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[TintoConCasera]

Never understood why so many modern games need to have romances in them.

The memes are funny at least.

 

[FewRope]

Japan is when no lesbians

 

[MMaRsu]

so you really aren't even willing to engage the thought at all.

Its a huge over reaction from not only your side but the general populace as well.

I hate all the woke shit, like I said.

Forced shit to gain virtue on political agenda

But this has nothing to do with an optional gay romance which games have had for years.

Nazi's are shitheads so fuck those guys, I dont care about USA politics so I wont get into it. Politics are also forbidden on gaf.

But the entire left vs right bullshit has divided more and more people instead of bringing folks together for our shared love of lets say gaming.

On every fucking release you have this hate machine getting started up just to get the most clicks

South of Midnight will be their next target.

 

[StueyDuck]

Its a huge over reaction from not only your side but the general populace as well.

I hate all the woke shit, like I said.

Forced shit to gain virtue on political agenda

But this has nothing to do with an optional gay romance which games have had for years.

Nazi's are shitheads so fuck those guys, I dont care about USA politics so I wont get into it. Politics are also forbidden on gaf.

But the entire left vs right bullshit has divided more and more people instead of bringing folks together for our shared love of lets say gaming.

On every fucking release you have this hate machine getting started up just to get the most clicks

South of Midnight will be their next target.

just because it's an overreaction doesn't mean it has no reason.

things occur for a reason, can you not parse that information?

you can't think for one second that you wouldn't have this hate machine getting started up if it wasn't a counter-reaction to what previously existed and that original hate machine.

You don't remember Days Gone being dragged through the mud because of a dumb stupid sex joke between a straight couple? you don't remember Spider-man being scolded because he was evil enough to "work with the police", You don't remember Horizon Zero Dawn being called racist because one of the tens of outfits had a feather in it, and only native Americans are allowed to have feathers in their headdresses. You don't remember Ghost of Tsushima being labelled as propagandist material for imperial Japan....

The point being is that all you are seeing is the exact same counter-reaction to what came before. It may be silly to get upset at an optional relationship choice, but that doesn't mean it just came out of nowhere purely because orange man is president which I assume is the underlying sentiment.

 

[San Dan Glokta]

If you bully and push people enough they are going to push back and when or if they win they usually go further than needed, just look at anything in history ever.

100% just look at whats been happening around the globe in the past 2-3 years, without naming anything.

In ACS case specifically, the hatred build up has been more of a slow burn (thats the case for me anyways). I still remember when they had announced that they'll never be an assassin's creed in Japan, disappointing millions of fans across the world at the height on AC's popularity. Then when they saw the tremendous success of Tsushima they quickly changed their word for that cash cow.
But instead of copying an already established formula (The only thing that Ubi are good at), they deliberately chose a controversial protagonist to take a political stance; if you don't agree with this you're either being intellectually dishonest or its beyond your cognitive abilities.
I'm not Japanese and I don't put them on a pedestal like some people seem to do, but it was a right (yes, I know what I said) of the Japanese people/Japan lovers to get a protagonist from the same country as the setting, just like every previous title has had. It stinks and I empathize because I know I'd feel a way about it too if they were to do the same thing for my country/setting.
Also Ubi don't help themselves by being hyper incompetent and inconsistent in their marketing and research, not to mention their bad monetization practices and tendency to get mixed into scandals has eroded any sympathy or goodwill many had for them.
So yes, I for one see them as a laughing stock, I'm not buying another assassin's creed game for like atleast a decade (After having bought every installment except Valhalla and Liberation), and I think their downfall is well deserved and ultimately a good thing for the industry.

 

[MMaRsu]

just because it's an overreaction doesn't mean it has no reason.

things occur for a reason, can you not parse that information?

you can't think for one second that you wouldn't have this hate machine getting started up if it wasn't a counter-reaction to what previously existed and that original hate machine.

You don't remember Days Gone being dragged through the mud because of a dumb stupid sex joke between a straight couple? you don't remember Spider-man being scolded because he was evil enough to "work with the police", You don't remember Horizon Zero Dawn being called racist because one of the tens of outfits had a feather in it, and only native Americans are allowed to have feathers in their headdresses. You don't remember Ghost of Tsushima being labelled as propagandist material for imperial Japan....

The point being is that all you are seeing is the exact same counter-reaction to what came before. It may be silly to get upset at an optional relationship choice, but that doesn't mean it just came out of nowhere purely because orange man is president which I assume is the underlying sentiment.

