viveks86
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Yikes. You quoted me and I gave you the courtesy of a cordial response. I guess I didn't deserve a reciprocation. Carry on living in the real world.
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Dragon Age Veilguard director and Queerosexual Gendermancer Corinne Busche gone from BioWare
- Thread starter DonkeyPunchJr
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llien
Member
Gender dysphoria is not about sexual preferences.
bundylove
Member
Good
Hypereides
Member
"Gaming journalism" is becoming a joke of the highest order. They're doing everything to save face and their crumbling influence.
Meanwhile, small up-and-coming pro-consumer (a.k.a. "grifting") Youtubers like Smash are increasingly breaking more and more serious stories. Grub and his cohorts gotta feel some mixture of jealousy and contempt.
llien
Member
I speak 4 languages that belong to 3 different language groups. (English and German belong to the same group, who would have thought)
I want to tell you: bovine feces.
Also, leave poor eunuchs alone.
Fuck other species. We are primates.
So society "creates genders" but then, somehow, we have transgender people.
In pre "US went unhinged" times it was 1 in 333 boys and 1 in 1000 girls that had gender dysphoria. (and no, I would not laugh at people with t and yes, they can be fully normal or easily better than average people other than that)
llien
Member
What other franchises fell victim? ^^
Nickolaidas
Member
No, no - don't you get it? They are grifters, because, because uh, they are grifting with their, their, uh, the algorhythm, and um, the YouTube ads, and ... and - YOU ARE RACIST!!
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viveks86
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And? I speak 4 languages too (2 with gendered words). What of it?
You mean bull shit? Clever.
Huh?
So I can't even talk about other species? Got it.
Don't think you understand the origin of the word. Look up transgender etymology.
I don't disagree with that. There is certainly a social contagion at play and how widespread it is remains to be seen. Neither side of this furor is currently helpful. There's too much anger and resentment to have a meaningful conversation on the topic without people yelling... bovine feces.
Jaybe
Member
Wild times that Twitter users and YouTubers are the only ones doing journalism with sourcing now
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
We (all) are the media now. Internet blossoming after years of heavy censorship. Not saying things can't get better than they are, they can. But improvement as far as I'm concerned.
llien
Member
Indian eunuchs are "proof" that 'something something gender is something something'.
But no gendered verbs? Amateur.
Oh, also one with no gendered words at all, not even pronouns.
Try to beat that.
#linguisticpeen
Joking, although, yeah, that's how those languages really are. Also 2, 4, 6 and 7 cases.
Fuck, who can forbid us, primates, to talk about other species?
What about some arachnoids?
Given that there are spider species, which have male spiders repeatedly crawl into female spider mouth after "coitus", isn't it a prof that at some point it was totally fine for homo sapient females (a subgroup of primates) to kill and eat their male sex partners after ejaculation?
"was coined by the American psychiatrist John F."
Oh, American. Must be something really really really old.
Maybe even older than 100 years, chuckle.
I have no horses in this and really want to get what people with different take actually think. (which is rather hard with US "liberals")
The question is: if gender is a "social construct' where on earth did the kids (!!!) with gender dysphoria come from.
Or what about the failed Scandinavian "gender neutral" kindergartens experiment?
bundylove
Member
Its always in the medical industries interest to make people dependend on them.
Ergo they can make more money on drugs and treatments than they would make providing mental health.
And i can tell you there is a huge underfunding in our province when it comes to mental health.
I am a firm believer that there should be a greater emphasis on providing mental health to people and especially for people who struggle with gender dysphoria and alike. The suicide rate alone should be reason enough to really help them on a mental level.
And its not just for them but also for men who struggle with depression or other youth who are also struggling a lot due to school stress or other.
Its a fact that even people who transitioned still deal with a lot of mental health issues . Its not like their transition made them feel better about themselves hence the high suicide rate amongs them.
You can chop your dick off or your tits but you are still not who you want to be.
