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It probably isn't worse, people are just more tired of it all now, then they were then.
Captain America: Brave New World | Official Trailer
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Tiago Rodrigues
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I enjoyed the fact that big ass head that showed up on Eternals has been finally mentioned. And seems like the plot is moving forward quite a bit? Avengers being assembled again, finally some closure for the Hulk movie after lik 15 years...etc.
It seems to me this movie was written during that uncertain period for the MCU though and they didn't advance too much of the plot because maybe they weren't sure where to go after Kang flopped and all that. It's a movie that played it too safe. I think that's a better way to describe it.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
I was thinking about something.
Around the time when Marvel Studios would've started planning the transition into this mantle-swap-happy ANAD stuff, there was a lot of support through the press (obviously), discussion forums, Reddit, Twitter, YT, etc all in favor for it. In retrospect, it seems very astroturfed and artificial. Because as these movies are coming out and failing, all of that big talk has gone hush and even flipped in spaces where it was heavily supported.
I especially remember the endless debates about Jane Foster Thor. Donald Blake this, Beta Ray Bill that, on and on and on. It wasn't a piping hot debate because Carol Danvers Ms. Marvel wasn't hugely popular in the first place, but it was similar for Kamala Khan Ms. Marvel. Ofc, Marvel Comics and the activist media were doing everything they could to pretend like these were the biggest smash hits since Spidey - but much of the narrative-bending support fell out from under it when The Avengers game flopped and even before the Ms. Marvel D+ series bombed. I also noticed a lot less in the way of campaigning in support for Falcon Cap by the end of FAWS.
Obviously a large part of this is just natural vibe shift because of a string of shite movies and TV shows; but this stuff was cratering comic sales as early as 2014. Why was there so much zealous support for it in the first place if not for marketing dollars being used to astroturf/feign audience support? I'm probably not saying anything groundbreaking, but I haven't seen it put forward elsewhere.
Around the time when Marvel Studios would've started planning the transition into this mantle-swap-happy ANAD stuff, there was a lot of support through the press (obviously), discussion forums, Reddit, Twitter, YT, etc all in favor for it. In retrospect, it seems very astroturfed and artificial. Because as these movies are coming out and failing, all of that big talk has gone hush and even flipped in spaces where it was heavily supported.
I especially remember the endless debates about Jane Foster Thor. Donald Blake this, Beta Ray Bill that, on and on and on. It wasn't a piping hot debate because Carol Danvers Ms. Marvel wasn't hugely popular in the first place, but it was similar for Kamala Khan Ms. Marvel. Ofc, Marvel Comics and the activist media were doing everything they could to pretend like these were the biggest smash hits since Spidey - but much of the narrative-bending support fell out from under it when The Avengers game flopped and even before the Ms. Marvel D+ series bombed. I also noticed a lot less in the way of campaigning in support for Falcon Cap by the end of FAWS.
Obviously a large part of this is just natural vibe shift because of a string of shite movies and TV shows; but this stuff was cratering comic sales as early as 2014. Why was there so much zealous support for it in the first place if not for marketing dollars being used to astroturf/feign audience support? I'm probably not saying anything groundbreaking, but I haven't seen it put forward elsewhere.
Revolutionary
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I don't think it'd be much of a problem if the show was good. The problem is that the show sucks and is mostly a waste of time designed to keep suckers subbed to Disney+ as long as possible.
The Penguin will probably be considered required viewing for The Batman 2, but it's not as big of an ask because The Penguin is actually a good TV show.
TransTrender
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Does anyone know what was changed for the China release of this film?
It's funny enough to make USA and Japan to head to head instead of something more logical, but I also wonder how they handled any dialogue changes or face hiding because the main character is black.
It's funny enough to make USA and Japan to head to head instead of something more logical, but I also wonder how they handled any dialogue changes or face hiding because the main character is black.
Not sure they changed anything, and if they did, it didn't help.
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I dunno why the west keeps chasing this Chinese box office, it never seems to perform well for them.