The only thing that was even in the radar was the sex thing in Days Gone. The White biker thing. The other stuff no I dont recall.

Dude who gives a fuck about the gaming press. Let them burn

I never said anything about orange man but Americans seem to be getting this the worst , and behaving like lunatics accordingly (on both sides of the fence). Its fucking exhausting and retarded

 

[StueyDuck]

100% just look at whats been happening around the globe in the oast 2-3 years, without naming anything.

In ACS case specifically, the hatred build up has been more of a slow burn (thats the case for me anyways). I still remember when they had announced that they'll never be an assassin's creed in Japan, disappointing millions of fans across the world at the height on AC's popularity. Then when they saw the tremendous success of Tsushima they quickly changed their word for tgat cash cow.
But instead of copying an already established formula (The only thing that Ubi are good at), they deliberately chose a controversial protagonist to take a political stance; if you don't agree with this you're either being intellectually dishonest or its beyond your cognitive abilities.
I'm not Japanese and I don't put them a pedestal that some people seem to do, but it was a right (yes, I know what I said) of the Japanese people/Japan lovers to get a protagonist from the same country as the setting, just like every previous title has had. It stinks and I empathize because I know I'd feel a way about it too if they were to do the same thing for my country/setting.
Also Ubi don't help themselves by being hyper incompetent and inconsistent in their marketing and research, not to mention their bad monetization practices and tendency to get mixed into scandals has eroded any sympathy or goodwill many had for them.
So yes, I for one see them as a laughing stock, I'm not buying another assassin's creed game for like atleast a decade (After having bought every installment except Valhalla and Liberation), and I think their downfall is well deserved and ultimately a good thing for the industry.

There's also just general Schradenfreude that most people are enjoying because the people who have been so mental the past few years are getting some of that medicine thrown back at them.

most of us would agree that an optional relationship choice in AC shadows is pretty inconsequential, at least those who aren't from Japan.

Doesn't mean i don't get a bit of a laugh out of people giving Ubi shit though

 

[StueyDuck]

The only thing that was even in the radar was the sex thing in Days Gone. The White biker thing. The other stuff no I dont recall.

Dude who gives a fuck about the gaming press. Let them burn

I never said anything about orange man but Americans seem to be getting this the worst , and behaving like lunatics accordingly (on both sides of the fence). Its fucking exhausting and retarded

that still doesn't change the fact that people are reacting the way they are because of things that happened prior.

 

[Schmendrick]

people clamoring about AC:Shadows" being "disrespectful" to culture xy because of some destructible shrines or optional bi/gay romance options(which have been in games since the 90s)....in a game series where you could literally bitchslap the pope in the past......
This grifter war for maximum social media fame is making people dumber by the minute,

 

[StueyDuck]

people clamoring about AC:Shadows" being "disrespectful" to culture xy because of some destructible shrines or optional bi/gay romance options(which have been in games since the 90s)....in a game series where you could literally bitchslap the pope in the past......
This grifter war for maximum social media fame is making people dumber by the minute,

The issue is That Ubisoft came out of the gate being like "here's Yasuke, he's totally real and we doing real stuff now, historical stuff"

if it had just been two random Japanese characters like all the prior games none of this would of ever happened. It's essentially bad decisions made by people who shouldn't be making them.

 

[MMaRsu]

that still doesn't change the fact that people are reacting the way they are because of things that happened prior.

Nah, they are reacting because they are grasping at anything that they can twist into their narrative and score points for 'their' side.

 

[FewRope]

people clamoring about AC:Shadows" being "disrespectful" to culture xy because of some destructible shrines or optional bi/gay romance options(which have been in games since the 90s)....in a game series where you could literally bitchslap the pope in the past......
This grifter war for maximum social media fame is making people dumber by the minute,

Not only you beat the pope in the Sistine Chapel, the whole Borgia family (an actual real family btw) is depicted as pedophiles, rapist and incestous bastard, they probably were like that in real life but in Brotherhood they are disgusting. There was not backlash at the time and as an spaniard I couldnt give more than a fuck about that.

But no, not our precious Japan!

 

[StueyDuck]

Nah, they are reacting because they are grasping at anything that they can twist into their narrative and score points for 'their' side.

and you think this just magically happened? They all ate some bad chicken and now they are all anti-woke?

