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Makes sense to me. Grab a game that had some flaws, remaster/remake it getting rid of said flaws and see the game turn into a success. An example could be Nier: Replicant, and I'd love to see more of those.

Yeah, that part of Mibu's post is weird(er) lol.

The point of remastering an older game would be to bring it up to the current audience, make some game play or technical improvements that may have caused it to not sell well before. See if there's demand for it and possibly expand the IP.

 

[Roxkis_ii]

Looks like a banger deal for $10.

 

[Senua]

RT is such a waste of resources. I still don't get the hype.

RTGI especially is incredible dude and would do wonders to Horizon games. Play Cyberpunk or Metro Exodus or something with maxed RT/PT and you'll see

 

[GymWolf]

I bet it still has no RT. Let alone pathtracing.

It doesn't.

Lights are still baked.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Psé, maybe, but you don't need a remaster for that imo. Just put the first game on sale or something.

You think putting a game on sale that was offered for free somehow will do more to boost its play?

Makes sense to me. Grab a game that had some flaws, remaster/remake it getting rid of said flaws and see the game turn into a success. An example could be Nier: Replicant, and I'd love to see more of those.

The effort to rework older games is far greater than you realize. All this stuff they did with Horizon was window dressing.

 

[Robb]

Because this is a forum and asking questions is what takes place here.

As for "feeling better", I mean, you're in here crying about resources. I gave you the easiest solution — avoid what's impacted you so much. SImple.

I’ll happily vote with my wallet but I think it’s ignorant to think I, or anyone else here, won’t be voicing our opinions and say what we think about a subject. As you said it’s a forum, where we discuss topics and voice our opinions.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

I’ll happily vote with my wallet but I think it’s ignorant to think I, or anyone else here, won’t be voicing our opinions and say what we think about a subject. As you said it’s a forum, where we discuss topics and voice our opinions.

Oh, I agree. Discuss. I, personally, don't comment on something I find wasteful, but agreed. To each everyone's own!

Also, read my edit. It cleaned things up a bit.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I bet it still has no RT. Let alone pathtracing.

Speaking with Digital Foundry, Michiel Roza, principal optimization programmer at Nixxes Software, reveals that ray tracing was “considered” for Horizon Forbidden West on PC. However, adding it to the game would be no simple task, with a process that’s fraught with difficulties.

“For this project, with the hours of cinematics and the scope… we decided that the game already looks really good, there’s a strong direction here and we really didn’t want to mess with it,” Roza explains. Nixxes are to be commended for wanting to respect artistic intent, given how easily ray tracing can spoil a game’s visuals if it’s improperly implemented, as demonstrated by early-stage RTX Remix mods.

Making matters worse, adding ray tracing to Horizon Forbidden West creates massive technical challenges according to Jeroen Krebbers, lead tech programmer at Guerilla Games. They explain that most of Forbidden West “is really hard to ray trace against, even for shadows”, owing to the properties of much of the game’s materials, such as trees.

Combine this with an estimated “100 square kilometers of content” according to Krebbers, and it’s hard not to be intimidated by the scope of the work that would be required to add ray tracing to the game.

 

[TintoConCasera]

You think putting a game on sale that was offered for free somehow will do more to boost its play?

Dunno. Are people actually asking about this remaster? I don't think it'll do much either, but I could be wrong.

The effort to rework older games is far greater than you realize. All this stuff they did with Horizon was window dressing.

Yeah you might be right with this. If all they did was change some values on an .ini file and had the interns do the QA then I guess no resource was actually wasted with this.

Still, I'd love to see other games get remasters, specially stuff that's stuck on older consoles like the Killzones, the Resistances or Gravity Rush. I think there's window for actual improvements to be made there.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Dunno. Are people actually asking about this remaster? I don't think it'll do much either, but I could be wrong.

We'll see.

Yeah you might be right with this. If all they did was change some values on an .ini file and had the interns do the QA then I guess no resource was actually wasted with this.

Still, I'd love to see other games get remasters, specially stuff that's stuck on older consoles like the Killzones, the Resistances or Gravity Rush. I think there's window for actual improvements to be made there.

Killzone 1 requires a complete remake. The gameplay is broken. Gravity Rush is stuck on other consoles? Gravity Rush got remastered on PS4. No surprise that you didn't see it or play it because you only like the IDEA of it. Gravity Rush 2 was a PS4 game.

Insomniac is way too busy to do Resistance.

 

[cormack12]

Time for photo mode

 

[TintoConCasera]

Gravity Rush is stuck on other consoles? Gravity Rush got remastered on PS4. No surprise that you didn't see it or play it because you only like the IDEA of it.

Woah hey relax buddy, no need to get aggresive.

