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Dating Age |OT$6| Just ask her out already

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Advocatus Diaboli

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smisk said:
Seconding this. To me my pictures look fine, and I've had a friend say she likes them. But I have no idea what most women think.
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They're kind of all different. Just post them here. I mean, without even seeing them, I know that I'm already going to have one of four comments:

1/ Get a better haircut.
2/ Get better clothes, and follow the links in the OP for this (and again: Ashley Weston, motherfuckers).
3/ Go to the gym.
4/ Do something interesting -- that you actually enjoy, so it's not something that's wholly staged -- and take a picture while doing it.

When all else fails, steal a puppy and look away from the camera while adopting a serious expression on your face.

gaiages said:
Thx for the birthday wishes guys/gal :3
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Congratulations on continuing to survive the inexorable march toward death.

<3 you.

Megalosaro said:
Is there a correlation between relationship status and emojis use?

I've been going between some old messages and I've realized something.

Before relationship: No emojis
Relationship: tons and tons of emojis. Even with non-girlfriend people.
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It's not relationship status, but rather a sense of familiarity. For instance, I use random emojis and .gifs with my ex-wife/bff all the time, and we have in-jokes like how the octopus is like the super shrug, and three octopi is exponentially more unsure. Same with my actual bff. And, oh yeah, the girl who's slowly anchoring me down - my first text to her was literally heydog.gif.

But yeah, it's really just a function of close proximity to someone whose texting style incorporates that!

It's way, way better to just share links, memes, and pictures. The last thing I wanna do is actually catch up over text, and maybe since you know you'll be doing that in person, you're less inclined to ask for legitimate status updates?
 
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Kieli

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Anyone ever experience residual confidence-boosters?

Today, a very pretty woman was continually shooting glances at my friend (who is very handsome), but the angle made it look like she was looking at me :)lol). It was enough to make my day and give me a boost in confidence. Can't imagine how my friend must feel getting them 'mirin stares from ladies all the time (he didn't notice her, by the way).
 
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always crazy bacon

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Subpar Scrub said:
It's a red flag though. Looks like they're being passive-aggressively judgmental imo
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Reverse psychology, "you're in a happy relationship", making the recipient question if they are. The only reason they send things like that is for their benefit and it's not respecting that by sending a message to say your respecting that. They hope you'll take a look at their site again.
 
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Advocatus Diaboli

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Kieli said:
Anyone ever experience residual confidence-boosters?

Today, a very pretty woman was continually shooting glances at my friend (who is very handsome), but the angle made it look like she was looking at me :)lol). It was enough to make my day and give me a boost in confidence. Can't imagine how my friend must feel getting them 'mirin stares from ladies all the time (he didn't notice her, by the way).
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How is this a residual confidence booster if you understood what was happening and none of it actually had to do with you?

I mean... good for you, I guess. But I just don't see how anything (even tangentially) tied to me should affect me.
 
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Kieli

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Advocatus Diaboli said:
How is this a residual confidence booster if you understood what was happening and none of it actually had to do with you?

I mean... good for you, I guess. But I just don't see how anything (even tangentially) tied to me should affect me.
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Eh, I dunno. Felt great for the day though!
 
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The Cretan

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Guys, I need your advice on something.

Two years ago, I met a girl in my university. I didn't like her immediately, but after few times we met, I started to like her. So, I said to her to go out for a coffee and she accepted my offer. However, I was so needy and I didn't make a move in our first "date" (i don't even know if she considered it to be a date). The next time we hanged out was with some friends with her, and in the end of the meeting I said to her that I like her. She said that she doesn't like me, she wants to be friends with me though. So, we became friends. Fast forward to now, I am good friends with her. She's a great person and I enjoy her company. I have met some other girls, none of them liked me though, but she wasn't the only girl I liked these two years.

Yesterday though, we hang out with some friends and I heard her saying to her friend that she talks with someone (maybe through facebook) and maybe she's going to meet him, but you know, as a date, not a friendly hang out. I felt jealous. I felt jealous other times, too, when she checked out some guys when we were hanging out. I don't know if I started to develop some feelings for her, for a long time I was thinking "maybe we could be in a great relationship, but we aren't and that's okay", but I don't know what changed these few weeks. So, a part of me really wants to flirt with her, but maybe moving on is for the best. So, I would like your advice on if I could flirt with her or on how to move on.
 