 

[ManaByte]

It may be silly to get upset at an optional relationship choice

It is silly because these shitheads DELIBERATELY turned OFF "Canon" mode to activate the relationship choices and then DELIBERATELY pursued gay relationships in their playthrough and then put on an outrage act for engagement. They're lying grifters and too many people, including people who post here, are blindly brainwashed by them.

 

[MMaRsu]

and you think this just magically happened? They all ate some bad chicken and now they are all anti-woke?

Regardless of how it happened, the end result is the same
Both moronic camps fighting eachother over a fucking optional gay cutscene

Give me a damn break man.

 

[StueyDuck]

It is silly because these shitheads DELIBERATELY turned OFF "Canon" mode to activate the relationship choices and then DELIBERATELY pursued gay relationships in their playthrough and then put on an outrage act for engagement. They're lying grifters and too many people, including people who post here, are blindly brainwashed by them.

the point isn't about the choice though, the whole conversation is how we got to this point where people are turning off Canon mode to make upset tweets about optional choices.

like if we didn't have years of the reverse behaviour then this behaviour wouldn't occur (just like it never did before).

 

[MMaRsu]

the point isn't about the choice though, the whole conversation is how we got to this point where people are turning off Canon mode to make upset tweets about optional choices.

like if we didn't have years of the reverse behaviour then this behaviour wouldn't occur (just like it never did before).

They did it first so now its our turn!

 

[RafterXL]

just because it's an overreaction doesn't mean it has no reason.

things occur for a reason, can you not parse that information?

you can't think for one second that you wouldn't have this hate machine getting started up if it wasn't a counter-reaction to what previously existed and that original hate machine.

You don't remember Days Gone being dragged through the mud because of a dumb stupid sex joke between a straight couple? you don't remember Spider-man being scolded because he was evil enough to "work with the police", You don't remember Horizon Zero Dawn being called racist because one of the tens of outfits had a feather in it, and only native Americans are allowed to have feathers in their headdresses. You don't remember Ghost of Tsushima being labelled as propagandist material for imperial Japan....

The point being is that all you are seeing is the exact same counter-reaction to what came before. It may be silly to get upset at an optional relationship choice, but that doesn't mean it just came out of nowhere purely because orange man is president which I assume is the underlying sentiment.

The funny part about that is, the bolded doesn't happen without everything we are trying to explain happening first. Years and years of shit eating caused this. And yes, it's an overcorrection, but anyone who thought this was going to go one way forever is delusional. This is what happens when you push people enough, and it's not a gaming thing, it's a human thing, it's happened before and will happen again.

In the grand scheme of things, a same sex romance in an Assassin's Creed game is a stupid thing to get upset about, but if you pull the camera back and see the bigger picture of what's been going on, it's clear as day why it's happening. Like it or not, this is the result of a thousand cuts over the last 10-15 years and eventually people get fed up.

In a sane world this would simmer down and we'd go back to normal, but the world isn't sane and the people who started this shit are only getting worse. So people can get upset about it all they want, but this is the world we live in and it didn't just get this way because one day some Nazi woke up and decided they didn't want gay people in their games. Anyone who believes that has zero capacity for second-order thinking.

 

[ManaByte]

how we got to this point where people are turning off Canon mode to make upset tweets about optional choices.

I can tell you how we got to this point.

YouTube monetizes videos. Angry clickbait performance outrage gets engagement.

X Premium gives subscribers a payout if they reach a certain criteria. They only need 5M impressions over a three-month span (not hard to do), a certain number of verified followers, etc.

We got to this point because people are being paid for their outrage engagement, even if it's complete bullshit and disningenious.

 

[StueyDuck]

Regardless of how it happened, the end result is the same
Both moronic camps fighting eachother over a fucking optional gay cutscene

Give me a damn break man.

you seem to be unwilling to say or entertain the idea, that even though this outrage may be silly, it's a response to something that came before.

That's all me or RafterXL or anyone else is saying.

If I see a kid kicking a leopard then the leopard turns around and bites his face off i'd at least understand the series of events that led up to that moment.

 

[R3TRO]

Another grifter account…

 

[MMaRsu]

you seem to be unwilling to say or entertain the idea, that even though this outrage may be silly, it's a response to something that came before.

Dude why does that even matter?

Jesus Christ. As if that makes this better? The people championing these false narratives are actually retarded and know damn well what they are doing.

Instead of being the better man, nah we gotta fight fire with fire.