Though the Ne Zhan 2 film seems to be CRUSHING IT over there so may e it's mostly just bad timing?
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Nah man Spider-Man is Marvel most boring character, I would rather it be Doctor Strange
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
The former widow vouched for them JUST BEFORE the soldiers got mind controlled and tried to kill them all. Your theater must have skipped the rest of that scene
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Cherry Blossom CG battle looks rough.
Yeah, but there are a lot of silly shenanigans in the film.
"Hey, the bad guy uses cell phones to trigger his puppets!"
"Ok, let's keep using them, and make sure one is near the president AT ALL TIMES!"
and "Hey, I think this song is somehow connected"
"Ok, let's play it! Hmmm, no one acted strange, I guess we are all ok, even though we know fuck all about how this mind control works!"
Sure, you gonna just move forward with the plot sometimes, but you can't deny that the mechanics of The Leaders manipulations are CLUNKY at best. For a "tense, intricate, spy thriller" this is not a good thing. There is very little rhyme or reason behind it, there is virtually no tension created by it, no suspicion about people, conflict between characters, just a "whelp, guess he got mind controlled 'cause the bad guy got a brain scan of him or whatever, let's move on" attitude. This is excusable if the rest of the film is exceptional, but when it is not then these issues get magnified.
Revolutionary
Member
Theater ceiling collapsed during a screening of the movie but only two people were in attendance so no injuries
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Alx
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4DX is going too far...
Mattyp
Not the YouTuber
Let me start by saying this was the first movie I’ve seen in a cinema in 10+ years ever since I’ve had one at home.
Let my second point be the last ‘super hero’ movie I watched was Logan.
I had 4 hours to waste while Tesla replaced a windscreen, service centre is next to shopping centre cbf shopping somewhere so for 2 hours and the only movie on at midday how bad can it be? $37 later.
Absolute fucking slop, if I didn’t have to wait on the car I would have walked out within 45 minutes. I have no idea how anyone consumes this media, there was only 2 other people in attendance both also there by themselves so may have also been in the same situation.
I knew marvel was bad but I didn’t realise it was that bad, nothing redeemable at all.
Let my second point be the last ‘super hero’ movie I watched was Logan.
I had 4 hours to waste while Tesla replaced a windscreen, service centre is next to shopping centre cbf shopping somewhere so for 2 hours and the only movie on at midday how bad can it be? $37 later.
Absolute fucking slop, if I didn’t have to wait on the car I would have walked out within 45 minutes. I have no idea how anyone consumes this media, there was only 2 other people in attendance both also there by themselves so may have also been in the same situation.
I knew marvel was bad but I didn’t realise it was that bad, nothing redeemable at all.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
Theater ceiling collapsed during a screening of the movie but only two people were in attendance so no injuries
I can't watch any of the Venom films. Between Hardy's "acting" and that obnoxious venom voice over, they are actively bad, not just mediocre (IMHO).
StreetsofBeige
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I’m no regular superhero movie watcher, but if marvel can’t even get a captain America movie right (when the past one’s got good reviews) something is wrong.
Then again maybe if I see this in my streaming box one day I’ll watch it and like it. Black Adam got got grilled, but didn’t think it was too bad. It’s the same rock like in every other movie he’s been in but I thought it was ok.
Just got off the movie, please tell me again why is this movie so horrible??
A lot of people tend to forget how average the first marvel movies were until the first avengers movie came out.
Not saying its a mindblown movie but its not as horrible as people and reviwes are saying.
A lot of moving parts in the mcu universe and thank god someone finally mentioned the celestial from eternals.
Also the red hulk vs cap fight is not bad at all. Cap is clearly getting his ass whoop the entire time like it is suppose to.
Waiting for the post credit scene...
A lot of people tend to forget how average the first marvel movies were until the first avengers movie came out.
Not saying its a mindblown movie but its not as horrible as people and reviwes are saying.
A lot of moving parts in the mcu universe and thank god someone finally mentioned the celestial from eternals.
Also the red hulk vs cap fight is not bad at all. Cap is clearly getting his ass whoop the entire time like it is suppose to.
