poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Thing is you can do that with FSR to replace DLSS and sometimes vice versa if FSR is implemented as a .dll.
You should be able to just replace FSR with PSSR if you have access to the code.
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Eurogamer "Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora is another PS5 Pro patch that arguably looks worse than the standard PS5 version. What's going on?"
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You should be able to just replace FSR with PSSR if you have access to the code.
family_guy
Member
Right, but not testing it to see if it actually looks good is a failure of the devs.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
SH2 does have Pro support, it still retains the Hardware RT and PSSR in the Quality mode. They just removed PSSR from the Performance mode.
Also, it never used FSR. It was always UE5's own TSR, which is better than FSR.
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Shake Your Rump
Member
All games published in the months leading up to the PS4 Pro were already certified Pro enhanced and everything looked great out of the gate. Sony specifically ensured that games ran as they should while mandating Pro enhancements.
PS5 Pro was shotgunned to store shelves with no formal program in place to control the insane number of graphic modes being added and seemingly left developers to slap PSSR without even checking the results. Are the developers/publishers even testing these updates?
PS5 Pro was shotgunned to store shelves with no formal program in place to control the insane number of graphic modes being added and seemingly left developers to slap PSSR without even checking the results. Are the developers/publishers even testing these updates?
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
I was told what makes console a plug and play experience, is because there are stringent checks by the console makers in place to make sure the game perform as well as possible. You don’t need to tinker
Dorfdad
Gold Member
I believe Sony wanted to release this ASAP so they could quickly assess its strengths and weaknesses in the market. They hoped all developers would invest significant time and resources in learning the new tech, maximizing its potential on the PS5 and PS6 and beyond. However, in reality, most developers will likely spend limited time and resources on older games. It won’t show significant benefits until late 2025 games, and I don’t think most developers will invest in researching development and chasing lost money. They’re looking for Sony to provide a magic pill, and PSR 1.0 won’t do that. In a few years, it might, but for now, developers need to do their part.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
DF Weekly: Avatar is the latest PS5 Pro patch that looks worse than the base PS5 game
Digital Foundry addresses the bizarre trend to PlayStation 5 Pro upgrades that can look arguably worse than the standard PS5 version.www.eurogamer.net
Hulst!!!!!
for five minutes, can there not be a new variant? FOR FIVE MINUTES!!!
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Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
Double post
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Roufianos
Member
Hey, it's my first one since 2020. Only £35 also. I hate giving Yves money but too big of a Star Wars fan.
TheRedRiders
Member
Sebastian1295
Neo Member
I didn't buy a ps5 pro nor care to buy one because the PSSR tech they're using in it is essentially a beta test before they launch the ps6 years from now. They launched PSSR knowing that there would be issues with it because it's new, and so they launched a mid gen refresh console to be the beta tester for said tech. Once the ps6 is out i expect PSSR to be vastly improved and all of the kinks in it to be ironed out.
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mansoor1980
Member
investigating.......................
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
all this negative shit around the Pro is making me feel better about my FOMO, i wouldn't mind treating myself to some shiny new tech for xmas but i can't justify this especially with so many issues and not enough of a quality leap, helps that im just playing Cyberpunk at the mo and there's no mention of Pro support for it so that kinda put the nail in the coffin as well, guess ill hold off and see if Samsung give me a reason to upgrade my S22 Ultra in January
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midnightAI
Member
Its still up to devs if they implement it or not though, if their game looks worse after turning it on its up to the devs to either fix their game so it works (if possible) or, just dont enable it.
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Sebastian1295
Neo Member
Ohh i agree 100% but the sad fact is that alot of developers are incompetent nowadays. I mean we used to have devs who could work with nes, snes, and n64 hardware flawlessly and nowadays we got people who can't even get games running on the ps5 and series x because they don't know how to optimize crap. The industry has gotten complacent and alot of games are coming out like a broken mess sadly.
I feel like if devs aren't comfortable with using PSSR then they should just not use it like you said and just use the extra gpu power to increase resolution, etc and i don't understand why they're not doing so. Honestly the ps5 pro fiasco going on right now with PSSR is just further exposing the incompetent devs from the good ones.