Acceptance starts in the mind.
lughnasadh123
Member
You're making it far more complex than it has to be as there's lot's of other labels to apply to a being, in this case, a woman. An old woman, tall woman, asian woman, skinny woman - all identifiers that we somehow can wrap our minds around. Being a Trans woman doesn't cheapen anything but add another layer of distinction to what we're talking about. So basically, we're wording shit as usual. Counterproductive and harmful? Nonsense.
lughnasadh123
Member
I'll jump to this since some of the rest veers into conspiracy theories that I'm not touching. First off, I and probably you will never know what it's like to be trans despite what we read or hear because that comes from going through the actually process. That's how they know. I've had anxiety issues including full blown agoraphobia and I guarantee you could read what it was like, sympathize with it, and perhaps from your own experience you might even empathize. But nothing prepares you for something except experiencing it.
Hero of Spielberg
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Just following plural title convention
simpatico
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The thing is guys, Bioware died more than a decade ago. Taking a quick glance at wikipedia, The last Bioware game (for me) was 2009's Dragon Age Origins. Once the scope of the Mass Effect franchise got ground down to a nub between 1 and 2, I knew something was amiss. I finished the trilogy and continued Dragon Age up to Inquisition. This is when I concluded Bioware died sometime in 2009. I had not the stamina to carry Inquisition through to its ending. But what I saw was obviously shorn by hands that did not touch Origins or its predecessors.
Kacho
Gold Member
These studios turned into ideological bubbles much like Hollywood. If you have the ‘right’ politics you will find a lot of opportunities that previously weren’t there.
This person was given a role that they clearly weren’t qualified for and the results speak for themselves. They’re running out of rope.
Twisted woke agenda. Twisted gender ideology. Twisted DEI. Mental health issue. Political climate. Entitlement. Moral degradation. Corruption. Greed. Allot of reasons.
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Touch fuzZy. get BizZay
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I hope they/them land on their feet. Or hooves, if they're also one of these deer ppl
cormack12
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Unknown Soldier
Member
Becoming? Bro gaming "journalism" has been a joke for at least a decade now if not longer
Barakov
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EXCLUSIVE: Corinne Busche OUT at BioWare, Edmonton Studio Closure Looms...
How the might have fallen...www.smashjt.com
Also rumors that BioWare Edmonton is next on EA’s chopping block.
The magazine era are the credible era, like EGM, PSM, Official PS Magazine, etc.
Complistic
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Don't forget
-Doesn't apologize.
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No I just don't prescribe to social media created conspiracy.
bundylove
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Stay naive stay stupid. Good luck
viveks86
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I feel like you have assumed a lot about what my response is going to be when I had said nothing about Hijra people. Hijra people, in my opinion, are not biologically different than either intersex or transgender people. Their existence does NOT signify there is some mythical third sex. They either have both sex characteristics, or neither, or are acutely gender dysphoric. So I would not argue that they are proof of a third sex. However, I have seen their lives. Amongst many things that India should be ashamed of, what that society has done to them is deplorable. They literally can’t get a job anywhere, are shunned socially (but ironically worshipped at the same time) and have no way to survive other than resorting to prostitution, or mugging which I’ve personally experienced. Over generations, this has left sufficient trauma for them to demand a third gender as a legal right. I can sympathize with that as they are unable to relate to either established genders anymore and would like specific legal protections for their group. I’m sure even my take on their condition is not nuanced enough and you really need to live their experience to empathize. But no, their existence isn’t proof for any argument I was going to make.
You are obviously joking here. Not in the mood for a pissing contest though. So I’ll pass. Your #linguisticpeen is bigger and better. Enjoy it!
Why resort to so many straw man arguments? I guess you are trying to say “don’t use nature’s bizarre ways as justification to normalize trans people”. I have not and would not.
Given that you mentioned German, I’m guessing you are European? Is this some kind of “my civilization is older than your civilization” superiority complex? I don’t even know what to say about that as I’m only American by choice. Not descent.
