StereoVsn
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Yeah, they went completely nuts with the narrative and the characters. Which leaves me 0 hope for Wolverine.
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Ghost of Yotei allegedly being written by the same people who wrote Dragon Age Veilguard
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Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Ahhh. A game specific term. I was scouring the internet, wading through wikipedia, urban dictionaries... and found this:
Beach Armored Recovery Vehicle!
Was starting to feel ashamed of my ignorance. Now, not so much!
You just admitted to not watching the mandatory DEI lecture for all gamers. I'd watch out if I was you.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
sony annnd ms bertayed me with dei crud buuut xbox is sega now goodbye thank you for third party games lie down on my fat but and play switch 2 im sorry my friends
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Imagine being part of a dev team making this. And then the bosses green light it as good content.You "misgender" a mentally ill person, and then do this
An entire office building of retards.
Well, the point of it is to make trans people people feel better about themselves seeing a mislabeler (lol) do push ups in front of everyone. And it came from Corinne Bushe trans writer representing the entire group.
It's very rare you see anyone in a video game doing push ups to begin with. But to see it in a cut scene, related to trans people and given its own name "barve", that's some quality creative genius even Shakespeare would be proud of.
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Topher
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Hopefully SBI has no hand in any of this shit. I would bet real money that the writers at Insomniac probably knew the stuff SBI was putting in was shit, but they were too scared to say anything. I get the impression that one does not speak out about woke shit at studios in California. And this isn't a Sony thing. It is an industry thing.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Making up words and misusing words and forcing others to use them is how they get their power. They/Them is even starting to be an issue in court, people think you're talking about more than one person during proceedings.
These people need to be shut down. You don't get to change the language, and you can't actually change gender. You can just pay someone to mutilate your body.
genesisblock
Member
What on earth are you talking about? There should be a rule that the user has to re-read the comment at least 2 times before responding. I did not say this was common or acceptable openly, I said this was nothing “new” because the video makes it seem that the lesbian scene was unheard of in Japan and a forced attempt to check the DEI box.
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Jack Videogames
Member
Without daring open the post at work... it's "Dream of the fishermen's wife" isn't it
simpatico
Member
Did you check the source links on Wiki? One is a 200 page pamphlet they’d use as middle school study material. C’mon man
Topher
Identifies as young
Did you? One of those sources is a book called "Samurai Women"
Samurai Women 1184–1877
From when the Empress Jingo-kogo led an invasion of Korea while pregnant with the future Emperor Ojin, tales of female Japanese warriors have emerged from Japan's rich history. Using material that has never been translated into English before, this book presents the story of Japan's female...
books.google.com
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Astray
Member
He used to pretend to be a woman and catfish people into paying for stolen feet pics on OnlyFans.
Some people were actually caught buying them from him lmfao
Look at this tweet and the replies for more, that fool actually untagged himself from it and basically confirmed it.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Astray
Member
He's one of the people who deserve bullying rofl.Oh wow, amazing stuff!. And people paid for that shit too….
Never seen anyone grift as openly as that guy.
Boss Mog
Member
It was all in the reveal thread I think.I’m going to need some receipts for this.
viveks86
Member
Though I agree with your sentiment, are you really surprised, after all we have seen in the world, that subordinates are willing to put up with shit and comply with top-down instructions to keep their jobs? It's hard to blame the whole team when we have no idea how each of them actually felt about it, regardless of what they may say publicly. Certainly Corrine and higher ups are to blame. I'm sure some were enthusiastic about it, but all of them? We are going to have to flip a coin for the rest, so I'd rather not flip at all.
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Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Ha! Good scam imo. When I was in my teens I used some girls pics to pretend to be a lesbian and get other girls pics. ha! good times back in the day.
Topher
Identifies as young
That's pretty much why I don't think Sucker Punch will have much like that. I imagine there will be some stuff like there was in GoT, but that was minor and subtle. I don't think we will see the in your face shit like with SM2 and Veilguard.
That is my hope, at least.
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Putonahappyface
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In the real world, most people don’t give a shit. People will buy and play if it looks cool.
Name the ‘woke’ ones there. Because I just checked it out and you’ve gotta be kidding me
Embearded
Member
With the exception of Masako which to be honest is a very grounded case of homosexuality, I don't remember anything else.
I too hope they will not infect it with dei and the Japanese part of Sony will intervene.
Topher
Identifies as young
That's all I recall as well. I didn't see anything wrong with it.
ComputerBlue
Member
You mean the same voice actor who worked on games like Apex Legends, Call of Duty, FF Rebirth, WOW, Code Vain, CyberPunk 2077, Starfield, Halo Infinte and Pacific Drive? You're right, total failure....
