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[Windle Poons]

Don't we get this thread once every 6 months?

Every 6 days it seems like…

 

[Kenneth Haight]

Still the best looking PS5 game arguably. It’s an absolute joy to play and look at.

 

[Lions Gate]

Amazing video dissecting the abomination that is Demon's Souls Remake, a total butchering of one of the best and most influential games of all time. One day Bluepoint and Sony are going to pay for their crimes.

 

[Unknown?]

The remake was actually supposed to be even more different. The From guys wanted more changes but BluePoint didn't want to do that.

 

[elegantgamer]

Man go touch grass and some ass.

 

[Fbh]

Yeah the art direction is notoriously worse. It's a big reason why I'd rather get a simple 4K(ish) 60fps patch for Bloodborne instead of having Bluepoint make a remake.

But graphically it's still a really nice looking game, and it's basically the same game at 60fps. So it's still one of the few first party highlights of the Ps5.

 

[MMaRsu]

Yup, the bleak atmosphere is gone, the ephmereal feel is gone.

Its just bad.

 

[Gojiira]

Nope. It has a few objectively bad omissions such as the ambient soundscape in Latria which was extremely creepy in the original, and a few subjectively bad changes like the Officials. BUT, most everything else is vastly improved, the overall fidelity is insane with details and props everywhere. Shrine of Storms is amazing in the remake for instance. Bosses like the Vanguard look infinitely better too.
Its a great remake, great visuals and performance, great modernisation.

 

[Bert Big Balls]

Keep seeing this shite, but the game looked amazing to me and played really well, so I disagree.

 

[MMaRsu]

Changing the OST was also a huge NO NO. What a monumental fuckup

Keep seeing this shite, but the game looked amazing to me and played really well, so I disagree.

Then you obviously did not watch the video, nor did you understand that this is about the art, not about technical graphics. And I would venture to guess you did not play the original?

You do understand that when you change art, you can change the entire feeling of something right?

Or would you say Oldboy OG and Oldboy American remake are the same???

The entire atmosphere is different. Sounds are missing, music is different. And all for the worse.

 

[MMaRsu]

They trade art direction for visual fetish. Of course people obssessive with visuals gonna think its great, no wonder From didn't like it.

But it looks great what do you mean!?!?! When I played it I thought it looked amazing so yeah you're obviously wrong

/s

 

[FalsettoVibe]

I asked an AI chatbot to give me an analogy for this dumb argument.......lol

Okay, so, like, this dude, right? He had this girlfriend, Brenda. Brenda was…Brenda. She had this quirky, authentic charm, you know? Like, her hair was always a little frizzy, she wore those sensible shoes, and her laugh sounded like a strangled goose. But, hey, she knew him. She knew his weird obsession with collecting bottle caps, she tolerated his questionable taste in 80s power ballads, and she made a mean meatloaf, even if it looked like something you'd unearth from a paleontological dig.

Then, BAM! He trades up for Natasha. Natasha is like, supermodel gorgeous. Hair flows like liquid silk, legs for days, laughs like wind chimes. She wears designer everything and smells like a field of imported lavender. But, oh my god, the complaints.

"Natasha," he sighs dramatically, "just isn't Brenda. Brenda's frizz was endearing. Natasha's perfect blowout? Intimidating. Brenda's sensible shoes? Comforting. Natasha's stilettos? Impractical! Brenda's meatloaf, while visually disturbing, was familiar. Natasha's gourmet quinoa salad with pomegranate and free-range goose? Pretentious! And don't even get him started on the laugh. Brenda's strangled goose cackle was real. Natasha's wind chimes? Manufactured joy!"

He’s just so torn. Natasha is objectively better in every conceivable way, but Brenda, with her frizzy hair and questionable culinary skills, was his Brenda. It's like, dude, if you miss the meatloaf that much, go back to Brenda! Nobody's stopping you. Just…maybe warn her about the bottle cap collection first.

 

[Ashler]

The original Demon's Souls was my first FROM experience and made me fall in love with the game type.
The Bluepoint remastered was a fresh take on the original game, and, was a much appreciated bump up from what was possible in the PS3 gen.

Both games gave amazing artistic direction and an amazing OST, even though they are quite different.