Waiting for the post credit scene...
love the end scene with the leader clearly hitting at another universes coming in and doom coming. Thats how u keep people interested. Now u know someone is coming to start shit up against earth
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At the rate it is earning, it MIGHT, and that's a slim MIGHT, beat Captain America First Avenger's domestic and internation runs. From 2011!
Even if the 180mill budget was soup to nuts the entire thing, once you throw in marketing it's ~370 mill global BO isn't a profit, no way. Even with the larger shares Disney often takes from opening weekends, it ain't gonna help. Thunderbolts in 2 months is likely to be another kick in the shorts unless DD on D+ can really drum up interest.
Even if the 180mill budget was soup to nuts the entire thing, once you throw in marketing it's ~370 mill global BO isn't a profit, no way. Even with the larger shares Disney often takes from opening weekends, it ain't gonna help. Thunderbolts in 2 months is likely to be another kick in the shorts unless DD on D+ can really drum up interest.
Saber
Newd Member
Already explained alot in this thread. You agreeing or disagreeing is up to you, but I don't think you make your case any better feign ignorance. You ain't the first, already happened with The Marvels, Indianna Jones and even Velma(though this one has nothing to do with Disney), aways a random person comes and says that. Nothing wrong with liking the movie though, but seems like a case of putting expectations low. I usually put my expectations high, just because there were bad movies long ago doesn't mean I certainly will be ok with that.
TDiddyLive
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Don’t try gaslighting with this bullshit. Only Hulk was average. Iron Man 2 was above average. The first Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America were all great.
no they werent. specially iron man 2 with whiplash as a terrible villain. only good thing about iron man 2 was the introduction of black widow , eveything else is very forgettable.
Thor was an average movie and it didnt got very good reviews.
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StreetsofBeige
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Currently at about $350M total global box. Fizzling out fast. Maybe it hits $400M and call it a day.
This movie will do roughly around the same as the first movie in 2011.
This movie will do roughly around the same as the first movie in 2011.
Alcibiades
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1. Not a horrible movie, but I think people aren't as easily enamored with comic book action movies anywhere. This is coming out at a time where there are a handful of high budget comic action movies coming out every year. Sometimes 4 from a single studio in a single year, plus tons of TV shows. The market is flooded.
2. First two MCU movies I saw were Captain America 1 and Thor 1 in theaters. I remember enjoying them quite a bit, although I haven't seen them since. One thing that sticks out compared to Captain America 4 is that they were pretty easy-to-follow, self-contained stories (or at least they seemed that way to me). Cap 4 is intertwined with other MCU properties, and I don't think Mackie had the same presence that the leads in earlier films do (I partially blame the writers).
3. Agree it's not really that bad, but an average movie after a 10+ years of oversaturation plays differently than an average movie back then.
4. The moving parts is probably turning off some audiences since there doesn't seem to be a cohesive build-up in the background. Not my complaint but the reaction I've seen to post-Endgame MCU movies is people are wondering where things are headed (the rings, the celestials, the multiverse, the kangs, etc...).
My main complaint is that I was able to enjoy MCU past movies without even knowing about the whole infinity stone build-up. I enjoyed, in this order and in theaters the following: Thor 1, Cap 1, Guardians 1, Ant-Man 1, Cap 3 (a bit confusing since I was unfamiliar with most of the character but still enjoyable), Dr. Strange 1, Guardians 2, Spidey 1, and Black Panther 1. I had no idea about the infinity stone thing purposely being built up until I started back watching films I missed and started putting two and two together.
Now take someone who has never watched a single MCU property, or has maybe seen a handful of random ones at most, and show them Cap 4. Even me as someone that's watched a lot of the properties, I feel the moving parts connections do more to detract than help the film.
I think all the Thor films are mediocre, Ragnarok being the best of the bunch but that's a low bar. About the only value of these films is just how much charm Hemsworth and Hiddleston bring. But as a cohesive story with an understandable and relatable narrative, it's dodgy and the wioldbuilding of how asgard actually works is atrocious. Throwing on other gods of earth in a big arena is even worse.
