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AusPoliGaf |Early 2016 Election| - the government's term has been... Shortened
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Elaugaufein
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I figure if we're having this stupid survey something good should at least come from it.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-...nal-electorates-may-be-ignored-by-mps/8941410
SSM: Electorates with lowest support for same-sex marriage may be ignored by MPs despite postal survey
As someone in one of those electorates this makes me mad.
SSM: Electorates with lowest support for same-sex marriage may be ignored by MPs despite postal survey
As someone in one of those electorates this makes me mad.
bobnowhere
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Warringah is one of the highest supporters. Must really piss off Tones.
Nick says he won't support the ABC 'reforms' bill ONP wants in return but Nick has been known to sell anyone out for a buck to one of his pet causes.
Also if we had a Federal ICAC, Stuart Robert would be in prison by now. Guy is a deadset crook.
You oppose ssm? Tough.
What?
The article link is saying there are electorates where the Yes vote polls under 50% but the MP is going to vote for any SSM bill anyway.
Since that sort of counteracts electorates like Abbott's where the Yes vote has the clear majority yet the MP will not voting against.
So the assumption is you'd only be unhappy with that if you're against SSM.
Elaugaufein
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It's more that the Liberals never set out what they were using the survey for
because the real reason is a delay / red meat thing and also because they want to cherry pick personal / electorate / state / federal results to vote as they wish with minimal consequences. Which means that people voting against their electorate based on the national result still makes sense (particularly a high threshold one).
because the real reason is a delay / red meat thing and also because they want to cherry pick personal / electorate / state / federal results to vote as they wish with minimal consequences. Which means that people voting against their electorate based on the national result still makes sense (particularly a high threshold one).
Exactly.
Spectone, please read the article you link to and clarify your comment if you have an issue with my response.
I'm pretty sure the chart in the article implies that in my electorate Groom my MP will vote no regardless of what the electorate says.
Elaugaufein
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I'm in Teneriffe and we haven't yet either.
I haven't updated my psychic firmware so it wasn't clear that's why you were angry at your MP.
Maybe.
bobnowhere
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They are mailing them in batches all the way up to the 25th, so might be a while yet.
Aarglefarg
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If you look back at your first post on this, the reason it was interpreted otherwise should become clear.
Yeah. Just what we want even more concentration of media in this country. Now I half expect Murdoch to get his hands on 10 and Nine and Fairfax to merge as a starter.
In exchange we get Xenophons Enquiry into google and Facebook and the lnp working with Hanson on the abc witchhunt.
toddhunter
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I can see the result now.
"The majority of Australian's placed a cross in the yes box, clearly indicating that they are saying no to saying yes."
See, it was never about anything other than their backward religious views. That's the only thing the No campaign has ever said that had anything to do with the poll question.
All the other crap about kids being forced to learn how to be gay had nothing to do with it, they know that people who aren't batshit religious nutters won't care about what they have to say about it being against their religion but have the potential to be swayed by that sort of scaremongering.
But yeah nah, if they want that privilege, they should be working for the church, not as a civil servant. Churches shouldn't have had that privilege to begin with.
From the Australian
That is incorrect. The Yes campaign have not been conflating the issue with other matters. Rather, that has been the strategy of opponents of Marriage Equality, who have been more than happy to hijack the issue. The agenda described by Peter Dutton exists only in his imagination. This mindset is quite telling about how opponents to SSM perceive the issue - as an assault on their conservative Christian world view. For some of them, the issues of Safe Schools, transgender matters, gay marriage, polygamy, are all the same thing. The Yes camp have been much clearer and focused with their message.
I'm still nervous the survey will be 'fiddled with' like Howard did with the Republic referendum, but from the articles I'm seeing in the Australia, it looks like they're trying to form a position that makes it feel like they've got the moral high ground in the face of a campaign they will probably lose. See for example Paul Kelly and John Howards new angle about protecting Religious Freedoms. Again, for them this is not about affording equal rights to loving partners, but a reduced role for religion in the modern day. Whenever I hear 'Religious Freedom' all I hear is an excuse to privately discriminate.
There also hasn't been an attack on freedom of speech. Everyone has been able to speak their mind, it's just that one line of argument sounds much more discriminatory and exclusive when exposed to the harsh light of day.
That is incorrect. The Yes campaign have not been conflating the issue with other matters. Rather, that has been the strategy of opponents of Marriage Equality, who have been more than happy to hijack the issue. The agenda described by Peter Dutton exists only in his imagination. This mindset is quite telling about how opponents to SSM perceive the issue - as an assault on their conservative Christian world view. For some of them, the issues of Safe Schools, transgender matters, gay marriage, polygamy, are all the same thing. The Yes camp have been much clearer and focused with their message.
