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[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

At what point do people realize that this is the reality now and that no amount of whining and hand wringing will stop it.

These are increasingly unaffordable and it’s up to the industry to change that. The industry though has moved away from gaming cards mostly to other things. Much of this is due to lack of competition too. It’s is what it is.

As long as NVIDIA continues to paper launch their GPUs, this is never going to change.

 

[Myths]

Oh no, how will we ever survive without something as non-essential as a GPU. Yeah, the prices are jacked but that doesn’t mean it’s the only option.

 

[reinking]

Supply will never meet demand so prices are going to remain high. I hope these tactics eventually blow up in NVidia's face so they will come back down to earth.

 

[TheSHEEEP]

Maybe I should become a scalper, seems to be fairly easy money.

 

[Danknugz]

might as well just buy a b100 rack mounted at this point not that much more expensive and probably easier to procure

 

[CityHunter1981]

What’s worse is that I really don’t understand people who buy these cards for these prices… There is no reason why someone can’t wait a few more months to get a card. Seriously do people need to play only the newest games at max settings otherwise the game is unenjoyable?

If people need to play at maximum settings, why not play some games from their backlog? If they don’t have a backlog, that would mean they don’t have a job to have so much time on their hands and than they would need to be rich, to have so much money at their disposal without a steady income…

 

[demigod]

No, but I don't think this is just or an ethical thing to do in response. To me it seems worse, intentionally destroying a limited supply and advocating abusing a known system because of your feelings. Good job proceeding to an attack, though.


This as well.

But they’re not destroying it. They are just sending back empty boxes.

 

[Bradamante3D]

This is just people, scammer and legit buyers alike, who think that if they can buy the card for 6000$, they can sell it for 10,000$. People camped in front of Micro Centers for that very reason. No legit gamer would ever spend that kind of money.

 

[BennyBlanco]

It’s just scalpers being scumbags as usual, and rich consoomers who don’t care about the difference between 2k and 5k.

What’s concerning is you know Jensen has AI bots somewhere scraping all this data and upscaling it directly to his brainlink, and it’s making his nipples hard knowing what people are willing to pay.

 

[Edgelord79]

Supply will never meet demand so prices are going to remain high. I hope these tactics eventually blow up in NVidia's face so they will come back down to earth.

They won’t. Everyone uses these tactics now for goods like this. It’s not the industry that is necessarily to blame too, it’s also the consumer who has bought into it. There is a fair share of the blame to go around.

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

But they’re not destroying it. They are just sending back empty boxes.

Even worse? Stealing? This is the comment I'm referring to - he pretty clearly states that he's advocating to damage the item, not send an empty box.

What's stopping people from buying these from scalpers, damaging them, claiming it got damaged during shipping, and then forcing the seller to refund you using ebay's money back guarantee?

Nothing.

 

[rubik's dude]

No, but I don't think this is just or an ethical thing to do in response.

Hate the game that makes it possible for both parties to abuse the system, not the players. If scalpers don't want to play the game anymore, they can always opt out. They voluntarily assume the risk, it's called shrink. If their business tanks because of shrink, then too bad. That's capitalism.

Also, weird you felt attacked. I only asked you a question.

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

Hate the game that makes it possible for both parties to abuse the system, not the players. If scalpers don't want to play the game anymore, they can always opt out. They voluntarily assume the risk, it's called shrink. If their business tanks because of shrink, then too bad. That's capitalism.

You call it "shrink" - and perhaps so by definition it also qualifies as that. I'd call it fraud. This has nothing to do with capitalism. What system are you suggesting that would allow magical and expensive, cutting edge GPUs to be developed and delivered to you? It's interesting because you seemingly want the fruits of "capitalism" so bad that you're willing to commit fraud because someone is, optionally, selling the item to you, but then blame "capitalism" when you commit fraud out of.. what? Frustration? Anger? A feeling of injustice?

If you walk into a fuel station and decide they're charging an unreasonable amount for a Snickers - do you just steal it? Then tell them to blame "capitalism" because it "allowed" the situation? What do you tell the police when they come to charge you with theft? "Excuse me officer, this is shrink."

Also, weird you felt attacked. I only asked you a question.

Fair.