The iron man films have a legit good entry with IM, IM2 is actually pretty good with the effects and fights, it just starts becoming the Stark family is responsible for EVERYTHING bit that drags it. IM3 is not great but at least it has some flair.
All the capA films are awesome, barring BNW.
So even if they were given mid reviews, they all boosted the signal and by avengers1 it was fever pitch, then off to races after that where even trash mcu films like cpt marvel or thor2 were doing gangbusters.
What we are seeing now is that the wave has past and mid to trash films are doing.mid to trash Box office. If thunderbolts lands in the mid 300 mill range for global BO then the MCU will be in full panic mode and I'd expect to see RDJ all over the F4 trailers and posters to try to boost that one. F4 has never been a really hot film property so unless they can show some outstanding action scenes I don't think it's gonna hit hard either. But RDJ making people think he's back as Tony would drive interest for sure.
The iron man films have a legit good entry with IM, IM2 is actually pretty good with the effects and fights, it just starts becoming the Stark family is responsible for EVERYTHING bit that drags it. IM3 is not great but at least it has some flair.
All the capA films are awesome, barring BNW.
So even if they were given mid reviews, they all boosted the signal and by avengers1 it was fever pitch, then off to races after that where even trash mcu films like cpt marvel or thor2 were doing gangbusters.
What we are seeing now is that the wave has past and mid to trash films are doing.mid to trash Box office. If thunderbolts lands in the mid 300 mill range for global BO then the MCU will be in full panic mode and I'd expect to see RDJ all over the F4 trailers and posters to try to boost that one. F4 has never been a really hot film property so unless they can show some outstanding action scenes I don't think it's gonna hit hard either. But RDJ making people think he's back as Tony would drive interest for sure.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Daredevil is interesting; it's not generating all-consuming social media "engagement" according to the accepted pundit class, but I think it'll do bigger numbers than practically anything but WandaVision. All the others were extremely astroturfed. That said, I don't necessarily expect it to be a mega-hit. As popular as people make it out to be, the 3rd season on Netflix didn't do so hot. Even in comics, DD is one of the consistently amongst the most acclaimed titles going at Marvel at any given time, but it's never a top seller.
The Nielsen numbers will be fascinating.
Trogdor1123
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Thunderbolts looks pretty fun actually. It’s also much cheaper to make apparently.
Donald mac Ronald
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Watched this out of curiosity.
It's literally dog shit.
Haven't seen a marvel film since endgame. So don't know anything that happened in-between during all that phase and multiverse shit. No idea what the giant island thing in the Indian ocean is either.
With that said, they just took the plot from winter soldiers/civil war with some guy behind the scenes pulling a few strings crap.
Anthony mackerel spends more time fighting in civilian clothes than in his suit. Without the suit he's just a normal guy with a shield. Most of these fight scenes with him fighting as a normal dude looked awful, like they hired a student to coordinate the fights.
And it just looks stupid him somehow throwing the shield with insane accuracy and super human strength. Some of these shield throws looked way better than Steve Rogers ever did too.
The plot was just so bad and lazy. Some pissed off dude wanted to embarrass the new president, wow.
And as if the governments of France and Japan would fall out and threaten military conflict over the stupid shit that actually happens in this movie lol.
Or that the french and Japanese navies could even threaten just one US carrier group lol. All for some crap pay off to turn a guy red.
Mackerel being a lightweight or his boring character being a guy with wings is actually the less bad thing about this dumpster fire.
It's literally dog shit.
Haven't seen a marvel film since endgame. So don't know anything that happened in-between during all that phase and multiverse shit. No idea what the giant island thing in the Indian ocean is either.
With that said, they just took the plot from winter soldiers/civil war with some guy behind the scenes pulling a few strings crap.
Anthony mackerel spends more time fighting in civilian clothes than in his suit. Without the suit he's just a normal guy with a shield. Most of these fight scenes with him fighting as a normal dude looked awful, like they hired a student to coordinate the fights.