Is it that hard to be content with both?

 

[ByWatterson]

 

[MMaRsu]

The original Demon's Souls was my first FROM experience and made me fall in love with the game type.
The Bluepoint remastered was a fresh take on the original game, and, was a much appreciated bump up from what was possible in the PS3 gen.

Both games gave amazing artistic direction and an amazing OST, even though they are quite different.

Is it that hard to be content with both?

Did you bother watching the video?

Or nah

My bet is nah

 

[Ashler]

Did you bother watching the video?

Or nah

My bet is nah

Yes I did. I was referring to all the bickering between both sides of the camp about which is better.

 

[MiguelItUp]

I understand the differences, and I could see them as well during my first playthrough of the Remake. But, I felt it was overdramatic to say the Remake was "passionless" or "soulless", it's okay that you preferred the original's art, but I think that's a bit ridiculous to say personally.

I still think Remake is one of the best looking games I've ever seen. Especially with the right display. The immersion felt as pure as the original, if not more so in some cases, IMO.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

 

[TehGoomba7s]

Its so far clear of the original. I swear FromSoftware fanboys are up there with the worst. Even the way they shit on Lies of P is comical. Demon's Souls PS5 finally did the game justice.

 

[fart town usa]

I won't say it's ugly but the remake annoyed me with the modern faces for NPCs. Looks really silly IMO.

I also don't understand why some place the game on such a high pedestal when it comes to visuals. It looks good, didn't really wow me at any time though.

All the same, I really enjoyed my time with it and was proud of myself that I beat it.

 

[MDSLKTR]

Npc talking points from YouTube content creators "but muh artistic integrity":

 

[Gaiff]

Sony made OG Demon’s Souls, the remaster and Bloodborne.

The fuck? Demon’s Souls and Bloodborne were made by From.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

I enjoyed this disaster so much I think it was the best game on PS5.

 

[RedC]

The fuck? Demon’s Souls and Bloodborne were made by From.

They essentially mean Sony funded, published, and owns the games.

 

[XXL]

I love both versions.

 

[Shifty1897]

It has it's ups and downs, ultimately it's fine and a great way to play the game without digging out your PS3 and playing at 720p.

 

[j0hnnix]

i thought it was a fantastic video on creators own opinions, nothing wrong with that. DSR was a great game, one i still enjoy coming back to , but damn i hate ng+.

 

[Spukc]

 

[lughnasadh123]

Remakes are usually going to illicit a reaction like this from your own personal subjective take on things even with whatever jank that comes from it. I love King's Field 1 and 2 and know damn well part of that comes from the gameplay jank along with those sweet, messy PS1 graphics. Overhaul all that and the game just has a different feel. It's all good. But my fucking lord the hyperbolic takes like "artistic disaster" and "soulless"?

 

[Risible]

Yeah, the pads on Flamelurker's feet being different really ruined it for me, too. <clutches pearls>

This video frames a bunch of different artistic choices as having ruined Demon's Souls. As someone who played it on PS3 and PS5 I think it's fine to say you don't like the remake, but saying the remake is a bad game or doesn't do justice to the original might be the most retarded take ever.

 

[Wintereq]

Oh just shut up.

 

[BbMajor7th]

The video uses very charged and hyperbolic language throughout (makes sense, Demon's Souls is his favourite game of all time), but the points of comparison he makes are reasonable. The obvious use of out-of-the-box Hollywood epic aesthetic is hard to ignore. The massive choirs and thundering timpani in every music track, the re-colouring of every scene to use the same teal/orange complimentary pallette, the genericizing of designs that have a very FromSoft uncanniness to them (the gargoyles in Upper Latria are probably the stand-outs in this regard).

Some of his points do feel like an overreach, I'll admit, but - much as I enjoyed my time with the remake - there's no doubt the American art team struggled to commit to the weird, goofy and often uncool art direction of the original. I suspect their own cultural lens bent things toward a western Ren-Fair vibe. Architecture goes gothic and ornate, sound effects become bombastic and symphonic, sartorial and character design lean towards western high-fantasy, and the American philosophy of 'more is more' replaces FromSoft's deliberately understated approach.

 

[XXL]

It has it's ups and downs, ultimately it's fine and a great way to play the game without digging out your PS3 and playing at 720p.