And yeah PS4 is another console and kinda old believe it or not. Would be cool to see that game on PC and getting some love on PS5 as well, but I guess Horizon made more money and deserves it more.

Insomniac is way too busy to do Resistance.

 

[MikeM]

Ps5 Pro play through upcoming. These are not tiny upgrades. It’ll be interesting to compare it to HFW that I’m currently playing on PC at the moment.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Woah hey relax buddy, no need to get aggresive.

And yeah PS4 is another console and kinda old believe it or not. Would be cool to see that game on PC and getting some love on PS5 as well, but I guess Horizon made more money and deserves it more.

I mean I don't see the value in remastering a game that got remastered 10 years ago and never sold well...

Who?

 

[TintoConCasera]

I mean I don't see the value in remastering a game that got remastered 10 years ago and never sold well...

It was just an example. Could be any other game that didn't sold well but still managed to grab it's niche audience. Make some improvements, give it some marketing and you might have your next best seller.

I dunno, it's just that I think Sony is sitting on a fuckton of IPs while giving a lot of attention to a very small number of them.

Who?

Bluepoint maybe? Or maybe some other small studio under Sony's umbrella.

 

[King Dazzar]

I wonder what the differences are between base and Pro.

 

[Trekinspace88]

The remaster looks fantastic and I'm glad they are bringing the character animations from FW to ZD as the characters in ZD are very stiff imo and for 10 euros they have got a upgrade purchase from me.

 

[Iced Arcade]

$10 and can't wait.

currently doing all the side missions in Forbidden West.

 

[Hyphen]

I think the biggest possible upgrade would have been to the water. However, their notes suggest that they haven't improved this...

 

[keefged4]

eh.. for £10 Steam upgrade I'll bite. I bought the original on sale ages ago, think it was around £15 at the time and haven't gotten around to playing it yet, so why not

 

[Mibu no ookami]

It was just an example. Could be any other game that didn't sold well but still managed to grab it's niche audience. Make some improvements, give it some marketing and you might have your next best seller.

I dunno, it's just that I think Sony is sitting on a fuckton of IPs while giving a lot of attention to a very small number of them.

People oversimplify things like this. It can take considerable resources to do what you're asking for and when these underperform because there isn't actual interest people lose their jobs. It's simple as that.

They're giving attention to things that sell.

I would love an Arc the Lad remake... it probably wouldn't sell huge numbers though.

Bluepoint maybe? Or maybe some other small studio under Sony's umbrella.

Bluepoint is already busy. Which other small studios?

 

[TheGodfather07]

This is such a waste! Why choose this when it's not even that old and still looks good today? This was definitely a hermen Hulst decision.

 

[midnightAI]

Doesnt matter how good it is, it wasnt that hard to bring the assets from the second game to the first nor was it necessary to pull the original game and charge people for what used to be a patch but nowadays they call it "remaster". I will call anyone buying this that HAS PLAYED the original game, retarded just like I was for getting TLOU2 on PS5 even tho I played it. Yes, I have no shame admitting I'm an idiot as well.

I'm retarded? Harsh

It's 10 quid, the cost of a couple of pints, and they have done a lot more than just bring in the assets from the second game, did you not read the article?

Also, let people buy what they want to buy, and I still reckon there'll be several million upgrading this, because, again.... It's 10 quid

 

[midnightAI]

This is such a waste! Why choose this when it's not even that old and still looks good today? This was definitely a hermen Hulst decision.

Because they are a business and want to make money? Not that hard to understand. Also, Nixxes was purchased for things like this and PC ports, it isn't taking much resources away from Guerrilla, so why not? It also fully trains up Nixxes on getting use of Decima. Yes there are loads of other IP's but how many have a second next gen game they can pull some assets from that have also sold over 20 million copies? Seems like a no brainer to me. (I'd love them to tackle Killzone series next using the latest version of Decima)

 

[Just_one]

Fuck the haters, just brought the 10€ update and im going in again once its released.

Amazing game,amazing story and amazing franchise

 

[Fess]

I'm gonna end up buying Thisthis 10 bucks upgrade and play this game like a lil bitch after complaining, right?

Yes. But it’s $10, big deal, a pizza is more expensive

 

[GymWolf]

I think the biggest possible upgrade would have been to the water. However, their notes suggest that they haven't improved this...

No way they left the water exactly the same.

 

[Senua]

Fuck the haters, just brought the 10€ update and im going in again once its released.

Amazing game,amazing story and amazing franchise

 

[Ronin_7]

This is a pretty big fucking upgrade.

I wasn't expecting all this.

Imagine all this effort into Bloodborne.

 

[sono]

Super fun platinum

How long hours from zero to plat?