How many of those were main lead roles? Final Fantasy is additional voices ffs. Go ahead cherry pick, I can do that too and point out that her character in Apex, Destiny and Dragon age is gay or bi or someshit completely dismissing every other one of her roles. Unless you’re blind you see a pattern with these things, especially with certain companies like Sony and EA. It’s tiring, just like scruffy white male was tiring in the PS360 era.
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FalsettoVibe
Member
Curious. What gay/ bi characters did she play in those games? Or any game.
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viveks86
Member
True. But the way to fix that trust issue is not a blanket moratorium on all "triggering" topics, right? They just have to handle those topics with more sincerity and depth, if it makes sense at all in the game's context. It certainly made no sense in dragon age, at least not the way they presented it. "Barv" my ass!
But to pretend ancient Japan didn't have homosexuals, or avoid even fictitious stories to be told about them is just pandering to the opposite extreme. People are way too eager to raise pitchforks these days. They need to chill and watch an orangutan do yoga
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ComputerBlue
Member
Valkyrie in Apex, I don’t know the characters name from Destiny, and she’s the playable character in Dragon Age, Rook.
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MAX PAYMENT
Member
No. It was completely spot on. All significantly worse sequels.
poodaddy
Member
If you really just checked it then I think you might need a vision test, or perhaps a tutor to assist with reading comprehension, but I've got a few moments and I'd love to help, so here's a few key selections.
Dream Daddy, A Dad Dating Simulator
Destiny 2
Both Vampire The Masquerade series
All three Monster Proms
Elsinore
Afterparty
Max Gentleman Sexy Business
Last of Us Part 2
Rogue Company
Marvel's Avengers
Werewolf The Apocalypse Vancouver By Night
Candle nights, (if you don't think that's woke then....I don't know what your barometer is, but it's broken)
And Then
Apex Legends, Stories from the Outlands
The Big Con
Many people consider Deathloop woke, but I don't so I'm giving it a pass. I think people just consider it woke because there's black people, but there's nothing woke about it at all.
Saints Row
Mortal Kombat 1
Starfield, (Again, I don't really consider it but most do)
Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur
Stray Gods Orpheus
Maxie Lawow: Drag Superhero
And, of course, everyone's favorite: Dragon Age Veilguard.
Huh, you're right man, hardly anything there. My mistake, definitely doesn't have much experience in woke media, that's only 24 titles subtracting the 3 that are generally considered woke that I disagree with, eh that's next to nothing right?
.....right?
Kacho
Gold Member
Well it's complicated in my opinion. Obviously a blanket moratorium isn't the answer, but with such a large portion of the market hyper sensitive to any kind of inclusion what do you do? Trust has completely eroded and it will take years to gain it back.
Should we ban all black characters? No. No one wants that. Do we need they/them support character in Assassin's Creed? Probably not.
Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
Of course. It's Sony, one of the most DEI-riddled game companies on the planet.
You can fully expect this out of all their upcoming studios.
You can fully expect this out of all their upcoming studios.
viveks86
Member
Tricky indeed. Just push through and speak from the heart, I guess? There will be a phase of chaos and cancellations, but sincerity will always show in the final output. Anything else will destroy the artform and we will end up with the contemporary equivalent of space marines and piss filters.
Wait, they did that too? Oh FFS...
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Nobody would claim there's no gay people in ancient Japan. Or any other era. Pretty sure there were gay cavemen while they huddled around campfires.
But why is it so important to have political hot topics like gay plot lines in a game? Or to take established franchises and change up the political feature set of the story or characters? Or have a game based in feudal Japan have a black samurai instead of simply having.... a Japanese guy? Or to have writers preach politics and barve push ups?
That's like injecting sexuality in a sports game where all players (or create a player) get tagged as gay or straight. And that's real life where some pro athletes have actually come out of the closet as gay too. So if it's true in real life, why not do it FIFA or Madden?
Even if you ignore real life people and focus strictly on fiction, adding content like this is begging for criticism. No different than purposely adding in religion saying the lead character is a Sunday church goer who wears a cross all day.
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SEGAvangelist
Member
I welcome the dumpster fire. It turns into great content.
Kacho
Gold Member
I think most people can pick up when things are genuine or not. Devs just need to have more restraint and be more thoughtful about what they chose to include and when.
Yeah, it was leaked in the artbook yesterday. One of those "but why?" decisions that do more harm than good IMO.
viveks86
Member
FFS! Lol
ChorizoPicozo
Member
define this
viveks86
Member
Don't say Nobody. I present to you, somebody:
Might be joking. I actually can't tell. But there are enough people out there who believe this is a new phenomenon.