 

[StereoVsn]

You call it "shrink" - and perhaps so by definition it also qualifies as that. I'd call it fraud. This has nothing to do with capitalism. What system are you suggesting that would allow magical and expensive, cutting edge GPUs to be developed and delivered to you? It's interesting because you seemingly want the fruits of "capitalism" so bad that you're willing to commit fraud because someone is, optionally, selling the item to you, but then blame "capitalism" when you commit fraud out of.. what? Frustration? Anger? A feeling of injustice?


Fair.

What Nvidia and legitimate stores should do is have a straightforward queue system so you can order GPU at MSRP.

Make it one to a customer with proper registered name/address. That way even if it takes a month or two to receive the card, you will still get it.

Instead we get these Hunger Games BS events.

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

What Nvidia and legitimate stores should do is have a straightforward queue system so you can order GPU at MSRP.

Make it one to a customer with proper registered name/address. That way even if it takes a month or two to receive the card, you will still get it.

Instead we get these Hunger Games BS events.

Yeah, knowing the demand for their item and the seemingly limited supply, they probably should do that. Maybe they like the publicity that comes from the scalpers, but I don't claim to know what they are thinking in this scenario either.

 

[StereoVsn]

Yeah, knowing the demand for their item and the seemingly limited supply, they probably should do that. Maybe they like the publicity that comes from the scalpers, but I don't claim to know what they are thinking in this scenario either.

I think it’s more they just don’t care. They would have to spend a few $K to setup the system and cards sell anyways. Who cares about customers.

 

[ResilientBanana]

By the same pretenses the console market should also be screwed as PS5’s were going for similar prices at the start of the generation.

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

I think it’s more they just don’t care. They would have to spend a few $K to setup the system and cards sell anyways. Who cares about customers.

I'm sure you're right that, in this regard, they don't care about the customer - but if the product sells out by default, do they really have any reason or incentive to care? Not saying that's a good thing.

 

[StereoVsn]

I'm sure you're right that, in this regard, they don't care about the customer - but if the product sells out by default, do they really have any reason or incentive to care? Not saying that's a good thing.

The incentive long term is good will from customers and maybe a tad more brand loyalty. But they don’t care since all the bonuses are tied to quarter based performance or maybe at most a year.

 

[Danknugz]

What Nvidia and legitimate stores should do is have a straightforward queue system so you can order GPU at MSRP.

Make it one to a customer with proper registered name/address. That way even if it takes a month or two to receive the card, you will still get it.

Instead we get these Hunger Games BS events.

his is what evga used to do and how i procured my 2080ti back in the day. but again i think it's an inventory issue more than bots.

 

[LimanimaPT]

Gotta love PC gaming...

 

[StereoVsn]

his is what evga used to do and how i procured my 2080ti back in the day. but again i think it's an inventory issue more than bots.

Yeah, but with a proper queue and waitlist, the inventory will eventually resolve and you would get your card.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Rich people exist.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

The 5080 is 1900$ now in Poland lol. It got even more expensive... and that's for some garbage tier gamerock version

Garbage tier? GameRock is Palit's premium series. It offers amazing cooling performance and is dead silent even under full load.

I used to be loyal to Asus brand, but funny enough I had problems with ALL of my Asus cards (8800Ultra, GTX680, 1080ti, 2080ti), however my old Palit Gamerock GTX1080 is still working after 9 years despite running at 2GHz (10TF) out of the box. I gave this card as a present to my niece and I have no doubt that this card will work for another few years.

Nvidia only trusts Palit to make their workstation cards, so I think they make solid GPUs. After the good experience with my GTX1080 I trusted Palit again. My RTX4080S is also dead silent and cool (59-61C undervolted, 63-67C stock clock, 67-70C max OC). My asus cards had excessive coil whine, but coil whine on my palit card it's very subtle and I barely hear it. I'm using a support bracket, but this particular card probably doesn't even need one because it has an anti-gravity plate, so the PCB can't bend under the weight of the cooler. My Asus Strix 1080ti / 2080ti would move 1cm up and down when I pushed on the back of the card, whereas my Palt RTX4080S is so rigid that I can't even bend it a little.