Not to mention the loading times in the Remake are God Tier and are a much bigger deal than any of the smaller issues people may have with the Remake.

 

[Punished Miku]

I also don't understand why some place the game on such a high pedestal when it comes to visuals.

I played it November of 2021 and was very impressed. Haven't replayed it though so I don't know.

 

[MMaRsu]

Not to mention the loading times in the Remake are God Tier and are a much bigger deal than any of the smaller issues people may have with the Remake.

I mean if you play the OG through an emulator, there is no load times

 

[R6Rider]

I mean if you play the OG through an emulator, there is no load times

SMH you're missing the point of the artistic decision of having those load times. Therefore by playin it on an emulator you are ruining the original idea.

 

[diffusionx]

From fanboys need to get a life.

It was a remake, it was different, an interpretation of the game.

I played it November of 2021 and was very impressed. Haven't replayed it though so I don't know.

DS remake shows what these consoles can do when you aren't adding tons of unnecessary ray tracing and other effects that make it necessary to run the game at 800p and apply shitty FSR2 to upscale.

 

[Euler007]

Blah blah blah

 

[iHaunter]

I LOVED the Remake, and I beat the PS3 Demon's Souls 20+ times.

 

[FoxMcChief]

I had zero issues with the remake and had a blast with it. I still think it might be the best exclusive on the PS5.

 

[Pasta la Vista]

I read Demon's Souls Remake and I was certain it's a Steam version announcement.

Go fuck yourself, OP. You got my hopes up for nothing.

You dont want this one, just emulate the original.

 

[Loomy]

Don't we get this thread once every 6 months?

Not even. It's every other month at this point. Demon's Souls remake is a very good game, and a very good remake. People just want something to complain about.

 

[existensmaximum]

The original looked like shit. The remake is amazing.

Thanks

 

[Bernardougf]

Loved the original and love the remake ... to each their own I guess

Didnt see one problem whatsoever.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Honestly the best game on PS5 and the best looking game of all time on PS5 Pro.

I've tried almost every PS5 Pro game and none of them hold a candle to how this one looks....

Also one of my favorite games.

I wouldn't change a thing. The art whining is not for me. I'm a man.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's that time of year again.

 

[Hudo]

I agree, but this has been discussed to death.

 

[nial]

I'm yet to see a game getting as much autistic hate as Demon's Souls 2020.

no wonder From didn't like it.

[citation needed]
The only time any From Software representative -in this case, Hidetaka Miyakazi himself- commented on the remake, it was in a very positive manner.

“It was an old game, so to see it get remade in this way and have new players playing it was obviously something that made me very happy," Miyzaki said. “It was a rough game back in the day, with a relatively rough development, so I was anxious that new players would not enjoy it in that same way. That was a cause of concern for me when it was re-released but, you know, in the end, I’m just happy to see the reaction and happy to see people enjoying it.
“One thing that was really fun was seeing [Bluepoint Games] come up with things we didn’t consider and to approach certain elements of the game its visuals and its mechanics in a way that we either couldn’t or didn’t back in the day. So to see them researching and applying these new thought processes and new techniques, this was something that was really exciting and interesting for me.”

 

[ShirAhava]

Not the truth again! oh no!

Imagine caring about quality, having good taste and basic standards for how a video game classic should be handled properly
with respect what gamers enjoyed by preserving the original devs creative vision.

or you can just let bluepoint take a dump on your console and tell you its cake

The best PS5 exclusive is a shitty port of a great PS3 game that certain folks make excuses for because the bar for
modern gaming is just that damn low. Defend/support mediocrity and that soulless corporation will reward you with more of it.

 

[Cert.in.Death]

I can sympathize with the core of the argument: does adding greater detail to the ambiguous elements of a creative work remove something of substance from the matrix of possible interpretations? The answer is yes, for where clarity exists, logical interpretation is more limited.

I offer one of my favorite articles I’ve ever read as an exhibit (before Gamergate destroyed the trust of the audience and its influencers):

The question of fidelity and Shadow of the Colossus

Editor's note: Once a month we're lucky enough to be graced by the presence of Gareth Damian Martin, editor of Heteroto…

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