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Loboxxx
Member
As they say in DF, it is inexplicable how they can release these patches, with such obvious visual bugs and the developers don't care. What can be a claim of new sales, you destroy it for not having a minimum quality control of your own work.
When there are so many cases, Sony has to put solutions to all this.
When there are so many cases, Sony has to put solutions to all this.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I think with a system like this, its the manufacturers job to ensure it is easy to implement an improvement. If pro patches require considerable more work than a PS4 Pro patch / One X patch then why are they going to bother?
ozz ex machina
Member
What is the data on extra sales for things like a "pro patch". I suspect the work invested vs the return is absolutely not worth it for these developers. Sony has clearly massively dropped the ball on this as it's not just a one off.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
I guess the problem might be that PS5 pro buyers are the smallest group of console owners out there. The fire their outrage sparks might not get hot enough for Sony to register.
It'll be interesting to see if people will keep buying the pro with the expectation that Sony will issue an update, or if they'll hold off buying until the update arrives.
King Dazzar
Member
As much as its great to get confirmation that Ubisoft are looking into it. Firstly, they released it knowingly aware of how bad it looked. And secondly their customer support has been notoriously awful for years. We may well get a patch, but I'm not holding my breath for it be revolutionary. They may well simply revert back to base mode.
gooner4life_uk
Member
As a large community we absolutely should be bombarding Sony to let them know the PS5 Pro is simply not good enough as it is, they need to get the Ice team working with developers to ensure the pro patches are dropping in good shape.
Toots
Gold Member
What is going on ?
Used to be, buying a console for twice the price meant you had twice the power to play games the best way you could.
Not anymore.
Now, the more expenisve console has worst IQ, and your 61.000$ digital game collection isn't yours anymore because you posted a pic of a womans ass online, instead the blue haired non binary horned furry ass the Democrats wanted you to post.
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What is going on ?
Used to be, you bought a 800$ console and was respected and admired by others.
Not anymore.
Now, it turns you gay.
sorry im listening to cumtown at work too much these days 
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
There is only so much Sony can do when developers work. Yes, they can aid, show them how to do it, etc, but it’s up to the developer to make sure they have a competent, optimal product to submit.
Sony’s responsible for the hardware and PSSR, and because the group of games that are good (with/without the upscaler) vastly outnumbers the bad patches (as I’ve shown), the devs in question either need further help (if they want to use PSSR) or skip it altogether (which should be easy - and makes way more sense).
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Yah, since the onus is also on Sony to reject the pro patch update that make the game worse than before.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Yep, that’s the largest issue. They put it out that way!
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
They might not have known, I can imagine that Digital Foundry will have done more nit-picking comparisons than developers do, for them it'll be a case of getting the game to run as best it can on hardware with the tools they have within the timeframe that they have.
I think there's a good chance that Sony have mandated certain things to qualify for a pro upgrade - must use PSSR, must offer a 60fps mode, must offer a 4k mode (or something, I don't know if all Pro versions have 60fps/4k, but just for the sake of argument). And so Ubisoft have ticked the boxes that Sony require - does the game run at 60fps? Is it running with PSSR? I find it unlikely that Sony would mandate something as amorphous as "must look better" because that's not something easily quantifiable.
gooner4life_uk
Member
The games that have issues don't need DF type nitpicking - SH2 was a shimmering mess, I bought the Pro because i was sick of the IQ issues on games this gen, Avatar looks similar, it's blatantly obvious, what i think is nitpicking is DF saying GT7 looks softer in some pro-modes vs base PS5, it's so subtle you can't tell even side by side only zoomed in several times, but then you get on track RT etc, that shit is ridiculous to even mention, nobody will pick it up, but where it's bad, it's obviously bad and there's no way Remedy, Ubi, Bloober etc put these patches out and didn't realise the game looks shit now.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
I think my point is more that I don't think devs are going to be comparing the games to different versions in order to make them better, more like they'll doing the work that Sony asks for to hit the criteria to qualify for a PS5 Pro badge.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
If I was these devs I would literally stop all PSSR patches and just do a 30 percent resolution upgrade with the same performance and then say. This is what the system allows. Talk to Sony.
