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Digital Foundry: Indiana Jones And The Great Circle - Digital Foundry Tech Review - Xbox Series X|S - HDR Video!
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Corporal.Hicks
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Lumen was marketed as cheap dynamic GI that can run even on consoles, but it's very expensive. In black myth wukong I only saw 22% relative performance difference between PT and Lumen, so I suspected that less intensive RT GI could run faster than UE5 Lumen while looking better (Lumen has artefacts/noise issues) and this game proves it.
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Vick
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Nice! But it was kind of obvious through the video imo, as no card I've ever seen look that good.
John praises to the game in general here is the main thing for me, super excited to play this.
FalconPunch
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The more video I watch of this Indy game, the less impressed I am with the graphics. It’s really visually inconsistent. The texture are really lacking. Some parts look amazing and some look like last gen. Some of the buildings give some serious wall guy vibes and some of the other edges are so sharp, it looks like a cardboard cut out. The shadows when outdoors are seriously lacking.
It’s crazy too because some parts like the hair rendering and lighting are really good. Then you have the Jello looking water and that sand effect that John showed? Also the cloth material is really lacking for me. It looks quite last gen. Then the animations are really hit or miss.
I see strong dna of Wolfenstien the new order in this game as it relates to visuals. I’ll need to play it in series X once it’s out. For now though, watching the DF video on my 77 inch Oled, its visuals look off to me in many ways. Like some things are missing. Maybe the pc version will be more complete as it relates to lighting and shadowing but, as for the rest, it’s a serious
It’s crazy too because some parts like the hair rendering and lighting are really good. Then you have the Jello looking water and that sand effect that John showed? Also the cloth material is really lacking for me. It looks quite last gen. Then the animations are really hit or miss.
I see strong dna of Wolfenstien the new order in this game as it relates to visuals. I’ll need to play it in series X once it’s out. For now though, watching the DF video on my 77 inch Oled, its visuals look off to me in many ways. Like some things are missing. Maybe the pc version will be more complete as it relates to lighting and shadowing but, as for the rest, it’s a serious
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Cheap because it has a software fallback. Software Lumen is cheap compared to hardware Lumen. It’s still far more expensive than other techniques like probe-based GI, light maps, and all the traditional baking techniques.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
The sequel to riddick!?
John, stop i can only get so erect!
John, stop i can only get so erect!
twilo99
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It makes no sense to me as well but someone here mentioned art direction and maybe physics being a deciding factor for Halo ... could be, but I think it's silly internal "politics"
twilo99
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So they called it an engine ... cool
The problem with UE5 is nanite, the biggest scam ever.
James Sawyer Ford
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Tal Shiar Agent
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Looking forward to playing it when it comes to PS5.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
DanielG165
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It is expensive, even in its software form. In Stalker 2 on Series X, that title pushes the system to what feels like the very limit, and it utilizes software lumen for lighting and reflections (I believe on that second one), and nanite.
Negotiator101
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Sounds brilliant, no load times!
Fabieter
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It's just cheaper to use ue5 instead of manage your own shit.
Corporal.Hicks
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I'm not a fan of lumen, but nanite impressed me a lot in games like Hellblade 2 (even a simple rock on the ground has a lot of detail in this game), Black Myth Wukong, Robocop, or upcoming marvel 1943. There are also extremely impressive tech demos like the Matrix. Do you think similar level of detail can be achieved without nanite and still offer better performance?
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mckmas8808
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It always comes down to the money, huh? Sucks.
GymWolf
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Nanite is impressive and quite frankly, the best thing about ue5, you are correct.
Fabieter
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Ofc companys are supposed to make money. Cheaper cost means less risk.
balls of snow
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Machine Games cooked with this one. Well done.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
But what if it's at the risk of making a worse game?
Fabieter
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It's not like making an awesome engine like id7 is an easy task.
Corporal.Hicks
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Nanite looks amazing, but I was also impressed by how fast Nanite can render insanely detailed panoramas. Even my old GTX1080 was able to run UE5 tech demos when I set the lumen quality to the lowest possible level. It wasn't until I increased the lumen quality that the performance dropped to unplayable levels. My current GPU has enough power to run 'lumen GI' at a smooth frame rate, but I can still see annoying noise that reminds me of poorly encoded video.
For example black myth wukong looks great when I dont move the camera, but as soon I start moving the camera there's noticeable noise (especially around characters). At first I thought that maybe DLSS or FG is creating that noise, but nothing changed even when I turned off DLSS settings. Right now I'm playing Casting of Frank Stone, and although the graphics in this game look amazing, the noise ruins the experience.
I really hope that Epic will realise that there are better alternatives to their lumen GI. Indiana Jones or Metro Exodus both have dynamic GI that doesn't destroy performance and image quality.
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Senua
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Welcome to life
Desprado123
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For people who are claiming that TAA is better than DLSS/DLAA.
Supreme Setting TAA on 1440P.
DLAA on same setting.
Supreme Setting TAA on 1440P.
DLAA on same setting.
DenchDeckard
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Man IDTech just runs 60fps perfectly... And looks great!
It's mind boggling with all the tech under Microsoft's studios, such as IDTech, they chose UE5 for the future if Halo
Yeah doesn't make any sense to me.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It's insanely stupid if you ask me.
In that case they should have offered Halo to Machine Games or IDSoftware.....Man IDTech just runs 60fps perfectly... And looks great!
It's mind boggling with all the tech under Microsoft's studios, such as IDTech, they chose UE5 for the future if Halo
343 with IDtech gives me the same little confidence as 343 with UE5. In the latter case, at least you avoid the problem of the difficulty of hiring qualified people or training them.
Mister Wolf
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They'll just optimize it to make it more performant. Likely already have. Isn't the UE5 used for Stalker 2 very old?
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Corporal.Hicks
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Yes, STALKER 2 uses the old Unreal Engine 5.1. I tested Matrix Tech Demo 5.1 vs 5.3 and there was a big improvement in performance and stuttering between 5.1 and 5.3, but the stuttering was still annoying. Lumen GI noise was also there whether I was using software lumen or hardware lumen. IDK how many years it will take Epic to finally fix the problems with this engine.
Little Chicken
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I thought Series S was supposed to be holding everything back though 
ElFenomeno
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Series S keeps winning.
Panajev2001a
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Cheap to hire cheap contractors if you use UE5…
twilo99
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I thought Series S was supposed to be holding everything back though
It has been about software optimization from the very beginning… just like the PS5 pro the Xbox series S needs special patches and attention in order to get the most of it!
Shocking concept I know
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Dacvak
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I didn’t really have a lot of interest in this game before, but seeing this video makes me want to binge the first three movies and then play this.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Insane Metal
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Amazing job from the devs. Great game, looks amazing, runs damn well.
We have a possible GOTY!
I'd love to play this game. And I haven't felt like this in a long time.
We have a possible GOTY!
I'd love to play this game. And I haven't felt like this in a long time.
Thebonehead
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LectureMaster
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One of the best DF summaries my man has done.
ZehDon
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Their switch to Unreal Engine is less about the technology that Unreal offers, and more about them being able to hire contractors without needing to train them on their in-house engine before they're productive. Swapping to Id Tech doesn't solve that problem, even if it gets them off of BLAM!.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
I'm still waiting for Sony/Epic to release that first UE5 Tomb Raider demo, to date that's been the best visuals I've seen period along with the newer Lights demo, ffs guys just release it and let us have our 5mins wandering around going Ooooo & Aaaaahh before installing
