3.6% |
| GeForce RTX 4080 | 70 pcs | 0.3% | 0.2% |
| GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super | 2655 pcs | 13.0% | 5.8% |
| GeForce RTX 4070 Ti | 970 pcs | 4.8% | 2.1% |
| GeForce RTX 4070 Super | 3250 pcs | 15.9% | 7.2% |
| GeForce RTX 4070 | 2510 pcs | 12.3% | 5.5% |
| GeForce RTX 4060 Ti | 3575 pcs | 17.5% | 7.9% |
| GeForce RTX 4060 | 1705 pcs | 8.3% | 3.8% |
| GeForce RTX 3070 Ti | 10 pcs | 0.1% | 0.0% |
| GeForce RTX 3060 | 1795 pcs | 8.8% | 4.4% |
| GeForce RTX 3050 | 450 pcs | 2.2% | 1.0% |
| GeForce GTX 1650 | 170 pcs | 0.8% | 0.4% |
| GeForce GTX 1630 | 10 pcs | 0.1% | 0.0% |
| GeForce GT 1030 | 85 pcs | 0.4% | 0.2% |
| GeForce GT 730 | 20 pcs | 0.1% | 0.0% |
| GeForce GT 710 | 140 pcs | 0.7% | 0.3% |
| Q1/2024 | Sales | Share Intel | Share overall |
|---|---|---|---|
| Arc A770 | 130 pcs | 27.1% | 0.3% |
| Arc A750 | 120 pcs | 25.0% | 0.3% |
| Arc A580 | 5 pcs | 1.0% | 0.0% |
| Arc A380 | 225 pcs | 46.9% | 0.5% |
Source: 3DCenter.org, basend on the weekly Mindfactory sales stats by TechEpiphany @ Twitter/X
The cost is in miliseconds - the framerate is just math from the time it took to compute a frame (in miliseconds). Eg. 100fps = 10ms per frame. Add/remove 2ms and you get 80/125fps
I didn't say it was, but the video shows the frametimes, and in the comparable shots that are held static for long enough, the delta beween native/DLAA is at least 2ms.
ap_puff
Member
45% raster improvement is not tiny, but it's not magic either.
DIY sales are a small fraction of the market, the vast majority are prebuilts and laptops
Mr Moose
Member
It has DLAA and, on FSR, native.
proandrad
Member
Can't be mad at the hustle, dudes are farming.Very positive videos. DF have always very positive about ps5 pro in particular that is known by everyone/s
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KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Ah yeah my bad.
I still don't see the point you wanna make? I wasn't even responding to you and we were talking about FPS/DLAA.
And as I said if you enable Reflex + Boost you get better responsiveness than native so I don't see any issue.
Skifi28
Member
1) It's the performance mode. How does the CPU affect pixel count in a mode that is already 60fps?
2) I guess I game at 960p with my 4070. What a shock, better go sell it off.
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EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
Alan wake was a solid third person poltergeist shooter it’s a franchise that shouldn’t be flexing about graphics it’s a twisted horror franchise and people should lower their expectations for Alan wake 3
kevboard
Member
tiny in this case is of course relative. compare that to ~110% and ~500% of the PS4 Pro and One X respectively, and it is tiny.
Self_Destructive
Member
Problem is that we now know ~75% of PS5 owners play in performance mode, which means resolutions of 1080p and lower for a lot of games... so a lot of people on PC are probably playing with better IQ and framerates than PS5 due to DLSS regardless.
MisterXDTV
Member
Do you really expect him to answer that?
This week of nonsense created a world where PS5 base CAN reach 60 fps in just about any game but the PS5 Pro CAN'T with the same CPU and a GPU probably 2x faster once the image hits the screen
It's something special
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TrebleShot
Member
I think a small snapshot isn't much to go on and is this information verified
Insane Metal
Member
Absolutely. And neither cost 700 bucks. This thing is absurd. I hope it bombs.
Preseznik
Member
Just give it up framerate warriors, you will never win.
30FPS consoles 4L.
at least you've graduated from 720p though
The two games I play on my PS5 both run at 120hz.
Fbh
Member
Sounds like a low effort upgrade patch where they just replaced FSR with PSSR
Nah consoles are the best they have been for playing at 60fps since moving into the HD age
There is a lot of stuff to play at 60fps and decent resolutions now including some of the highest rated games from this year like Infinite Wealth, Helldivers 2, Astrobot, Stellar Blade, SMTV, Unicorn Overlord, Shadow of the Eardtree, Tekken 8, etc.
It's easier than ever to ignore these 30fps focused games. I'll just play them on Ps6 or hopefully PC in the future, with the added bonus that they'll probably be fully patched and with all the DLC for like $20.
Just give it up framerate warriors, you will never win.
30FPS consoles 4L.
at least you've graduated from 720p though
Nah consoles are the best they have been for playing at 60fps since moving into the HD age
There is a lot of stuff to play at 60fps and decent resolutions now including some of the highest rated games from this year like Infinite Wealth, Helldivers 2, Astrobot, Stellar Blade, SMTV, Unicorn Overlord, Shadow of the Eardtree, Tekken 8, etc.