By most classifications, I would be a US liberal. And I’m trying my best here to convey my thought process. I hope it helps. It would be easier to understand if you don’t paint all of us with one brush. We all have unique lived experiences and convictions that come out of them. We are not a hive mind as people on the opposite side of the debate would like to believe and I disagree with a lot of stances that liberals take on this very topic. I will acknowledge the same for your side of the debate as well.
Just because it’s a social construct doesn’t mean it’s completely made up. It’s a social construct to represent a real psychological process behind reconciling self identity with one’s own biology. That’s where gender dysphoria comes from. So if someone wants to get rid of gender altogether, they are bound to fail, or at the very least, end up being counter productive. So I am with you on this. Raising kids as gender neutral is likely to cause more harm than good. But raising kids to attach traditional gender roles to their identity is something we can do away with. Girls should absolutely play with cars and trucks instead of doll houses, if that’s what they prefer. And boys can wear skirts, if that’s what they prefer. Forcing them against their will is when things go awry.
Like you said, a failed experiment. It’s counter productive to raise the majority in a way that caters specifically to the minority. Treat the minority with the special attention they need. Leave the majority out of it. But also educate the majority to be sensitive to the minorities’ needs. This should be the default way to handle most social issues, in my opinion.
Lionel Richie
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Right!
llien
Member
It does not make any sense.
For starters, having gender specific legal rights means violating UN charter on human rights.
It is a point demonstrating relevance of "but other species" argument.
No, it's a way to point out that the word in question is rather new.
I might have been better at US "liberal" nuances, hadn't most of my attempts ended with permanent bans.
Slightest hint of possible dissent, even just asking question is treated as heresy that must be purged by fire.
Anyhow, let's not derail.
So "not completely social constructed social construct" with something representing a "psychological process"?
Interesting.
So what makes a biological boy, who is being raised as a boy, insist he's a girl?
Please, do not trivialize gender dysphoria.
This is a discussion about male and female genders being made up ("a social constructs").
Not about whether people should be treated as inferior beings just for having gender dysphoria. Of course they should not.
Majormaxxx
Member
He came, he destroyed dragon age, he left.
*she *it *they etc
*she *it *they etc
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Yup.Funny how another game with a "hate campaign" against it went on to become the best selling game of 2023:
It's almost like normal people just want a fantasy game which isn't trying to pander to a mythical modern audience.
A game can have some DEI kind of stuff in it. COD has pride flags. FIFA has women's league players with stats as good as the male players. I remember people goofing on Kerr having like 90+ stat ratings being better than most male players.
But the key is it's not jammed in your face. Hey, maybe Howarts has some DEI-ish stuff too in it (I never played) it. But I definitely dont remember watching any preview videos or articles and it's pronouns and LBQT romances or white people bad kind of content gamers can pick apart. It doesnt help this stuff in DEI games cant be avoided. But in FIFA you can ignore the women's teams. That's the key thing studios making games that tank dont understand. You can actually have some inclusivity stuff in a game. You just better not lecture to everyone's face about politics.
Think of it like sports. Yankees and BoSox fans hate the other team. Nobody cares that every sports site covers the entire league, all teams, players and news. But key thing is you can avoid all the other teams. BUT, let's say ESPN TV and ESPN.com forced it so every user watching a game or checking the site had to see Yankees logos and news articles on every page even if youre a San Diego Padres fan. Yankee fans might like it, but nobody else would. Heck, I bet most Yankee fans wouldnt even like it either because it's stupidly jammed in.
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Alebrije
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viveks86
Member
I’m not a law expert and you are probably right. Just wanted to share my knowledge of their struggle since you brought them up.
As I said, that wasn’t my argument.
Certainly new. Earnest scientific study on gender dysphoria is new as well.
We can agree on that. It’s the reason I never signed up with Resetera. I feel even I would get banned there for not toeing the line, so your concern is legit.