If I were to upgrade to the RTX5080, I would definitely choose the Palit brand again, as such large and heavy cards are prone to PCB bending / damage and only few companies think to include an anti-gravity plate in their design.

 

[damidu]

Rich people exist.

yeah and they usually know the value of their money, only morons will flock to these prices

 

[StereoVsn]

yeah and they usually know the value of their money, only morons will flock to these prices

When the difference in price to wealthy folks is like for me deciding to go to Chipotle or pay $30 for a nice lunch, it doesn’t really matter to them.

That said I think some of the higher prices paid are probably by people selling to China as card is banned.

 

[mclaren777]

I bought an RTX 3080 in 2021 for $1350 (roughly double MSRP).

These elevated prices are nothing new when supply is heavily constrained.

 

[Mister Wolf]

yeah and they usually know the value of their money, only morons will flock to these prices

What are you talking about. Rich people spend hundreds and thousands on clothes made from the same materials you can find in cheaper clothes just because it has a designer's name attached to it. They are not misers.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

What in the actual fuck are people doing. This is worse then top of the crypto boom.

Fuck scalpers and fuck Nvidia for not providing a modicum of supply. Oh and fuck AMD for incompetence.

*and fuck everyone else while we're at it, too

 

[rubik's dude]

If you walk into a fuel station and decide they're charging an unreasonable amount for a Snickers - do you just steal it? Then tell them to blame "capitalism" because it "allowed" the situation? What do you tell the police when they come to charge you with theft? "Excuse me officer, this is shrink."

Well for one, you already said I'm not advocating for stealing. But two, like I said, shrink is an assumed business risk, and scalers are voluntarily running their business. If their business tanks because they can't survive a liability like shrink, that's a risk they were willing to take.

A good business has insurance to cover shrink, so if the scalpers have insurance, maybe they'll get reimbursed. Maybe not. And if they believe fraud has occurred, then like I said:

file a police report in their state if they think fraud occurred.

The other party also takes on the liability that the underfunded and understaffed police in another state (or country) will investigate an internet he-said she-said fraud claim that can't be meaningfully substantiated.

In conclusion: There are checks and balances in place on both ends, and everything is done voluntarily. If a scalper fails to run their business for whatever reason, that's no one's fault but their own.

 

[CLW]

PS5 Pro master race

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

Well for one, you already said I'm not advocating for stealing. But two, like I said, shrink is an assumed business risk, and scalers are voluntarily running their business. If their business tanks because they can't survive a liability like shrink, that's a risk they were willing to take.

A good business has insurance to cover shrink, so if the scalpers have insurance, maybe they'll get reimbursed. Maybe not. And if they believe fraud has occurred, then like I said:

The other party also takes on the liability that the underfunded and understaffed police in another state (or country) will investigate an internet he-said she-said fraud claim that can't be meaningfully substantiated.

In conclusion: There are checks and balances in place on both ends, and everything is done voluntarily. If a scalper fails to run their business for whatever reason, that's no one's fault but their own.

Well, no. It's your fault in this case for intentionally buying this item with the intent to physically destroy it in order to cause them loss. This is not an accident.

We will just have to agree to disagree, because no amount of "they have insurance" "they entered the market" "there is risk to business" is going to justify to me the idea of intentionally buying something, destroying it, and filing a knowingly false and abusive claim with the third party auction site solely for the purpose of causing the seller financial harm because you disagree with them selling it.

 

[Romulus]

The 5000 series cards aren't even good. Probably the worst upgrade I can remember. The 4090/4080/3090/3080 were all awesome. 5090/5080 are shitty by comparison.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Damn, that means the 4090 values will rise as well. I may sell mine on eBay for a little if this holds as 5090's are brutal to find but people are going ape for 4090's as well

 

[rofif]

Garbage tier? GameRock is Palit's premium series. It offers amazing cooling performance and is dead silent even under full load.

I used to be loyal to Asus brand, but funny enough I had problems with ALL of my Asus cards (8800Ultra, GTX680, 1080ti, 2080ti), however my old Palit Gamerock GTX1080 is still working after 9 years despite running at 2GHz (10TF) out of the box. I gave this card as a present to my niece and I have no doubt that this card will work for another few years.

