Use the god damn spoiler tag.
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FRIDAYTON MK II: 5.5 million bears and salmon create unholy allliance to sack SONY HQ
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Use the god damn spoiler tag.
you call pc gamers rich bastards? i feel dirty rich now.
How is this the thread that spoiled the last of us for me. Fucking prick.
Sorry fixed. Typing on iPhone
Nice that you added spoiler tags. Too late for me though.
Damn internet keeps spoiling things for me. I was reading a cast list for the movie Oblivion and the cast list spoiled a twist in the movie. A fucking cast list. Why would a cast list be mentioning spoilers.
omg, post of the thread. i love you.
Alebrije
Member
What have you done....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PrivateWHudson
Member
I may be totally off base, but here's how I had it broken down in my mind.
CPU's are weak laptop versions, so more processing was going to be off loaded.
PS4 - off loaded to the gpu and excess ram.
One - off loaded to the cloud.
Now ps4 doesn't have that excess ram, so we potentially have gaming overhead (p2p hosting, ai, lighting) eating into the already almost equal ram pool. So ps4 may have faster, but less ram. While the xbox has more, but slower ram + that eSRAM stuff. I don't know how this really translates to gaming, but it doesn't feel like the slam dunk it was yesterday.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
Yeah, that shinobi post makes a lot of sense.
Fast ram does make a difference, 4.5gb dedicated to games, another 1gb if developers want it, 1.5gb being used currently for the OS, another 1gb locked for the OS for new features.
god, that microsoft thing really worked for some people.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
All I'm saying is DF keeps making up shit regardless of whether this is true or not.
Ya, you're way off base.
mangochutney
Member
Oculus Rift must sure take up a lot of RAM.
And where are you getting this crap from? Some how using RAM for the OS = TV/SPORTs? or were you under the impression somehow that sony would not have any apps on the PS4? That there would be no netflix, hulu and whatever else is available on PS3/Vita and that having that some how makes the focus not games?
FairXchange
Member
No, sir. Not the way it works.
How dare you fucking spoil Assassin's Creed.
RustyNails
Member
That is a pretty big spoiler. It is revealed somewhere around 1/3rd of the game. I don't care if your dumb ass does not believe it's not a spoiler.
so sold on a ps4 if this were to come about.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Well PS4 does still have a GPU that's 50% more powerful than Xbox One. I'm curious to see how much difference that actually makes in the games. Launch titles don't seem to show much of a difference if any, though.
dat 120 bro
Alebrije
Member
Ho Come on !!! two games spoiled on a few minutes....
Mike Works
Member
IF YOU JUST GOT SPOILED FROM THAT PREVIOUSLY UNMARKED THE LAST OF US SPOILER AND ARE KIND OF UPSET, I SUGGEST YOU READ THIS (it relates to the spoiler and will probably make you feel better):
You find out that Ellie is infected earlyish on in the game... I'd say in the first 15-20% of it. So it's annoying that he posted that, as I hate spoilers just as much as anyone else, but it's not a game-changing Sixth Sense level spoiler.
I mean for the likes of Titan or any other card with a quantity of GDDR5 close to the PS4. $1000 for the whole package isn't that much since you're buying something to be used for more than playing games. But for someone who wants games alone with similar performance at a fraction of the cost, the PS4 is the perfect alternative to a gaming PC.
For now, anyway.
1) How many people truly care for 60fps outside of enthusiasts who are likely to buy a gaming PC anyway?
2) How many PS4 games have you sampled so far?
You can't just offload GPU tasks to memory. That's not how memory works... The RAM doesn't actually calculate anything.
All of the prior advantages we knew about are still there. The only difference is devs can't be as sloppy with their memory management for a little while until Sony reduces the memory footprint of the OS. The Xbone having an extra 512 mbs of slow ass DDR3 available doesn't really do anything to level the playing field.
dragonbane
Member
This is not what Eurogamer said though. It puts the thing way more into perspective that Sony is just future-proofing and not that the OS is allocating 3.5 GB of RAM just because. The numbers are the same, but not the message. Eurogamer made it sound like that this is bad news. Shinobi's post and that of the other insiders are saying that Sony is just playing it strategic and devs will get all the RAM they need over time, because they don't need it right now. Point is, Eurogamer is fishing for hits yet again by making the story more dramatic, while the actual thing happening is mostly positive and reasonable.