It's easier than ever to ignore these 30fps focused games. I'll just play them on Ps6 or hopefully PC in the future, with the added bonus that they'll probably be fully patched and with all the DLC for like $20.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Yeah this game brings my RTX3080 to its knees. Almost feel sorry for subjecting my card to this kind of torture so i just don't play the game lol
DeadOblivion78
Banned
He's right. Image quality is way more important resolution.
Bojji
Member
This is with path tracing. PS5 Pro version doesn't seem to use RT in 60fps mode.
Pretty much confirms this resolution...
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Mattyp
Gold Member
The PS3s problem was entirely the price, it was $1,000 here on launch and they got smashed by the 360 for that reason solely and being late to launch.
There was no difference in graphics at the time for CoD & FIFA if anything 360 had the advantage and was cheaper.
Fortuneelsewhere
Member
I would think Gaf members would better understand what AI upscaling is.. I’ve read so many cluess comments here that I really don’t know if they are trolling or being just ignorant..
DeadOblivion78
Banned
The teraflops discussion during 2020 would've given you brain damage if you think this is bad.
LordOcidax
Member
PS4 Era = DF = God
PS5 Pro Era = DF = Evil
Btw... I still think that DF is just fuel for console war.
PS5 Pro Era = DF = Evil
Btw... I still think that DF is just fuel for console war.
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
Shit game at a shit resolution
Makes sense to me
Makes sense to me
Bojji
Member
WTF are you talking about, most of the footage you linked is with path tracing that PS5 Pro version isn't even using (at least in 60fps mode)...
High settings with 2560x1440 as a target with DLSS balanced (pretty much the same resolution as PS5 Pro version):
My 3080ti is 35% faster than Pro but nowhere near 4090...
I don't think he confirm anything. Alan wake is known for heavy on GPU, so low internal resolution is to be expected.
If anything, this post reassure people that image quality will be fine on the Pro.
Now, how do they do that? obviously, sub 1080p up scale is not optimal, so Increase res is the only way. My guess is the final internal res will be somewhat close to 1080p, and I don't think it hard to achieve it. As for the suprise, maybe path tracing at 30 fps?
Remedy: "Not that I'm confirming anything"
You: "Pretty much confirms this"
Ok buddy go to bed before you give yourself an aneurysm.
Lagspike_exe
Member
If the baseline resolution ends up the same on Pro and OG, they either boosted the FX, and/or the FPS is more stable. It seems to me that getting the 45% raster increase should be very straightforward.
Bojji
Member
"image quality matters more than resolution"
If this game was 1080p or more internal res compared to what DF reported he would have said this.
I also love that they care about image quality now when on the base consoles AW2 has absolutely terrible IQ with FSR2 - and they were ok with this!
deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
We're in a weird episode in tech. I mean, in the PS360 days we just cared for HD games, even thou probably less than half of the games were 720p internally, and a lot of those games played like PS2 games. Today we have all this crazy shit running behind, animations and AI on NPCs, and the internal resolution can't achieve much more than FullHD internally
Even with digital movies/series we have all this codec stuff to achieve 4K, and we can see that those streamings doesn't really have all the 4K shit for real. Just compare those ads that you see in showrooms, like the LG one, and you see that other stuff are not that good looking
We care more for how the content runs, or can do, than the resolution per se. Someday we will achieve for real, but since we can have photorealistic stuff now, eh
AGRacing
Member
That is totally incorrect though.
It's pixel counted at around 840p native, not the final resolution with PSSR.
I see you!
Mr.Phoenix
Member
PS4/XB1 APU 28nm wafer@ $2300/wafer
PS4pro/XB1X APU 16nm wafer@ $3,000/wafer
PS5/XSX APU- 7nm wafer @ $10,000/wafer
PS5pro APU - 4nm wafer @ $18,000/wafer
Think about this....
SyedDanishAnwar
Banned
I would take any video from DF with a grain of salt. They speculate a lot, with subjective conlusions.
They seem to me biased against both Sony and Xbox games. There is clearly an agenda in their video reviews. Some say they are on the payroll of Nvidia and so their videos are anti console.
I am waiting to see objective views of what other techies say about the console performance AFTER it's launched.
They seem to me biased against both Sony and Xbox games. There is clearly an agenda in their video reviews. Some say they are on the payroll of Nvidia and so their videos are anti console.
I am waiting to see objective views of what other techies say about the console performance AFTER it's launched.
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I can't really comment on Alan Wake 2 and what it looks like running of PS5 Pro, but I doubt Developers are going to push higher resolution then they need to, a 1080p or even 1440p render may not make any difference in the end result.
But this maybe a quick switch of upscaling methods because PSSR is better and they ain't messing around with anything else like they would if they developed the game with PS5 Pro in mind.
And I think it's the latter.