DF - Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth: PS5 Pro vs PS5 - A Vast Improvement At 60FPS
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SlimySnake
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Nope. It was mostly native 4k with some dynamic resolution but DF mostly only counted native 4k most of the time.
There likely wont be a fidelity mode on the pro since DF werent given footage of that. other games like alan wake 2 had both modes in the footage provided.
Zathalus
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At this point I'm just waiting for somebody to accuse DF as secretly being part of the Illuminati.
You can highligth what you want, it doesn't change what John is pointing out regarding IQ.
Let me say that I am surprised to see that someone like you, whom I consider mature and sensible and with good knowledge of the matter, believes that making evaluations based on still images is enough to evaluate and draw conclusions about IQ in games today. But OK.
Mr Moose
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That's Oliver.
Still images should show what he is talking about, he said without a lot of camera movement.
I'm just not seeing the image break-up compared to graphics mode. He's another shot.
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Hot5pur
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If I was in the market for a 4070 PC vs a PS5 pro, I'd go with the pro. We're like half way through the console cycle (if that?) and look how long it took Sony to move past releasing PS4 games. PS6 will be even slower to get going.
If it wasn't for Sony bringing exclusives to PC I'd probably be picking this up, but a rather hefty backlog and seemingly increased cadence of exclusives landing on PC makes it a bit redundant (also the 4090 helps).
If it wasn't for Sony bringing exclusives to PC I'd probably be picking this up, but a rather hefty backlog and seemingly increased cadence of exclusives landing on PC makes it a bit redundant (also the 4090 helps).
Kuranghi
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Awesome, well no point in a Fidelity mode if it looks better in the 60fps mode on PS5 Pro, hurrah no more horrendously framey special attack animations and high input lag.
Though quality hoe in me wants to see what a higher internal res PSSR version would look like hahaha.
Sw0pDiller
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I thought that pssr was done by a separate chip, so the 45% gpu is free to play around with Graphical candy or stabelising framerates.
Parazels
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Maybe Gran Turismo 7 at 4k@120?
Zathalus
Member
No, still images are a terrible way of showing off temporal stability. You need to see it in video form as temporal stability refers to how the temporal data is added in from previous frames. It's a measure of how it preserves image quality across frames in a sequence, still images won't capture that.
GHG
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Think I saw Richard and Alex in a Blackrock commercial once.
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MadchesterManc
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I gotta admit this PSSR is looking impressive on this game, better than native at times 
I was usually impressed with checkerboarding on Pro, especially 60fps stuff like GT Sport. The PS5 patches for most of Sony's 1st party games that added 60fps modes cleared up most of the visual issues with more frames to work with thinking back. Its a shame its been largely forgotten in the lead up to PSSR, outside of Capcom I guess, but it would probably look horrific with these 720p base resolutions.
I was usually impressed with checkerboarding on Pro, especially 60fps stuff like GT Sport. The PS5 patches for most of Sony's 1st party games that added 60fps modes cleared up most of the visual issues with more frames to work with thinking back. Its a shame its been largely forgotten in the lead up to PSSR, outside of Capcom I guess, but it would probably look horrific with these 720p base resolutions.
Mr Moose
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Maybe I'm just ignorant to what he's talking about, I don't see it.
This is the section where he mentions it. There's a lot more ghosting on the graphics mode.
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Topher
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That's Oliver.
Still images should show what he is talking about, he said without a lot of camera movement.
I'm just not seeing the image break-up compared to graphics mode. He's another shot.
The top image is PS5 Pro and second is PS5?
Mr Moose
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Yeah.
Topher
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HeWhoWalks
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We know why.
TrebleShot
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Its over.
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Go_Ly_Dow
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I watched this on my 4K LG OLED and even with YouTube compression factored in the difference was huge.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Have your own opinion maybe?
For a second, forget whatever John/Oliver said. Take a look at the following image and tell me you don't see an improvement in the right image when compared to the middle one.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Look at the clarity in the strands of her hair. Not to mention the rest of the image is much more crisp and small details now can be seen and not blurred.That's Oliver.
Still images should show what he is talking about, he said without a lot of camera movement.
I'm just not seeing the image break-up compared to graphics mode. He's another shot.
The reason why I am asking this question is some of the twitters take are unhinged lol and I am guessing here most of them watch this on their phone.
SweetTooth
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PSSR sounds way better than I thought! its mind-blowing to me that Sony engineers always outdo their AMD counterpart at almost everything 
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Hopefully SE takes the time to improve some general textures and assets too. Those horrid mountain textures are only gonna stand out more with sharper IQ.
MatrixReloaded101
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^Agreed, the ps5 pro is a very good option for people who don't want to get a PC.
I got a PC and I will definitely be picking it up just because I don't want to wait 2 years to play first/second party games especially if I can get 60 fps on day 1 with the pro.