And it just looks stupid him somehow throwing the shield with insane accuracy and super human strength. Some of these shield throws looked way better than Steve Rogers ever did too.
The plot was just so bad and lazy. Some pissed off dude wanted to embarrass the new president, wow.
And as if the governments of France and Japan would fall out and threaten military conflict over the stupid shit that actually happens in this movie lol.
Or that the french and Japanese navies could even threaten just one US carrier group lol. All for some crap pay off to turn a guy red.
Mackerel being a lightweight or his boring character being a guy with wings is actually the less bad thing about this dumpster fire.
StreetsofBeige
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StreetsofBeige
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For people who are super casual superhero movie watchers just looking for a caped guy to kick ass and beat the villain, they probably dont care or know about all this linked universe and infinity stone whatever. I know I dont.
For people who are kind of vested in it, they probably lose interest because if they havent gone full gongshow following every movie (which the movie maker is hoping people do like it's video game MTX or DLC hooking them in forever).
For the hardcore followers who know every story arc and can tell you what happened 5 years ago in movie X and how it relates to movie Z in 2025, they probably love all these connected movies at least at it's foundation of plotlines. Even though a lot of superhero movies can make a ton of money (Batman, Spiderman, Avengers, GOTG all seem reliable), I dont get a sense the avg superhero movie fan are even close to hardcore fans following every movie and interconnected plot.
If there were that many fans totally into these multiuniverse plots, all the movies would make pretty good money. Instead, there's some reliable big money maker characters and a ton of junk that made hardly any.
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Lukaku's First Touch
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I just saw the movie and it was 'ok'. 7/10 max. The little widow protecting the president was the worst character I've seen in a long time in any movie. Annoying , terrible voice , terrible acting and super unbelievable.
Alcibiades
Member
Could be an artistic choice more than anything, either at the individual movie level or studio level if future movies don't have it.
AJUMP23
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Currently at about $350M total global box. Fizzling out fast. Maybe it hits $400M and call it a day.
This movie will do roughly around the same as the first movie in 2011.
I guess you want to see those numbers compared to production and marketing cost. I am sure all of that was much cheaper back when First Avenger came out.
StreetsofBeige
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Currently at $403M and full weekly receipts falling fast. Theatre count dropped too. But the past full week still made over $5M domestic. International does about the same as it's almost 50/50 split. Maybe give it another month and the movie ends around $430M-ish.
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So if you go by the MOST optimistic estimate, that this film did indeed only cost 180 mill, that Disney could command a higher take of the opening weekend (they used to be able to do this, back when the MCU could sell out every theater in the country on opening weekend), AND they ran a cheap 40-50 mill marketing campaign, then Marvel is celebrating a single dollar of PROFIT right now. But I think they are still deep in the expense hole and more importantly, were COUNTING on another 2-300 mill BO AT LEAST to drive interest in Thunderbolts.Currently at $403M and full weekly receipts falling fast. Theatre count dropped too. But the past full week still made over $5M domestic. International does about the same as it's almost 50/50 split. Maybe give it another month and the movie ends around $430M-ish.
Captain America: Brave New World (2025) - Financial Information
Financial analysis of Captain America: Brave New World (2025) including budget, domestic and international box office gross, DVD and Blu-ray sales reports, total earnings and profitability.
Right now I think Marvel is sweating that Avengers budget like mad. My guess is Stewart and McClellan are literally just one scene cameos, probably holding open a portal for a few mutants to escape while Galactus eats their world. If Marvel is smart they will sign Marsden for 4-5 films as Cyclops, as he is about the only one with the charisma to replace Evans and that is his natural role. The audience has spoken, Sam/ Captain Falcon just ISN'T THAT GUY. So Marsden can easily be the bedrock of 'the team' that has to deal with Doom and presumably Galactus, falling along the way to recreate that Endgame emotional weight. Jackman is the most obvious choice but I'd love it for Cyclops to get his day in the sun and not just be Wolverines bitch.
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