 

[StueyDuck]

I can tell you how we got to this point.

YouTube monetizes videos. Angry clickbait performance outrage gets engagement.

X Premium gives subscribers a payout if they reach a certain criteria. They only need 5M impressions over a three-month span (not hard to do), a certain number of verified followers, etc.

We got to this point because people are being paid for their outrage engagement, even if it's complete bullshit and disningenious.

Those things existed prior too.

Besides X payouts

and we had the same ridiculous outrages.

If hogwarts legacy had released just a few years earlier it would have been slaughtered online. The tides were changing already by that point, but never forget they made an actual website to stalk and attack people who just streamed the game... Because of something that had absolutely nothing to do with the game even. something the author of the books said that wasn't really all that controversial to begin with anyway.

 

[RafterXL]

I can tell you how we got to this point.

YouTube monetizes videos. Angry clickbait performance outrage gets engagement.

X Premium gives subscribers a payout if they reach a certain criteria. They only need 5M impressions over a three-month span (not hard to do), a certain number of verified followers, etc.

We got to this point because people are being paid for their outrage engagement, even if it's complete bullshit and disningenious.

This is what I'm talking about, people who lack the ability of second-order thinking.

You think these people just spawned out of nowhere, do you? Hilarious.

 

[StueyDuck]

Dude why does that even matter?

Jesus Christ. As if that makes this better? The people championing these false narratives are actually retarded and know damn well what they are doing.

Instead of being the better man, nah we gotta fight fire with fire.

because how can you understand, change or fix anything if you aren't really willing to learn why it happened to begin with.

 

[Toots]

I remember at the very beginning of Odyssey you can fuck some old and ugly blacksmith. I stupidly accepted his proposition and had to live knowing my character screwed a 2/10...
i could have refused the proposition and nothing would have changed really apart for an optional cutscene and the shame i felt.

At this point people are trying to actively put themselves in a bad situation so they can tell everyone how much of a victim they are.
As Tyler the Creator said "Nigga Just Walk Away From The Screen Like Nigga Close Your Eyes Haha".

At the same time i wish the anti-woke campaign against the game works because i want to buy the definitive edition under 30$ ASAP.

 

[MMaRsu]

because how can you understand, change or fix anything if you aren't really to learn why it happened to begin with.

I totally understand how we got to this point.

That understanding isnt gonna change a damn thing.

The camps are super divided, and shit like this only divided people even further. Its fucking pathetic.

 

[StueyDuck]

I totally understand how we got to this point.

That understanding isnt gonna change a damn thing.

The camps are super divided, and shit like this only divided people even further. Its fucking pathetic.

Exactly, so let em duke it out.

Like most battles in history it's probably gonna come to a stalemate and they'll come to an understanding and we'll probably land in a situation where everyone is happy.

 

[MMaRsu]

Exactly, so let em duke it out.

Like most battles in history it's probably gonna come to a stalemate and they'll come to an understanding and we'll probably land in a situation where everyone is happy.

I hope so. Because right now its a retarded shitshow on both sides of you ask me. The extremists are insane

 

[ValiantInstance]

Its a huge over reaction from not only your side but the general populace as well.

I hate all the woke shit, like I said.

Forced shit to gain virtue on political agenda

But this has nothing to do with an optional gay romance which games have had for years.

Nazi's are shitheads so fuck those guys, I dont care about USA politics so I wont get into it. Politics are also forbidden on gaf.

But the entire left vs right bullshit has divided more and more people instead of bringing folks together for our shared love of lets say gaming.

On every fucking release you have this hate machine getting started up just to get the most clicks

South of Midnight will be their next target.

If they keep making games that appeal to invisible audiences, then yes it will keep happening.

Let's make it simple. If games were developed to appeal to the vast majority of their audience, every protagonist would be a white man, and every love interest in those games would be an attractive woman with giant tits.

The widespread push to appeal to anyone but this demographic is social justice.

That's not to say I couldn't enjoy a game with a black or female lead. Tomb Raider is the perfect example. But watch the last Summer Game Fest and do a tally of how many games the above applies to, versus the opposite. You can add South of Midnight to the tally for against.

 

[00_Zer0]

Don't care about the dudes, I'm just here for the waifu.

 

[Pandawan]

Don't care about the dudes, I'm just here for the waifu.

She has smaller boobs than fat men and her ass is flat as an ironing board.