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Subpar Scrub

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Kieli said:
Eh, I dunno. Felt great for the day though!
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That's pretty weird, imo. I guess if you get a confidence boost out of knowing girls wanna bang your mate, that's your thing though.

The Cretan said:
So, a part of me really wants to flirt with her, but maybe moving on is for the best. So, I would like your advice on if I could flirt with her or on how to move on.
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I'd flirt a bit and ask her out(again), if she says no, just hang out with her less until it's out of your system and move on. If there's anything I've learned from this thread, it's that you can't get hung up on someone and waste time that you could be using to pursue other options.
 
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Messofanego

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The Cretan said:
Guys, I need your advice on something.

Two years ago, I met a girl in my university. I didn't like her immediately, but after few times we met, I started to like her. So, I said to her to go out for a coffee and she accepted my offer. However, I was so needy and I didn't make a move in our first "date" (i don't even know if she considered it to be a date). The next time we hanged out was with some friends with her, and in the end of the meeting I said to her that I like her. She said that she doesn't like me, she wants to be friends with me though. So, we became friends. Fast forward to now, I am good friends with her. She's a great person and I enjoy her company. I have met some other girls, none of them liked me though, but she wasn't the only girl I liked these two years.

Yesterday though, we hang out with some friends and I heard her saying to her friend that she talks with someone (maybe through facebook) and maybe she's going to meet him, but you know, as a date, not a friendly hang out. I felt jealous. I felt jealous other times, too, when she checked out some guys when we were hanging out. I don't know if I started to develop some feelings for her, for a long time I was thinking "maybe we could be in a great relationship, but we aren't and that's okay", but I don't know what changed these few weeks. So, a part of me really wants to flirt with her, but maybe moving on is for the best. So, I would like your advice on if I could flirt with her or on how to move on.
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Has she ever initiated or made moves on you after she said she didn't like you in that way? If not, you've got to move on because jealousy when you're not in a relationship is bad. If you can't keep her as just a friend then you've got to move on. Delete her number, don't make much contact, and go about your life as normal.
 
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ZackieChan

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The Cretan said:
Guys, I need your advice on something.

Two years ago, I met a girl in my university. I didn't like her immediately, but after few times we met, I started to like her. So, I said to her to go out for a coffee and she accepted my offer. However, I was so needy and I didn't make a move in our first "date" (i don't even know if she considered it to be a date). The next time we hanged out was with some friends with her, and in the end of the meeting I said to her that I like her. She said that she doesn't like me, she wants to be friends with me though. So, we became friends. Fast forward to now, I am good friends with her. She's a great person and I enjoy her company. I have met some other girls, none of them liked me though, but she wasn't the only girl I liked these two years.

Yesterday though, we hang out with some friends and I heard her saying to her friend that she talks with someone (maybe through facebook) and maybe she's going to meet him, but you know, as a date, not a friendly hang out. I felt jealous. I felt jealous other times, too, when she checked out some guys when we were hanging out. I don't know if I started to develop some feelings for her, for a long time I was thinking "maybe we could be in a great relationship, but we aren't and that's okay", but I don't know what changed these few weeks. So, a part of me really wants to flirt with her, but maybe moving on is for the best. So, I would like your advice on if I could flirt with her or on how to move on.
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Sounds like she believes you are friends, but you are pretending to be her friend in the hopes that someday she will realize that the right one for her was next to her all along.

No offense meant, but are you 13 or something? You "like" her? You sound like a tween, man. Gotta be more mature with this. Read the OP, read Models, read the thread, realize that you can either accept that you're just friends with her or you should move on.

Edit: If I sound curt or dickish, it's because you're like the hundredth poster that has come to this thread with the same exact story. Also, I'm an asshole.
 
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The Cretan

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Messofanego said:
Has she ever initiated or made moves on you after she said she didn't like you in that way? If not, you've got to move on because jealousy when you're not in a relationship is bad. If you can't keep her as just a friend then you've got to move on. Delete her number, don't make much contact, and go about your life as normal.
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No, she's friendly with me, but I don't think she ever did something more than a friendly move, though. I don't know if I can read signs women give easily (probably not), but even then, I don't think she has ever made a move.
ZackieChan said:
Sounds like she believes you are friends, but you are pretending to be her friend in the hopes that someday she will realize that the right one for her was next to her all along.