Either gender dysporia, temporary confusion as part of growing up, or social contagion. I think we can agree on these. We may disagree on which factor is predominant these days. But honestly, it’s not my place to judge what’s real dysphoria and what’s not. Real psychologists need to make that determination. I certainly wish there was more scrutiny and rigor to that process. I will admit that it has been a shit show so far.
That point had nothing to do with gender dysphoria. I think we both understand dysphoria well enough. I just took a detour on what I think society could do better for the general upbringing of ALL kids.
But I already said it’s NOT made up and anybody suggesting it would be wrong. Like I said, not all US liberals think the same way.
If that’s your stance then I commend you. What I do want to highlight though is that this very thread shows not every person thinks that way. Half the posts here aren’t about the game director’s mediocre output (yes, I think the creative direction of dragon age is mediocre), but instead it’s about her gender. People are obsessed with what is obviously a flippant twitter bio. They ARE being treated as inferior beings. There is an undercurrent of resentment and even hatred that you can’t deny in many posts. I wish there was more kindness is all.
With that, I’ll let people get back on topic (whatever that actually is)
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
The key reason people pick about the director is multifold:
- Changed the game compared to old DA games
- Injected personal politics into the game. Even admits it
- Is a video game employee that loves the spotlight
- Blames gamers for Veilguard's failure
'Dragon Age: The Veilguard' Director Blames Failure on Hate Campaign
Dragon Age: The Veilguard director Corinne Busche recently attributed the game’s failure to a purported hate campaign and review bombing.
thatparkplace.com
If you put yourself out there on social media and Q&A sessions telling the world what you did to a game or blame gamers, youre ripe for remarks back.
CliffyB gets tons of hate and laughs. He's a straight guy. Reason why is gets nailed to the cross the past 10 years is because the games he makes the past decade havent been great and every once in a while he says something dumb on social media which people notice and laugh back.
COD gets tons of flak every year. Anything from milk job maps to mtx to same run and gun gameplay. There's shitload of people who work on COD. Key difference is its hard to pinpoint a gaming employee as a target because 99.9% are unknown and if something about the game sucks, people rag on it for what it is (bad gameplay or mtx greed). Nobody brings up politics because the games dont have any. The games are as simple to understand as it gets. Pick up a gun and shoot anything that moves. And in SP story, go through 10+ acts and kill the evil terrorist dude. Thats it. And any COD director or writer that has shown up I dont think tweets about personal stories and making COD SP campaigns and MP modes about personal gender politics.
Leave that stuff out of gaming and dont be a media whore and the target on your head disappears. Corrine Busch could had avoided all the laughs if he/she just kept a low profile like 99.99% of other workers in the world.
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viveks86
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Corinne was catching flak well before the game flopped. But I will agree that her response to the failure is clearly juvenile and indefensible.The key reason people pick about the director is multifold:
- Changed the game compared to old DA games
- Injected personal politics into the game. Even admits it
- Is a video game employee that loves the spotlight
- Blames gamers for Veilguard's failure
'Dragon Age: The Veilguard' Director Blames Failure on Hate Campaign
Dragon Age: The Veilguard director Corinne Busche recently attributed the game’s failure to a purported hate campaign and review bombing.
If you put yourself out there on social media and Q&A sessions telling the world what you did to a game or blame gamers, youre ripe for remarks back.
CliffyB gets tons of hate and laughs. He's a straight guy. Reason why is gets nailed to the cross the past 10 years is because the games he makes the past decade havent been great and every once in a while he says something dumb on social media which people notice and laugh back.
COD gets tons of flak every year. Anything from milk job maps to mtx to same run and gun gameplay. There's shitload of people who work on COD. Key difference is its hard to pinpoint a gaming employee as a target because 99.9% are unknown and if something about the game sucks, people rag on it for what it is (bad gameplay or mtx greed). Nobody brings up politics because the games dont have any. The games are as simple to understand as it gets. Pick up a gun and shoot anything that moves. And in SP story, go through 10+ acts and kill the evil terrorist dude. Thats it. And any COD director or writer that has shown up I dont think tweets about personal stories and making COD SP campaigns and MP modes about personal gender politics.