 

[Skifi28]

She has smaller boobs than fat men and her ass is flat as an ironing board.

Stop trying to make it better, I'm already sold.

 

[RafterXL]

She has smaller boobs than fat men and her ass is flat as an ironing board.

At least she doesn't have chest surgery scars.

 

[ManaByte]

Twitter grifter: "NOBUNAGA WAS A MEGA CHUD WITH A MASSIVE DICK WHO FUCKED ALL THE HOT LADIES"

Professor of JPN studies: "Uh, he liked to fuck little boys"

 

[FewRope]

Twitter grifter: "NOBUNAGA WAS A MEGA CHUD WITH A MASSIVE DICK WHO FUCKED ALL THE HOT LADIES"

Professor of JPN studies: "Uh, he liked to fuck little boys"

Wait until they learn about greek philosophers

 

[Boss Mog]

I wonder if someday a game dev will have the balls to say: "not everybody needs to be included every time".

 

[Braag]

Ubisoft adding a non binary gay dude to a 16th century feudal Japan is super amusing to me, feels even more out of place than in Veilguard.
The love interests are probably just as bare bones and boring as they were in Odyssey and Valhalla, so it's all whatever I guess.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

You need to learn what optional means I think. Man you're fucked

Not really, clownshow

 

[adamsapple]

Twitter grifter: "NOBUNAGA WAS A MEGA CHUD WITH A MASSIVE DICK WHO FUCKED ALL THE HOT LADIES"

Professor of JPN studies: "Uh, he liked to fuck little boys"

I, personally, prefer the anime-waifu Nobunaga the best.

 

[Pedro Motta]

This happened in Mass Effect, no one complained then. The world is fucked lol.

 

[MMaRsu]

If they keep making games that appeal to invisible audiences, then yes it will keep happening.

Let's make it simple. If games were developed to appeal to the vast majority of their audience, every protagonist would be a white man, and every love interest in those games would be an attractive woman with giant tits.

The widespread push to appeal to anyone but this demographic is social justice.

That's not to say I couldn't enjoy a game with a black or female lead. Tomb Raider is the perfect example. But watch the last Summer Game Fest and do a tally of how many games the above applies to, versus the opposite. You can add South of Midnight to the tally for against.

I dont think so.

Ubisoft are just cowards. They don't want to commit to a single thing. Which is why every AC RPG has had a male and female protag except Origins for instance.

They dont want to go straight only, and they dont want to go gay only. They dont want to go woman only, they dont want to go man only.

 

[San Dan Glokta]

Oi you jolted the little guy awake with this screenshot. You gotta warn us about these things.

 

[MMaRsu]

Not really, clownshow

Were you going this mad when AC Odyssey had a optional gay romance?



Or when Shepard fucked Kaiden?

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

Were you going this mad when AC Odyssey had a optional gay romance?



Or when Shepard fucked Kaiden?

Honestly, mad isnt the word, but yes. I just dont think it's necessary, but i feel that way about romance in games in general. 95% of the time it adds nothing to the game and is implemented awkwardly.

But anyways, i've been misquoted enough in this thread by many. Ive never once said i was mad, or never once tried to tell anyone not to buy this game or any game for any reason. Just was throwing my opinion into the fold like everyone else does. Also my sense of humor is sometimes interpreted as me attacking others, but im really not. People should buy what they want and at the end of the day dollars speak volumes. It did with Concord, it did with Veilguard, and i feel it will with this also.

 

[MMaRsu]

Honestly, mad isnt the word, but yes. I just dont think it's necessary, but i feel that way about romance in games in general. 95% of the time it adds nothing to the game and is implemented awkwardly.

But anyways, i've been misquoted enough in this thread by many. Ive never once said i was mad, or never once tried to tell anyone not to buy this game or any game for any reason. Just was throwing my opinion into the fold like everyone else does.

Well it's an RPG. It's optional. You don't need to engage with any of it.

But the option is there, because it's an rpg and they offer options.

Options are good.

You can totally ignore any of that stuff, in those games, and in this game. So to be 'upset' about it, let's not say mad, is just silly.

 

[ManaByte]

It's amusing to see how many ultra mega macho dudes on X are turning off Canon mode and playing hours upon hours into the game just to act out their gay fantasies.

 

[Spukc]

I love me some ninja bussy

 

[chromhound]

Close the company already

 

[Spukc]

Close the company already

Soon calm down