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DF - Horizon ZD/FW Pro review
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mansoor1980
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P stands for?
Horseganador
Member
A well-worked patch as I see it.
joeygreco1985
Member
Poundry
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Just when I thought I was getting behind the times and thought I should know what PF stood for
Radical_3d
Member
Polygon Foundry. Love to see it.
llien
Banned
Probably Paid Shills
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Gonzito
Gold Member
So what is the upscaler they are using? FSR?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Their own custom solution, kinda like Insomniac has their own "TAA Injection" instead of relying on standard up-scalers (before Pro).
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Doubt it’s DLSS. Seems like a LOD or texturing issue.
Not sure if it's DLSS or something else, but I thought the lack of detail here on PC was rather interesting.
Vick
Member
It is, the game just has inferior LOD and texturing on PC for some reason. True for characters but especially distant environmental detail.
I'm very impressed by Guerrilla solution by the way, and its advantages over DLSS at equal internal resolution. I thought it was a quite literal flawless image quality while playing.
Bojji
Member
They really have some good upscaling here. If it's not using ML it's even better than TSR (in this one game but still).
Not sure if it's DLSS or something else, but I thought the lack of detail here on PC was rather interesting.
Texture not loaded in? In other shots sharpness and details are almost 1:1.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I figured it was something of the sort.
This is really annoying. They do these late PC ports but barely increase the graphical quality. This often results in inferior visuals overall in many cases such as GOWR, Uncharted 4, and this game to a lesser extent.
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Interfectum
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These comparisons is what is going to sell the PS5 Pro more than anything. Compare the system to high end gaming PCs instead of standard PS5.
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Bojji
Member
Ratched launched with texture loading issues so it seems like a common theme for nixxes. I think they don't have enough time for these ports.
Gonzito
Gold Member
They really have some good upscaling here. If it's not using ML it's even better than TSR (in this one game but still).
Texture not loaded in? In other shots sharpness and details are almost 1:1.
Its a good one yes, I was surprised actually because its almost as good as DLSS but I guess that maybe this custom solution might be restricted to their engine and they cant apply it to other games, although I am just especulating. But this is really good so far
llien
Banned
Please remind me at what price point does "high end gaming PC" start and elaborate why it should be compared to a $699 console.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
This is just silly. The Pro would end up looking worse 99% of the time and it isn’t aimed at people who game on high-end PCs. It’s meant to be a better PS5 and entice people to a high-end console experience.
Bojji
Member
Something like this could be shared between Sony studios instead of PSSR.
But we have almost zero info how it works and how heavy it is.
Madserb2023
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I am not sure if the method Guerilla used can be applied to games outside the Decima engine, but if it can they should drop PSSR for this.
intbal
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Um, the Sony games that use PSSR did it well. They have no reason to drop it.
kevboard
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I'm still here wondering what it is that prevents them from back porting this upscaler to base PS5.
it seems to be vastly superior to their CBR method... is it using ML in some way? and if so, does that mean developers can use the ML hardware of the Pro however they want and aren't limited to PSSR?
it seems to be vastly superior to their CBR method... is it using ML in some way? and if so, does that mean developers can use the ML hardware of the Pro however they want and aren't limited to PSSR?
Physiognomonics
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PSSR is software, not hardware. We don't know how Guerrilla do their own upscaling solution on PS5 Pro in this game. For now, it's exclusive to PS5 Pro.'PRO review'
'Is not using PSSR'
Fake
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I don't remember anyone saying PSSR is via software...
And PSSR is the selling point of PS5pro, no matter the spin.
Skifi28
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The selling point is performance levels with quality visuals which is achieved here. It doesn't really matter how they got there, there is no "spin"
diffusionx
Gold Member
PSSR, like DLSS, is an algorithm that runs off custom hardware. It’s not purely software, FSR is which is why it caught on quickly.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Pssr is a hardware based upscaler that utilizes AI cores inside the ps5 pro.
Fake
Member
Perfomance? Are you fucking kidding me?
PS5pro is all about PSSR. The bump in specs is not even that higher. Maybe the RT performance is superior than regular PS5.
Again, is a spin to say PSSR is not the reason for buying a PS5pro. If you agree or not is not the point.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Not really the point, its using the same hardware.
The way people are acting its like they think PSSR is some sort of physical device when its actually just an optional library supplied by Sony to leverage the GPU hardware.
And I have to say I loved the double-speak in this where the on one hand they called it a weakness when PSSR is fed sub-optimal data and creates sub-optimal output, but of course when DLSS output has flaws then it just has to be fault of the data being input...
Skifi28
Member
The point is to get great looking games while also running at 60+fps. It doesn't matter what acronym the devs used as their upscaling solution if the results deliver. I can't believe we're still bickering even in successful patches that look amazing. Other games too didn't use PSSR like Callisto and Lords of the fallen. Maybe they don't have the time to integrate it, maybe they discovered that their own solutions were faster. It doesn't matter, the result does.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
It’s the combination of PSSR+RT+Better GPU. Any of those alone wouldn’t justify a Pro. It’s when they all work together efficiently that it shines.
Plus, it’s possible they’re using ML for this upscaler, so they’d still be leveraging the Pro’s hardware.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
The first game was the first major showcase for DLSS.
Fake
Member
People wouldn't care to get a PS5pro without PSSR. A.I is the technology moving foward.
Same as PS4pro. Checkerboard Rendering was the reason to upgrade your base PS4 over PS4pro.
You guys are leaving those details out of the conversation. In conjuction or not, PSSR is the PS5pro selling point. Even Digital Foundry concluded that.
I'm not talking about the reasons each individual have to get PS5pro, but about the PR.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
???
The post I quoted was from someone who thought it was using PSSR. Clarifying that it isn't using PSSR is very much the point.
Imtjnotu
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Madserb2023
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I would say Forbidden West looks even better than the Sony games that use PSSR well though. Still better to use this method if they can. What if the method used for Forbidden West is even more performant. Would have no reason to use PSSR.
Fake
Member
People go to far to justify their acquisitions, thats all. And for Guerrila using their own tech, as impressive as might be, put PSSR in a tough spot.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
These are a lot of old games that are getting patched with PS5 Pro support, so maybe the devs decide right now PSSR doesn't show the game at its best compared to the tech they built around their engine. We will see what happens with games in development now.
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