Anchovie123
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Its too early to assume PSSR is taking up the extra 45% compute. These are all old titles and the devs may not have the resources or encouragement to go back and do more.
The end of the video shows Pro has a locked 60fps in combat compared to low 50s of base PS5 witch means theres headroom but we dont know how much.
The end of the video shows Pro has a locked 60fps in combat compared to low 50s of base PS5 witch means theres headroom but we dont know how much.
SweetTooth
Gold Member
Cerny never disappoint boys. He said he will make choosing between Performance/Quality easier for us... and he goddamn delivered like always!!
That PSSR magic is impressive!
Where is the Preorder button Sony?
That PSSR magic is impressive!
Where is the Preorder button Sony?
XXL
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Crispy Gamer
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Man the temporal stability doesn't look bad at all to me everything is crisp especially compared to the base console there's tons of ghosting on that. I also didn't see what was wrong with the hair and jacket lol I guess it's a good thing it doesn't bother me.
To detect these types of situations and their degree of visibility you need to the game in action. The other thing is to question and doubt DF.That's Oliver.
Still images should show what he is talking about, he said without a lot of camera movement.
I'm just not seeing the image break-up compared to graphics mode. He's another shot.
The fact is that what is described is not something strange, because it has already been identified in many of the games with PSSR already analyzed.
Own opinion?? If someone decides that getting an opinion from static images is sufficient and correct to determine the IQ of a game in times where scaling and ML formulas have been used for a long time... it is simply because they do not know how these work.
Not to mention that entering to give my opinion is questioning and casting doubt on DF's direct impressions, which have much more basis than anyone else here.
I suppose that for those who, like you, hate DF as a source, it is not a problem to question them
Crispy Gamer
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Wait is that vs. fidelity mode?
Topher
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TrueLegend
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I called DLSS Top tier. So apparantly people have right to be excited but cannot be disappointed. Who is naming name here 'Fight the power moment' Son, not me.
Crispy Gamer
Member
Yup it is wow!Graphics mode is fidelity mode, I believe. Is that rightMr Moose ?
SweetTooth
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If I learned anything from my 35 years gaming is Sony has always been trying their best to advance this industry with all means and might!
PS1, Eyetoy, PS2 (crazy VUs), PS3 Cell, SSD ( unheard of speed) PS5 (I/O block) PSPortal, 3D audio, VR space...etc
And now testing the waters with PSSR in a midgen console stop gap with a mighty impressive results that are better than everything AMD puts and on par with Nvidia latest!
You don't see MS doing the same or Nintendo even trying to get out their safe space
Topher
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That clarity of the image is something
DeepSpace5D
Member
Awesome, it appears early impressions are echoing what Cerny was trying to convey, no longer having to compromise between fidelity and performance modes on console.
To my eyes the PS5 Pro mode looks even better visually than the previous 30fps graphics mode, AND at a more stable framerate than the previous performance mode.
Pretty much exactly what I was hoping for, and it's still so early.
Now I want to see how Dragon's Dogma II performs on the Pro.
To my eyes the PS5 Pro mode looks even better visually than the previous 30fps graphics mode, AND at a more stable framerate than the previous performance mode.
Pretty much exactly what I was hoping for, and it's still so early.
Now I want to see how Dragon's Dogma II performs on the Pro.
TrueLegend
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I like how at your convenient they become shill in other threads.
DenchDeckard
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It looks super impressive but I can't help but feel it's highlighting how bad the standard ps5 version is more than anything. I'd be pissed to have played this on ps5 peasant.
So I know MLID hit and miss here but his earlier pro leak is legit, so this gives him more credibility than other topic.
He was saying Sony Just update PSSR recently from 9.0 to 9.4 because of image quality/stability issue. Maybe this related to Oliver talking about here regarding to PSSR. Well, we will see in a bit more than a month.
This is why PSSR is crucial to PS5 Pro. Each iteration of PSSR here will bring in more image quality/clarity improvements when most upscale techniques on console appear to be dead end, so the comparison to thr based consoles even more lopsided.
He was saying Sony Just update PSSR recently from 9.0 to 9.4 because of image quality/stability issue. Maybe this related to Oliver talking about here regarding to PSSR. Well, we will see in a bit more than a month.
This is why PSSR is crucial to PS5 Pro. Each iteration of PSSR here will bring in more image quality/clarity improvements when most upscale techniques on console appear to be dead end, so the comparison to thr based consoles even more lopsided.
Topher
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lol...what? That doesn't make sense, but if you are implying that I've called them shills when it is "convenient" then you are quite wrong. I've even defended them from being called biased. The most I've said is that they are journalists first and can be sensationalist, but that doesn't mean they are wrong.
I just think it is hilarious that you can throw a rock in here and hit someone calling DF shills for completely different reasons.
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