No offense meant, but are you 13 or something? You "like" her? You sound like a tween, man. Gotta be more mature with this. Read the OP, read Models, read the thread, realize that you can either accept that you're just friends with her or you should move on.

Edit: If I sound curt or dickish, it's because you're like the hundredth poster that has come to this thread with the same exact story. Also, I'm an asshole.
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You don't sound dickish. Basically, you sound exactly right. I wasn't pretending to be her friend, but yeah, I guess it's time to grow up.

I have read some parts of the Models, I should give the whole book a read, though.
Thanks, guys (Subpar Scrub included). I appreciate your help.
 
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Messofanego

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Kieli said:
Anyone ever experience residual confidence-boosters?

Today, a very pretty woman was continually shooting glances at my friend (who is very handsome), but the angle made it look like she was looking at me :)lol). It was enough to make my day and give me a boost in confidence. Can't imagine how my friend must feel getting them 'mirin stares from ladies all the time (he didn't notice her, by the way).
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lmao wut no

Whatever gives you confidence, I guess, but it'd be better if you work on your self-esteem so you don't have to care about this.
 
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Magwik

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Kieli said:
Anyone ever experience residual confidence-boosters?

Today, a very pretty woman was continually shooting glances at my friend (who is very handsome), but the angle made it look like she was looking at me :)lol). It was enough to make my day and give me a boost in confidence. Can't imagine how my friend must feel getting them 'mirin stares from ladies all the time (he didn't notice her, by the way).
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I mean this is just a roundabout way of looking in the mirror in the morning and lying to yourself.
 
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OG Kush

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The Cretan said:
Guys, I need your advice on something.

Two years ago, I met a girl in my university. I didn't like her immediately, but after few times we met, I started to like her. So, I said to her to go out for a coffee and she accepted my offer. However, I was so needy and I didn't make a move in our first "date" (i don't even know if she considered it to be a date). The next time we hanged out was with some friends with her, and in the end of the meeting I said to her that I like her. She said that she doesn't like me, she wants to be friends with me though. So, we became friends. Fast forward to now, I am good friends with her. She's a great person and I enjoy her company. I have met some other girls, none of them liked me though, but she wasn't the only girl I liked these two years.

Yesterday though, we hang out with some friends and I heard her saying to her friend that she talks with someone (maybe through facebook) and maybe she's going to meet him, but you know, as a date, not a friendly hang out. I felt jealous. I felt jealous other times, too, when she checked out some guys when we were hanging out. I don't know if I started to develop some feelings for her, for a long time I was thinking "maybe we could be in a great relationship, but we aren't and that's okay", but I don't know what changed these few weeks. So, a part of me really wants to flirt with her, but maybe moving on is for the best. So, I would like your advice on if I could flirt with her or on how to move on.
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You've been friendzoned. Move on.
 
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JadedWriter

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The Cretan said:
Guys, I need your advice on something.

Two years ago, I met a girl in my university. I didn't like her immediately, but after few times we met, I started to like her. So, I said to her to go out for a coffee and she accepted my offer. However, I was so needy and I didn't make a move in our first "date" (i don't even know if she considered it to be a date). The next time we hanged out was with some friends with her, and in the end of the meeting I said to her that I like her. She said that she doesn't like me, she wants to be friends with me though. So, we became friends. Fast forward to now, I am good friends with her. She's a great person and I enjoy her company. I have met some other girls, none of them liked me though, but she wasn't the only girl I liked these two years.

Yesterday though, we hang out with some friends and I heard her saying to her friend that she talks with someone (maybe through facebook) and maybe she's going to meet him, but you know, as a date, not a friendly hang out. I felt jealous. I felt jealous other times, too, when she checked out some guys when we were hanging out. I don't know if I started to develop some feelings for her, for a long time I was thinking "maybe we could be in a great relationship, but we aren't and that's okay", but I don't know what changed these few weeks. So, a part of me really wants to flirt with her, but maybe moving on is for the best. So, I would like your advice on if I could flirt with her or on how to move on.
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Don't do what I have done and wait two years in an attempt to see if she will like you in that amount of time. Just live your life, be content in friendship and find another woman to date. All you're going to do is eventually hate her for not liking you.
 