I'm still nervous the survey will be 'fiddled with' like Howard did with the Republic referendum, but from the articles I'm seeing in the Australia, it looks like they're trying to form a position that makes it feel like they've got the moral high ground in the face of a campaign they will probably lose. See for example Paul Kelly and John Howards new angle about protecting Religious Freedoms. Again, for them this is not about affording equal rights to loving partners, but a reduced role for religion in the modern day. Whenever I hear 'Religious Freedom' all I hear is an excuse to privately discriminate.
There also hasn't been an attack on freedom of speech. Everyone has been able to speak their mind, it's just that one line of argument sounds much more discriminatory and exclusive when exposed to the harsh light of day.
Of course I'd hope no matter what Labor would stick to its policy and push legislation if required once returned to government.
roosters93
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Can't read the article but perhaps he could be talking about the recent release of Benjamin Law's Quarterly Essay on safe schools. No doubt though the conflation was started by the no proponents and the only reason Law's essay is getting the publicity it is, is because the same people are attacking it too.
bobnowhere
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Dutton is also offering 25k, if they ever see it, to Rohingya refugees on Manus to go home. Just when you think he can't sink any lower...
This is where I'm at.
Elaugaufein
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Oh Re: surveys. Mine arrived today (Teneriffe, Brisbane) but my housemate's didn't.
Got my survey, now that i live in NZ but can still vote for it. For overseas voters they get a website & code to go to, which seems like a way better idea than having to post stuff back.
Dumb thing: the website's not up at the moment, you can't submit until the 25th of September, so i got the postal vote but i can't submit for another week or so. Real dumb.
Dumb thing: the website's not up at the moment, you can't submit until the 25th of September, so i got the postal vote but i can't submit for another week or so. Real dumb.
viciouskillersquirrel
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I've been engaged in a very long back and forth debate with my Mum over Facebook regarding the survey.
"Because God said so" is not a valid argument.
"Because God said so" is not a valid argument.
George Christensen alerts Human Rights Commission to 'vote no' sacked worker
http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/progr...o-vote-no-sacked-worker/8964552?sf115501366=1
I'll admit that does bother me.
http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/progr...o-vote-no-sacked-worker/8964552?sf115501366=1
I'll admit that does bother me.
bobnowhere
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Betcha George is fully supportive of Christian schools that take public funds sacking teachers/staff that come out as gay. The minority religious lot that demand religious protections are sure hesitant to provide the rest of us with anti-religious protections. Shocked I am not.
Obviously.
Still I'd hate to see this lead to a war of mass sackings because you happen to be on the wrong side compared to business owners. I guess more reason to not publicly state any political opinions in this climate.
shinra-bansho
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Non-sequitur: I do not understand how Tony Abbott is still a thing.
Aarglefarg
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To get this equality campaign ad back on TV....: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WihtdI9DgNo&feature=youtu.be
...people can donate here: https://chuffed.org/project/voteyes#/story
...people can donate here: https://chuffed.org/project/voteyes#/story
Elaugaufein
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He's not really. Not Tony Abbott as a person anyway. He's more of a totem that those unhappy with Turnbull'd leadership because Turnbull is a "left-winger" (he's actually a cookie cutter pro-business sorta social liberal) and willing to take advantage of Turnbull's weak political position (he can't afford to have more than 2 - 3 defectors at best ) to hold off what they see as the dangerous leftward March of the enviro-rainbow fascists. Turnbull has mostly responded by folding like a portable chair.
Abbott's relative unimportance as an actual person is shown by this whole marriage equality survey where Lyle Shelton (mostly a nobody) is getting way more attention.
i really like the first person POV one, that's my fave. I'd love to see that one on the air again.
not that i watch TV
Aarglefarg
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I'm guessing that this one would be more effective for 'undecided's at this point.
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/09/17/yes-marriage-unites-sa-politicians
First decent thing I've heard the grub say.
First decent thing I've heard the grub say.
Chuck Norris
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God reading Facebook is so rage inducing these days. What is wrong with people?
On the plus side, I've weeded some people out of my friends list
On the plus side, I've weeded some people out of my friends list
Candescence
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Is Tony convinced that climate denialism is still an election-winning position? I'm pretty sure the "AXE THE TAX" fear-mongering has lost its influence after everyone realized that axing the carbon tax didn't help energy prices one bit.
He is a darling of opinion columns in the Australian and Sydney based talk back radio.
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