It's not so important that it should permeate everything. I agree that it is a major problem today due to ideological tyranny and corporate need to pander for the liberal $$$. But why should they not exist at all? Why make any story at all? What is considered "political" today is not political tomorrow. Topics like women's ability to vote or slavery were so political back in the day that talking about it could get you killed. Anything under the Sun (or beyond) can (and should) be a story. What matters is the intention behind the story, the skill of story telling and if it provokes any thought or emotion.
But a sports game is not trying to tell a story. This is a strawman argument. A game like GoY is literally a collection of stories. Everything is an "injection". Unless it's a factual documentary, injecting stuff is the core of story telling. But if FIFA or Madden does attempt to entertain with a story like in the F1 games or NFS, then they should absolutely be allowed to tell any story. All we can hope is that it's a story worth telling. For example, the checklist crap in Spiderman 2 aren't stories worth telling. The entire Taash storyline seems so run of the mill and boring that it reads like an HR lecture. They don't hold a candle to Lady Masako's story. Still not a great story, but there is a giant gulf between the former and latter. I hope you see where I'm going. Bill's story in TLOU was phenomenal, both in the game as well as in the show. People may not like the themes, but it was objectively well done.
Then let it be criticized. I would rather have it out there, open to criticism and public roasting, than advocate any type of external or self-censorship.
I have no issues with this either, even though I'm not religious. Some of the greatest works of art are inspired by religion/God. If anything, there should be more stories and they too should be celebrated. As a former theater artist myself, I've acted in plays that celebrated religious themes. Avoiding such stories is pandering too. We should not hamstring creatives like this. There should be no topic that is off limits. If we can handle stories about murder, torture and rape, we should have the maturity to handle just about anything.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I get what youre saying, but a lot of these hilarious critiques, review bombing and poor sales would be softened if media creators did their own thing with new franchises. Injecting it into established franchises making the tone a 180 doesnt do it any favours. That would be like injecting DEI lectures into a Terminator game. Technically possible, but illogical.
And like anything in life, the mainstream populace rules sales and voice.
Youre experience doing theatres plays is tiny when compared to millions of gamers, big budgets, and a sequel being compared to prequels where their previous game sold 10M copies. Whatever plays you acted in are their own story and likely isolated in their own universe. People watching your plays likely have an idea what they will see. No DA gamer expected trans lectures in cut scenes. I should had expanded on my point about religion since I dont think you made the connection with the liberal pandering. If a game or theatre play you did preached to the public Christians are the best and opposers should apologize and do push ups thats a totally different message than just having it.
At the end of the day, it really comes down to whether a product resonates with customers and if the company can get enough sales to cover it. The more niche and political lecturing in it, the less sales it will get based on expectations (EA said it missed by 50%), and more room for people to laugh at it. And a big budget and franchise game like DA should not being doing that.
But they did, and EA axed employees and restructured the studio for ME. Gamers saw that coming a mile away. But Bioware somehow couldnt.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Looking like a pass if true.
viveks86
Member
That's fair. But look at intergalactic. New franchise, clean slate, right? The hate it's getting is no different. The issue here is the subject matter. If the subject matter triggers people, it will trigger them no matter what.
Yes, but I think any lecture is bound to fail on any topic. Not just DEI.
Agree with all of this. Let the sales decide if it's worth the investment. I just don't want the community as a whole to hate a story without even hearing it, just because the subject matter is "political" or because the market isn't there. That will result in forever closed minds. If you hear the story and it is still shit, then by all means roast it.
Interfectum
Member
JayK47
Member
I am actually relieved in a way. Currently, I have much less time to game than I would like. And having these developers shooting themselves in the foot really helps me. It is an easy choice for me to pass on these games and spend time on games made by people who do not hate me. I no longer have to buy the game and play it to find out if it sucks. The developers literally scream it at me. DO NOT BUY THIS GAME!!!! And yet these games are still entertaining. It is free to watch the dumpster fire.
Dirk Benedict
Member
DOA.
Rising_Hei
Member
People thought that what happened lately at Bioware was the end.
I don't want to sound rash, but a Cancer isn't easily extirped.
AAA Gaming (at least in the West) will need plenty of healing time from talentless people who get jobs for the wrong reasons, and CEOs and executives who only care about money.
I don't want to sound rash, but a Cancer isn't easily extirped.
AAA Gaming (at least in the West) will need plenty of healing time from talentless people who get jobs for the wrong reasons, and CEOs and executives who only care about money.
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