Nvidia only trusts Palit to make their workstation cards, so I think they make solid GPUs. After the good experience with my GTX1080 I trusted Palit again. My RTX4080S is also dead silent and cool (59-61C undervolted, 63-67C stock clock, 67-70C max OC). My asus cards had excessive coil whine, but coil whine on my palit card it's very subtle and I barely hear it. I'm using a support bracket, but this particular card probably doesn't even need one because it has an anti-gravity plate, so the PCB can't bend under the weight of the cooler. My Asus Strix 1080ti / 2080ti would move 1cm up and down when I pushed on the back of the card, whereas my Palt RTX4080S is so rigid that I can't even bend it a little.

If I were to upgrade to the RTX5080, I would definitely choose the Palit brand again, as such large and heavy cards are prone to PCB bending / damage and only few companies think to include an anti-gravity plate in their design.

plait.. gamerock. Bottom tier brands when it comes to gpus.
Not saying it's a bad thing. If I had to choose one for myself that's not FE, I would 100% get Zotac. I love zotac.. and it's probably even lower tier

 

[rubik's dude]

Well, no. It's your fault in this case for intentionally buying this item with the intent to physically destroy it in order to cause them loss. This is not an accident.

Technically, no.

They don't have to refund you. They could claim the item was willfully damaged and take it to arbitration with ebay, and then ebay will force the money out of their account because they chose to sell on their platform, and ebay's arbitration process largely favors the buyer, not the seller. So technically, it's ebay causing them loss, not the buyer.

But yes, let's agree to disagree.

 

[indigoSociety]

That is actually a good point. MS and AMD have a window of opportunity if they can deliver. I can see AMD delivering decent performance on GPU side (say 5070 or maybe higher), but can MS not fuck up?

Oddly enough yes. I actually think theyre done screwing up after essentially pushing themselves out of the traditional console race they seem to actually have their heads screwed on straight lol. And somehow i think not being tethered to the traditionalist ways will actually benefit them and they will be able to be more forward thinking without facing backlash for not sticking within the confines of what consoles usually are. But most importantly they seem to have their first party pipeline fixed which is most important. Highly doubt they dont plan on giving some of these games at least windows of timed exclusivity on their new platform and when they need a sales boost/revival they will smartly and strategically put them on Ps6/Switch2. I know people think MS is finished with hardware but i dont think it will go the Sega route like everyone assumes. Much bigger and smarter company.

 

[StereoVsn]

Oddly enough yes. I actually think theyre done screwing up after essentially pushing themselves out of the traditional console race they seem to actually have their heads screwed on straight lol. And somehow i think not being tethered to the traditionalist ways will actually benefit them and they will be able to be more forward thinking without facing backlash for not sticking within the confines of what consoles usually are. But most importantly they seem to have their first party pipeline fixed which is most important. Highly doubt they dont plan on giving these games at least windows of exclusivity on their new platform and when they need a sales boost/revival they will smartly put them on Ps6/Switch2

It would certainly be interesting if they got something right. I don’t have high hopes considering Surface hardware is usually underpowered and overpriced, but maybe MS will surprise everyone.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

plait.. gamerock. Bottom tier brands when it comes to gpus.
Not saying it's a bad thing. If I had to choose one for myself that's not FE, I would 100% get Zotac. I love zotac.. and it's probably even lower tier

Nvidia only trusts Palit to build professional Quadro cards, and that would not be the case if they made the worst cards as you suggest. Palit is also the largest graphics card manufacturer in the world.

The reviews of the Gamerock series of graphics cards have always been very good, as this premium series from Palit has astonishing cooling performance and noise levels. GamingPro series is cheaper, but it still offers excelent cooling performance. My gaming pro RTX4080S has only 63-67C temp and 31.9dBA under full load (and only 59-61C when undervolted), and that's lower than on any of my previous Asus GPUs. Palit has also thought about the problem of GPU sag, so I don't have to worry about the weight of the card destroying my GPU after a few years of use.

I could choose an Asus model again if it was worth it, but since my experience with Asus cards has been so terrible, I refuse to buy another Asus card ever again, even though the Asus brand is considered to be the best.

 

[neocycle]

Fuck it just skip this whole generation

Next gen will be more expensive.