 

[Sethbacca]

Honestly, I'm fine with throwing $10 at this and it will only look better on the pro.

 

[Skifi28]

How long hours from zero to plat?

Should be around 40 hours at normal pace if I remember correctly.

 

[DragonNCM]

This is a pretty big fucking upgrade.

I wasn't expecting all this.

You are right it is big upgrade.....100 double MC's upgrade

 

[XXL]

Imagine all this effort into Bloodborne.

 

[GHG]

Sounds great. Can't wait to see how this looks and runs on PC in a couple of weeks.

 

[diffusionx]

Seems like a waste of time.

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

It takes away time and resources for other opportunities. Not sure what’s difficult to understand here. Everything has an alternative cost.

I doubt this remake was really that expensive to make. They probably reused assets from the 2nd game. If the remake sells well, I think it can help their future projects as well.

I haven't played the original game for long (maybe like 2 hours max), so I'm excited for the remake. Based on the comparisons I saw, the difference in graphics fidelity is noticeable.

 

[Games of Today]

This is exciting to me. It'll be a jump in graphics like Uncharted 4 to Lost Legacy. This game will look better than Forbidden West which will be really cool we also get to see Guerilla's newest rendering technology on display, giving us hints at the quality of their next title.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

This game will look better than Forbidden West

How so? Isn’t it just bringing it in like with FW?

 

[midnightAI]

Seems like a waste of time.

For who?

Nixxes make money
Sony make money
Nixxes get more experience working with Decima
Nixxes get to work on one of Sony's biggest IP's
Gamers get a next gen upgrade of a highly popular game for a tenner
Haters get to post fat (ha) Aloy pictures again

So who's waste of time is it?

 

[RCX]

Wildl misallocation of talent.

PC port of resogun and shadow of the collosus you fucking cowards.

 

[saintjules]

Looking forward to running through this for the 3rd time. Super fun platinum as well. A perfect podcast game.

For a 3rd time, wow. I struggled to finish the first game and DLC back when they came out.

 

[diffusionx]

For who?

Nixxes make money
Sony make money
Nixxes get more experience working with Decima
Nixxes get to work on one of Sony's biggest IP's
Gamers get a next gen upgrade of a highly popular game for a tenner
Haters get to post fat (ha) Aloy pictures again

So who's waste of time is it?

This is the videogame equivalent of paying people to dig ditches and fill them up again. Nobody asked for this and nobody except Herman Hulst and Sony shills care about it or want it. This is an insane amount of work and resources going into something that is basically a Hulst vanity project.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Rather other games like um....

Bloodborne and $10 for those who actually purchased the game is wrong.

 

[K' Dash]

I'm gonna end up buying this 10 bucks upgrade and play this game like a lil bitch after complaining, right?

The only reason to buy this game is if you have insomnia, this thing will put you to sleep very quickly.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

This is exciting to me. It'll be a jump in graphics like Uncharted 4 to Lost Legacy. This game will look better than Forbidden West which will be really cool we also get to see Guerilla's newest rendering technology on display, giving us hints at the quality of their next title.

Eyyyyyyy, I don't know about that, but good on them if it does! Then again, you could be right, as it should look at least as good as Burning Shores which did look better than FW.

 

[bitbydeath]

I bet it still has no RT. Let alone pathtracing.

RT is a waste of time and resources.

 

[midnightAI]

This is the videogame equivalent of paying people to dig ditches and fill them up again. Nobody asked for this and nobody except Herman Hulst and Sony shills care about it or want it. This is an insane amount of work and resources going into something that is basically a Hulst vanity project.

And it makes Sony money, lots of it, it has thousands of employees working on it (across multiple titles/studios) who get a wage, and we as gamers get some amazing games out of it, your hate towards this game and Herman Hulst is blinding you.

This remaster will sell millions of upgrades, why can you not see that? It's by a studio bought by Sony for their expertise in PC ports and remasters so they are doing exactly what they were bought to do.

And I'm a shill for liking this game and wanting the upgrade? Millions of others who upgrade the game are shills? Seems like a poor argument to just call people shills if they don't agree with your assessment

(You also didn't actually answer the question either, who's waste of time is it? The only waste of time I see is for people like you who are always whinging about it)

 

[HeWhoWalks]

RT is a waste of time and resources.

Not when it's done well...

Multiple types here, all games with class leading visuals!

 

[Chuck Berry]

How long hours from zero to plat?

You'll grab the majority of them as you naturally progress through the game so Id say around 40 hours, give or take a few.

And it's a checkbox style Ubi game so a ton are tied to collectathons and clearing all bandit camps, climbing all Tallnecks, clearing all side dungeons etc.