Leave that stuff out of gaming and dont be a media whore and the target on your head disappears. Corrine Busch could had avoided all the laughs if he/she just kept a low profile like 99.99% of other workers in the world.
bundylove
Member
Let me spell it out again for everyone in this thread.
Edmonton.
NDP
Liberal.
Company gets grant from NDP goverment for pushing woke stuff.
Sadly my wide has best friends there who work for the NDP
Its all business . Its all about survival. And sometimes you just have to take it up the ass to get the candy.
With that said, this thread should be closed
Edmonton.
NDP
Liberal.
Company gets grant from NDP goverment for pushing woke stuff.
Sadly my wide has best friends there who work for the NDP
Its all business . Its all about survival. And sometimes you just have to take it up the ass to get the candy.
With that said, this thread should be closed
lifa-cobex
Member
The key reason people pick about the director is multifold:
- Changed the game compared to old DA games
- Injected personal politics into the game. Even admits it
- Is a video game employee that loves the spotlight
- Blames gamers for Veilguard's failure
'Dragon Age: The Veilguard' Director Blames Failure on Hate Campaign
Dragon Age: The Veilguard director Corinne Busche recently attributed the game’s failure to a purported hate campaign and review bombing.
If you put yourself out there on social media and Q&A sessions telling the world what you did to a game or blame gamers, youre ripe for remarks back.
CliffyB gets tons of hate and laughs. He's a straight guy. Reason why is gets nailed to the cross the past 10 years is because the games he makes the past decade havent been great and every once in a while he says something dumb on social media which people notice and laugh back.
COD gets tons of flak every year. Anything from milk job maps to mtx to same run and gun gameplay. There's shitload of people who work on COD. Key difference is its hard to pinpoint a gaming employee as a target because 99.9% are unknown and if something about the game sucks, people rag on it for what it is (bad gameplay or mtx greed). Nobody brings up politics because the games dont have any. The games are as simple to understand as it gets. Pick up a gun and shoot anything that moves. And in SP story, go through 10+ acts and kill the evil terrorist dude. Thats it. And any COD director or writer that has shown up I dont think tweets about personal stories and making COD SP campaigns and MP modes about personal gender politics.
Leave that stuff out of gaming and dont be a media whore and the target on your head disappears. Corrine Busch could had avoided all the laughs if he/she just kept a low profile like 99.99% of other workers in the world.
-Character models are straight from The Sims 4
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
When it comes to media, best to stay out of the spotlight and don’t bring personal stuff into the product. Most don’t. But creative types seem love it.
Or else what happens is the internet community will fight back whether it’s laughs, trolling or genuine feedback.
If this person got laughed at even before veilguard thats simply life as people like to make fun of certain hot topics. Again, it also doesn’t help when people push their personal lives on social media to the masses too.
Social media and attention whoring are best left for people who can handle it or they are pretty universally loved (like the guy who makes Mario and whomever works at From Software). But even when people rag on the game (Mario and Souls like games might be repetitive) it’s hard for the masses to rag on them because they don’t promote themselves much and definitely not in gender political ways where the game gets adjusted to fit their personal life. So the criticism is relegated to the game with no politics able to be involved.
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Firestartah
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I mean what jobs do you think they could do? construction? retail? McDonalds - they would flip out in 2h. These people have wokeness as their personality it is all they know and think about, ofc they gonna try online or office jobs and since studios are bloated af with hundreds of people, they go there since they are given a chance so the company meets a quota and Blackrock is happy.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Since DEI is starting to turn the past year or so as companies flip policies and wokeish products tank this is a blessing in disguise for many people.
For all you good natured workers who couldn’t score a decent job because a company was focused on DEI quota hires , job openings might pop again. You never know.
Angry_Megalodon
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Even if we ignore her personal profile, her merits and professional experience make her a poor fit for the RPG director position. People put the focus on her identity because that's the reason why she was chosen.
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