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This is not how works. They need data from third parties to train better the algorithm. PSSR being bad probably is precisely because Sony only trained with their own dataset. They simply should have to release as beta state how Nvidia did with DLSS, where only selected titles had implemented
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They can train models in hours with the hardware I'm supposing they have. The main issue is all about ML is trial and error with datasets, configurations, etc
King Dazzar
Member
To know they simply needed to have looked.
Multiple other games have met the label requirements without using PSSR.
Justin9mm
Member
Who buys a Pro to play in 30fps? Who cares PSSR is in quality mode.
I just assumed it was FSR but in any case, the TSR is still shit in performance mode.
The game even on Pro runs poorly in performance. The 30fps cutscenes look terrible and at one point glitches out in a scene with Maria and slows to about 15fps. Bloober is a shit dev!
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Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
My point remains that Sony are likely asking Pro releases to meet certain criteria, not that they must look better (though you would reasonably expect the criteria to facilitate a better looking game).
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Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Robocop isn't Pro patched. Diablo 4's patch isn't good as all it does is raise dynamic res slightly in performance mode. There are supposedly improvements to the 30 fps fidelity modes RT but see for yourself that mode feels like garbage to play.
The problem with "Good" vs "Bad" lists is that tells us very little about the actual state of these games. Baulders Gate for instance looks hardly better than it used to despite having a higher resolution ...NX gamer did a video on this. The framerate gains a few frames ...nothing that stands out over the many "boost mode" improvements to non patched games. Black Ops 6 patch is a questionable one too.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
The point is made. Most Pro patches have been successful, despite claims of otherwise from folks such as yourself. Not every patch is going to be transformative, but most of them damn sure aren’t bad!
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Hopefully Digital Foundry get around to covering most of the games on your list so it gets the benefits out there, because currently I think the vibe around the pro is pretty bad.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Eh, only for people who’ve chosen to focus on the bad. As shown, most Pro patches aren’t bad, so as my dude
Vick
put it - most of these articles of poor patches have been used for platform warring and little else. At least around here. In the absence of an agenda, the far fewer problematic games wouldn’t dominate the discussion. Now, this doesn’t mean that they should be ignored, or that Sony shouldn’t investigate/get on top of things (if they haven’t), but exceptions are never rules and the loudest noise often comes from a minority. Why are most of the Stellar
updates hardly discussed in topics like these?
Topher
put it best - controversy gets the attention.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
er .. ok .. but you should still remove it from your curated list of Pro patched games, it doesn't have one yet.
Vick
Gold Member
Completely absent Ray Tracing in Dead Rising (Opaque and Transparent Reflections), Callisto Protocol (Opaque and Transparent Reflections/Shadows), Gran Turismo 7 (Opaque Reflections), F1 (Opaque and Transparent Reflections, AO) added into 60fps Modes only on Pro, and plenty of other games with improved/added RT features..
Yeah, a 30% increase in resolution only is indeed all this system allows..
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So how is GT7 using PSSR and Raytracing at the sametime for in cockpit views while driving if it's not trained on it at all?
Bojji
Member
GT also has issues with RT+PSSR
Ratchet and spider man use PSSR + only RT reflections, correct? Maybe also RT shadows?
The most issues seem to come from RT AO, RT GI and some forms of normal SSAO as well (like in SB and DD2).
Vast majority of Sony games don't have any RT so if they trained PSSR only on them this would explain the issues.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Correct me if I'm wrong but no sony FP game has had RTGI, so if they trained PSSR on their own games like Horizon, Spider Man etc, they've been trained on games with no RT or very specific types of RT.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
GT7 has some issues with RT+PSSR, but it's overall better than what's available on base PS5. We've seen it in action already, so no need to be weird about this. Some games have some issues with DLSS 3.7, but it doesn't mean it's not done well.
Things don't have to be perfect, to be good. There are some games that use PSSR and it's HORRIBLE! GT7 isn't even close to the class.