Mabe now those select dick wavers can stay out of X1 threads and stop shitting them up with the OS ram thing? Hope for nice things...
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
Hi. My name is miDnIghtEr20C. And I have just had The Last of Us spoiled for me.
Nice to me.
Nice to me.
Could've used better textures ;D
PrivateWHudson
Member
Please enlighten me. Does p2p multi player not take away resources from the host machine lowering the bar?
zeopower6
Member
It really depends on how you look at it. And honestly, after all the complaints about the PS3's OS being laggy/slow (though I honestly never really experienced lag outside of trophy sync) I'm not surprised they're future-proofing like this.
Beerman462
Member
XB1 has 5032 MBs of ram for games
PS4 has 5512 MBs of ram for games
PS4 only 9% more powerful than XB1 confirmed!!!!
PS4 has 5512 MBs of ram for games
PS4 only 9% more powerful than XB1 confirmed!!!!
dragonbane
Member
You don't really. It happens in the first 5% of the game. Don't worry. It sucks, but nothing major.Hi. My name is miDnIghtEr20C. And I have just had The Last of Us spoiled for me.
Nice to me.
On the PS3?
I don't think you could've interpreted that comment more wrong.
xaosslug
Member
Sony's GDC surprise...? :-O
SEGAvangelist
Member
Whichever way the spin goes, both stories say 4.5-5.5GB is available which is different than the 7GB people assumed would be available. That's all I'm getting at.
After asking personal contacts about the situation, I have deduced the following:
1. The RAM situation on PS4 is the most ideal form imaginable.
2. Sony has provided a huge amount of quality RAM.
3. RAM allocations for future OS improvements are in place for any unaccounted for additions that may require OS to bloat in the future.
4. No one developer has argued that there isn't enough RAM. Not a single one.
5. "If a developer cannot figure out what to do with 5+ GBs of RAM; he should quit his day job."
This is all I can contribute, and if some of you feel like cutting each other's throats because those 3 GB will not be available on day 1; I don't know what to tell you. I don't have hard numbers, but I am told to ignore the pessimism because reality is far from what the picture Apocalypse-GAF is painting.
As for the Apocalypse-GAF: continue ignoring Verrendus, famourmortimer, I, and Bruceleeroy. I'm out ya'll.
Making assumptions about something that was never officially addressed and then getting mad about it is their own damn fault.
freefornow
Member
Interesting thread title. Nothing to see here.
If this was a Xbox One story, I'm sure the thread title would be clearly spelled out. Word for word. And more than likely bolded!
If this was a Xbox One story, I'm sure the thread title would be clearly spelled out. Word for word. And more than likely bolded!
I think the whole story would only make sense if MSFT's TvTvTv presentation would have been a huge success and if there would have been a big outcry that Sony doesn't support such things. In this case I'd understand that they want to catch up and add those features too.
In reality it was completely the other way around. The whole Internet started to complain about MSFT'S attempt and Sony was praised into heaven for concentrating on a gaming machine. Everything just told them they're on the right track. Why would they try to catch up on something that they can clearly see is not wanted.
After all they have done until now it just doesn't make any sense. It's like they would now trash the dual shock 4 after all the praise and add a pad with touch screen similar to Wii U's because they see how bad it's selling.
In reality it was completely the other way around. The whole Internet started to complain about MSFT'S attempt and Sony was praised into heaven for concentrating on a gaming machine. Everything just told them they're on the right track. Why would they try to catch up on something that they can clearly see is not wanted.
After all they have done until now it just doesn't make any sense. It's like they would now trash the dual shock 4 after all the praise and add a pad with touch screen similar to Wii U's because they see how bad it's selling.