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Baron von Loathsome

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gaiages said:
Let's not have a pity party in here. :p

EDIT: OKC sent me this email for my birthday lol

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But I waaaaaant a pity party!

Also, happy birthday!
 
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Benzychenz

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"I'll see how quiet my house is tomorrow night &#128527;"

Huh, wonder what that could mean? &#129300;
Maybe she wants to show me how far gaming has come since SMB.
 
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gaiages

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always crazy bacon said:
Reverse psychology, "you're in a happy relationship", making the recipient question if they are. The only reason they send things like that is for their benefit and it's not respecting that by sending a message to say your respecting that. They hope you'll take a look at their site again.
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lol basically

"Hey I know you're soooo happy and all but don't you just wonder what else is out there?"

Miles Quaritch said:
Happy Birthday gaiages!

So where do line up for cake? There is cake right?
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I'm on keto, you probably would NOT like my cake lololol
 
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FyreWulff

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i'd eat a cake made entirely of beef with eggs covering it

although the keto farts afterwards would probably set off geiger counters in a 2 mile radius
 
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Krauser Kat

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Friday I hung out with Girl 1 at this giant house she was house sitting. We had fun, but the sex was the same as the first time where she basically never used her hands.

Saturday was all day with girl 2 went to the bike store, drove around, got food, then got beers and hung out and talked. Went in a for a kiss when i left but she backed away a bit.
She later apologized for being awkward and wished she kissed me. Seeing her again on friday

Sunday. Got brunch with girl 3. Will not see girl 3 again.
(wonder woman for fathers day, good movie)

Monday. Drinks at a really cool new bar with Girl 4. She was quite a bit heavier then in her pictures. It was an okay date. I dont think i will see her again. Its more fun to text with her then talk in person. I will have to let her know im not feeling it.

Tonight is Girl 5. Going to a jazz club close to my neighborhood and grabbing a drink. This one seems really cool.

Everything is busy.
 
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Baron von Loathsome

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I took a selfie for potential dating site use a few days ago, and looking at it now, eh, I got some acne to deal with. I would like to hear some other people's thoughts, though, so if you want to give some input, PM me and I'll send you the pic (I'd rather not post it publicly).
 
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artsi

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Rich girl invited me for dinner yesterday, this was fourth date now.
She said that she would've liked to kiss me this time but I'm sick (goddamnit) and she's going for a trip for the rest of the week, so she doesn't want to risk it.

Gave a good hug and made plans that we're meeting again next week after she returns, so I promised to steal two kisses then.

Like I said, things are going slow but I'm not in a hurry with this one.

Astral said:
What the fuck? It can't just be the photos. Are you really really hot?
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Ledbetter said:
I'm actually starting to think you are the real Gabriel Macht.
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I look okay, I guess?

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always crazy bacon

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Baron von Loathsome said:
I took a selfie for potential dating site use a few days ago, and looking at it now, eh, I got some acne to deal with. I would like to hear some other people's thoughts, though, so if you want to give some input, PM me and I'll send you the pic (I'd rather not post it publicly).
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I can Photoshop the acne off, depending how much there is. I guarantee it looks worse in a photo than it does in person.
 
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ZackieChan

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Baron von Loathsome said:
I took a selfie for potential dating site use a few days ago, and looking at it now, eh, I got some acne to deal with. I would like to hear some other people's thoughts, though, so if you want to give some input, PM me and I'll send you the pic (I'd rather not post it publicly).
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You should take like 30 selfies/pics and choose the best. Taking one pic is amateur hour.
 
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Krauser Kat

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Stand next to a window, or lamp. Make sure its like a little infront of you and not to your exact side. Probably tilt your head closer to the light. Smile and take a a pic.

Sometimes laying down helps.

Directional soft lighting from windows will help smooth out your face and make the picture more dynamic.
 
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Neoweee

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I really don't do selfies in profiles. I just make a point of remembering to ask friends to take photos when we're just standing around, at weddings, parties, events, etc. With time, if you remember, you'll have a good selection of peer-judged photos.

Krauser Kat said:
Friday I hung out with Girl 1 at this giant house she was house sitting. We had fun, but the sex was the same as the first time where she basically never used her hands.