 

[FingerBang]

I knew 2k usd was fake mspr straight away at nvidia's presentation and real streetprice gonna be 3 to 4k usd, what i didnt know is shortages gonna be so terrible, so 6k usd makes sense currently, give it few months and by end of march/early april prices gonna go down to 3-4k usd and keep that price range for a while.
Remember old BiS card 4090, even with 1700$ msrp was 2500$+(even for basic models with bad cooling) still in the middle of january so 3 weeks ago, the new 5090 is 30-35% faster than that after allso 3k usd is minimum even if cards are videly avaiable later on

There are 2 different problems here:

Nvidia fucking over their partners
Ridiculous supply for the demand

Nvidia unfairly competes with their AIB partners with the FE, by establishing a price that puts them in a terrible situation: Either make very little money off every card sold or charge more and look like greedy bastards. The Founders Edition cards used to be MORE EXPENSIVE than MSRP, not less. They charged a premium on them in 2016. There is a reason why EVGA decided to stop producing those cards even though they were 80% of their revenue: the margins were ridiculous.

If everyone could get a 5090, the price would quickly go below MSRP because of the only thing that matters: supply and demand. We don’t know WHY there are so few cards available, we can only speculate. Nvidia is making way more money making AI chips. They can barely keep up with the demand. Gaming cards for them are a matter or pride, they are not going to drop them completely, they will want to be the best at them forever, but they have to choose how to divide their resources and the AI chips make the most sense.

I really doubt we'll ever see the 5090 be available at 1999 during its entire lifespan. Whether a 6090 will be more affordable and available will depend on the state of the AI market and the competition.

The issue is that the shit you are talking about scammers use all the time against legit sellers. It’s fucked up.

And 90% of the blame goes to Nvidia for paper launch and to the stores for not implementing a waitlist ordering process.

What Nvidia and legitimate stores should do is have a straightforward queue system so you can order GPU at MSRP.

Make it one to a customer with proper registered name/address. That way even if it takes a month or two to receive the card, you will still get it.

Instead we get these Hunger Games BS events.

It's all on Nvidia, period. A store can make a queue system to avoid scalpers/bots and make it more based on luck, but that will not increase the number of people who'll be able to buy one. Pre-orders become a big issue without a clear supply expectation and Nvidia isn't providing one. It would be possible if theh knew how many cards they're getting every week/month.

Most stores at the moment have no idea. This is what Nvidia want. Including the higher prices you're seeing from the AIB.

 

[playXray]

Just don’t buy them. It’s not like we don’t have great graphics on current/last gen cards/consoles.

 

[ReyBrujo]

So this is the equivalent of people paying overpriced iPhones on launch, right?

 

[Gamer79]

look at the sellers feedback. the buyer got scammed

 

[kiphalfton]

It's called fraud bro, anyone shipping these out are insuring them.

Lmao. Like that's going to stop scammers.

 

[Thabass]

What's stopping people from buying these from scalpers, damaging them, claiming it got damaged during shipping, and then forcing the seller to refund you using ebay's money back guarantee?

Nothing.

Lack of funds, probably.

 

[notseqi]

look at the sellers feedback. the buyer got scammed

what do you mean, paying 372 dolares seems completely normal for an image of a graphics card

 

[Insolent]

Fuck nvidia
Impossible to buy any 4000 or 5000 for decent price

 

[poppabk]

Even having the disposable income, for the first time I'm questioning if it's really worth it, I have a pretty good gaming pc but this is really pushing me to get back to consoles and forget all about GPU and HW in general... It's not the GPU price per se it's the fact that it will still be used to play again cb2077 or another old game... There's no games that could really push it other than very high FPS and 2 path traced titles...

So don't buy a new GPU? When the PS5 Pro released and was still being used to play PS5 games did people just quit consoles and go back to board games?

 

[MacReady13]

The prices some people will pay to get (far) graphics that will make zero difference to the actual game.

In all honesty it’s actually sad. I’d love to upgrade my PC every time these GPU’s come out but these prices make it completely prohibitive. It gives me time to save now for a 6000 series GPU but it shouldn’t be that way. Nvidia know it and try to fuck their customers over with this shit. Yet still, people are paying these exorbitant prices so really, why should nvidia stop this shit???