Saturday was all day with girl 2 went to the bike store, drove around, got food, then got beers and hung out and talked. Went in a for a kiss when i left but she backed away a bit.
She later apologized for being awkward and wished she kissed me. Seeing her again on friday

Sunday. Got brunch with girl 3. Will not see girl 3 again.
(wonder woman for fathers day, good movie)

Monday. Drinks at a really cool new bar with Girl 4. She was quite a bit heavier then in her pictures. It was an okay date. I dont think i will see her again. Its more fun to text with her then talk in person. I will have to let her know im not feeling it.

Tonight is Girl 5. Going to a jazz club close to my neighborhood and grabbing a drink. This one seems really cool.

Everything is busy.
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Particularly on the topic of #2, do you ever "ask" for a kiss / state you want to, and how? And how often does going in for one get cheek/back-away/nothing? I had some awkward experiences last year, and really feel like I'm missing something.
 
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Krauser Kat

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Neoweee said:
I really don't do selfies in profiles. I just make a point of remembering to ask friends to take photos when we're just standing around, at weddings, parties, events, etc. With time, if you remember, you'll have a good selection of peer-judged photos.



Particularly on the topic of #2, do you ever "ask" for a kiss, and how? And how often does going in for one get cheek/back-away/nothing? I had some awkward experiences last year, and really feel like I'm missing something.
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Usually if its a first date and you are saying good bye and hopefully the uber hasnt just pulled up. If you felt a good connection and was attracted to them. You can huge and say goodbye. If they go in for the kiss, more power to you. If they dont, then just straight up ask "I have been wanting to kiss you all night" or "can i kiss you".

Specifically in this case. 2nd time we hung out, but none of the either date was on really intimate terms. She walked out to my car and we were saying good bye and it was the first time either of were facing and that close and i went in for it and she weaved and i went for the hug but we both knew what happened. lol. Dont take it too personally if it happens. I think both of us were feeling it, but she bailed at the last minute.

She talked about it later, so she didnt give me the impression we just werent going to be a thing.
 
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Peltz

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Subpar Scrub said:
Not Canadian either, but I'll contact some family friends who work in legal and see what they have to say.
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Just remember. There's old school lawyers - people that are around 40 and older, and new school lawyers - people around 30-35 and under.

I would not ask any old school attorneys about their work to get a true sense of what it's like. The profession has changed too much since they were first starting out for you to get an accurate feel of things. They were part of a golden era of the profession that is now over. I'm not trying to be harsh. I just want you to understand the reality of the profession.

Different generations of attorneys have different opinions about the profession.
 
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AcridMeat

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Advocatus Diaboli said:
For instance, I use random emojis and .gifs with my ex-wife/bff all the time, and we have in-jokes like how the octopus is like the super shrug, and three octopi is exponentially more unsure. Same with my actual bff. And, oh yeah, the girl who's slowly anchoring me down - my first text to her was literally heydog.gif.
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AV you cheating on your BFF with your ex-wife? Cold blooded.

Subpar Scrub said:
It's a red flag though. Looks like they're being passive-aggressively judgmental imo
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Well it is bad for their business after all.
 
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Ultramantaro1

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Neoweee said:
Particularly on the topic of #2, do you ever "ask" for a kiss, and how? And how often does going in for one get cheek/back-away/nothing? I had some awkward experiences last year, and really feel like I'm missing something.
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Speaking for myself, what's worked is declaring it: I'm going to kiss you now / I want to kiss you. It's never backfired. And you have to follow through once you say it, so no second thoughts. I find that waiting for a magic romantic moment doesn't really work. Just say it then do it. Awkwardness happens if she's really not expecting it or doesn't want it. 1st date, who knows. But if it's the 2nd or 3rd date, she definitely wants to kiss you, otherwise why would she keep going on dates?

Personally, I take things slow, so usually wait for the 2nd date. Best thing is start of the date, so you're not spending the entire night thinking about when you're gonna do it. Get it out of the way first, then it's much easier to escalate from there.

Tbh girl I'm currently seeing is very attractive and I was getting a bit nervous so I waited for date 3. But same method. Met up, and before walking to our destination: 'before we get going, I'm going to kiss you now' and it went smooth as butter. Then I could spend the rest of the night doing things like holding hands, putting my hands on her back, dancing etc. It's completely natural once you've already kissed.

I wrote too much once again. This is sounding like PUA crap, but maybe it's of use to fellow gaffers.
 
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Solo

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Ultramantaro1 said:
Met up, and before walking to our destination: 'before we get going, I'm going to kiss you now' and it went smooth as butter.
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Perhaps its just the way you wrote it, but it sounds anything but smooth.

I dunno, I never asked to kiss a woman. I think you just instinctively know if the vibe is there or not, and act accordingly. Only once have I had the experience Krauser mentioned, where you lean in and she bobs and weaves out of the way. It was pretty embarrassing haha, but we never went out again after that anyway. Other than that I've just kissed when it felt right and it was reciprocated and worked out. There's usually some pretty telltale signs on the first date or two.
 
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Neoweee

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Ultramantaro1 said:
Speaking for myself, what's worked is declaring it: I'm going to kiss you now / I want to kiss you. It's never backfired. And you have to follow through once you say it, so no second thoughts. I find that waiting for a magic romantic moment doesn't really work. Just say it then do it. Awkwardness happens if she's really not expecting it or doesn't want it. 1st date, who knows. But if it's the 2nd or 3rd date, she definitely wants to kiss you, otherwise why would she keep going on dates?

Personally, I take things slow, so usually wait for the 2nd date. Best thing is start of the date, so you're not spending the entire night thinking about when you're gonna do it. Get it out of the way first, then it's much easier to escalate from there.

Tbh girl I'm currently seeing is very attractive and I was getting a bit nervous so I waited for date 3. But same method. Met up, and before walking to our destination: 'before we get going, I'm going to kiss you now' and it went smooth as butter. Then I could spend the rest of the night doing things like holding hands, putting my hands on her back, dancing etc. It's completely natural once you've already kissed.

I wrote too much once again. This is sounding like PUA crap, but maybe it's of use to fellow gaffers.
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No, this is awesome stuff. I've definitely talked myself out of things recently-- one girl we had like way too casual dates like a month apart, and I was waiting for the moment that never came, or tried with another girl that was way too skittish to pick up on signals. I'll just ask in the future.

It's really different dating in the city compared to in the burbs. There's a lot more room for quiet, intimate moments when on a walk out in the suburbs, but in the city the goodbyes come at street corners, on sidewalks, or as busses/ubers are pulling up. It's not as natural as a quiet walk back to a car, or in a car.

Krauser Kat said:
Usually if its a first date and you are saying good bye and hopefully the uber hasnt just pulled up. If you felt a good connection and was attracted to them. You can huge and say goodbye. If they go in for the kiss, more power to you. If they dont, then just straight up ask "I have been wanting to kiss you all night" or "can i kiss you".

Specifically in this case. 2nd time we hung out, but none of the either date was on really intimate terms. She walked out to my car and we were saying good bye and it was the first time either of were facing and that close and i went in for it and she weaved and i went for the hug but we both knew what happened. lol. Dont take it too personally if it happens. I think both of us were feeling it, but she bailed at the last minute.

She talked about it later, so she didnt give me the impression we just werent going to be a thing.
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Thank you. This and the rest of your advice has been super helpful, especially since you're also in Chicago.
 
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Xun

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Am I the only one here who doesn't ask to kiss someone?

I personally find it strange, even if I'm happy it works for some people.
 
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Neoweee

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Xun said:
Am I the only one here who doesn't ask to kiss someone?

I personally find it strange, even if I'm happy it works for some people.
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I've always found it be very strange, but the people that think it isn't strange have wildly better success than me, so I'm probably the one with the wrong/out-dated/misplaced attitude.
 
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Solo

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Xun said:
Am I the only one here who doesn't ask to kiss someone?

I personally find it strange, even if I'm happy it works for some people.
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Solo said:
Perhaps its just the way you wrote it, but it sounds anything but smooth.

I dunno, I never asked to kiss a woman. I think you just instinctively know if the vibe is there or not, and act accordingly. Only once have I had the experience Krauser mentioned, where you lean in and she bobs and weaves out of the way. It was pretty embarrassing haha, but we never went out again after that anyway. Other than that I've just kissed when it felt right and it was reciprocated and worked out. There's usually some pretty telltale signs on the first date or two.
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Asking feels like a way to crank up the awkwardness of an already awkward situation by 100.
 
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