That's what I'm getting at, seeing posts complaining about Google gobbling up data in that manner, yet I see nothing here, even after it was a huge bullet point in the presentation.
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That's what I'm getting at, seeing posts complaining about Google gobbling up data in that manner, yet I see nothing here, even after it was a huge bullet point in the presentation.
Yea to be honest I'm the same.
Google is huge on advertising. Apple isn't involved in that.
SuperPac
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Except for iAd - but, they're not HUGE on that since I'm not sure it's working like they thought it would.
I don't really know much about iAd.
What about it isn't working? What did they want from it?
Phoenix
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The problem is more educating the consumer on what they should be doing. A lot of the problem came from Visa Wave because they thought it would be cool and unthreatening for the consumer to make the wave gesture. Unfortunately waving and swiping gestures aren't how NFC works.
With NFC (in a phone) your phone is the initiator of the signal and the payment system (which may be passive/unpowered) needs to do a handshake. While you're waving around you're going in and outside of the NFC field. The NFC field is only 10cm in size so most of the time you're just breaking the signal over and over again. The appropriate way to use it is to place it on the transceiver and let it sit there for a second.
In the case of your credit card, it is an unpowered RFID/NFC target and the payment system needs to power it (over the RF signal generated from the transceiver in the payment system), decrypt it, and pull its data. This may take a couple of seconds, but because people keep waving the card it keeps going from "Hello I'm abo-.... Hello-.....Hello I'm about to tell you-... etc.".
Its a consumer education problem, not a technology problem. Fortunately with phones the education is much simpler. Put your phone here until you hear it make a noise and then the magic happens.
Trust me, it will get better... wait about a week
Phoenix
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The wanted a large marquee advertising mechanism from the big boys and they would build and sell luxury advertising to big players. The problem is that they wanted ludicrous - absolutely ludicrous amounts of money to do it AND they wanted to create all the campaigns themselves to ensure quality. The advertising model doesn't work that way so it all fell apart because they wanted to control the user experience and that's normally what the advertising agencies do themselves. Its a case of the "Apple way" not working in the real world.
Best update ever
I don't think so. They're going to cancel Ping at some point, and that's going to wrap it up. They'll use Facebook and Twitter for social. Why waste unnecessary effort? Facebook isn't trying to screw them over like Google did. Besides, Facebook integration hurts Google+. Win-win.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
iOS6 seems to have screwed me up pretty badly. 3G data won't activate anymore, only Edge, and there's no option to activate or deactivate 3G specifically anymore. I think I had cellular data completely disabled while I was installing ioS6, and it probably picked up that 3G was off, and since there's no option to turn it on anymore, the system is stuck there.
SuperPac
Member
To me this is something like Passbook functions on the lock screen would be really compelling. Hold it up to NFC payment thing - confirm payment on lock screen. Done. I would love that.
Kung Fu Jedi
Member
Same here. I use to be a big fan of Google, but some of their moves in recent years have turned me off to them somewhat. I still think they have some good ideas/products, but they're more hit and miss and their "do no evil" rule doesn't seem to apply quite as fully as it once did.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
It's almost as if it's the first beta of a developer preview.
Phoenix
Member
Indeed. Apple is more likely to buy Facebook than they are to try to roll their own at this point. Network effects dictate that Apple is better served by someone that already has a standing network. They want to reach outside their walls to non-iOS folks as well so they are better off with Twitter and Facebook not trying to block them because they feel threatened.
Besides, social is not their thing. Stick to your core competency and buy/partner with someone whose core it is to do those other things. You don't have to build it ALL yourself.
Victory Red
Member
I have been having minimal bugs on iOS6.
3D Maps don't seem to be working.
When I type it doesn't register sounds for every keystroke. Can throw you off.
Other than that pretty solid.
3D Maps don't seem to be working.
When I type it doesn't register sounds for every keystroke. Can throw you off.
Other than that pretty solid.
lunarworks
Member
Apple occasionally gets up to no good, but at least they're open about it when they do, and their motives are clear, even if they put a spin on it.
Google just sits there behind their "Do No Evil" slogan, with a sly grin. You're never quite sure what they're up to, and when they do get caught, they just say "Oops".
Ape Gone Insane
Member
I'm struggling to find anything exciting in the new iOS. Though I haven't looked at the 'other 200 features' yet. Maybe there will be something in there.
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Vilix
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The problem is more educating the consumer on what they should be doing. A lot of the problem came from Visa Wave because they thought it would be cool and unthreatening for the consumer to make the wave gesture. Unfortunately waving and swiping gestures aren't how NFC works.
With NFC (in a phone) your phone is the initiator of the signal and the payment system (which may be passive/unpowered) needs to do a handshake. While you're waving around you're going in and outside of the NFC field. The NFC field is only 10cm in size so most of the time you're just breaking the signal over and over again. The appropriate way to use it is to place it on the transceiver and let it sit there for a second.
In the case of your credit card, it is an unpowered RFID/NFC target and the payment system needs to power it (over the RF signal generated from the transceiver in the payment system), decrypt it, and pull its data. This may take a couple of seconds, but because people keep waving the card it keeps going from "Hello I'm abo-.... Hello-.....Hello I'm about to tell you-... etc.".
Its a consumer education problem, not a technology problem. Fortunately with phones the education is much simpler. Put your phone here until you hear it make a noise and then the magic happens.
Trust me, it will get better... wait about a week
I'm not sure what this is in response to. But, I can assure you the reason we are not using RFID/NFC is not because of a consumer education problem. Banks do not want to pay the cost that will incure with all those transaction. The credit companies do not want to loose interest they get from non secure transactions. Ironically, all they would be replacing is the debit card in your wallet. You can thank lobbiest for spreading the fear.
Anyone with the iOS6, could you go to the Maps app and search for: Hakata, Fukuoka-shi, Japan (or whatever is closer to those terms) and post a screenshot?
I've seen a bunch of maps of the UK, US, etc.. but I wonder how is Japan looking (and not Tokyo, but Fukuoka which is where I live..).
Thanks in advance!!
I've seen a bunch of maps of the UK, US, etc.. but I wonder how is Japan looking (and not Tokyo, but Fukuoka which is where I live..).
Thanks in advance!!
StrikerObi
Member
We're starting to hit a point of diminishing returns on iOS updates. The leaps made between versions have been pretty big up until the leap from iOS5 to iOS6. I installed it last night and it feels like I have the same phone as I did the day before. I haven't felt that way about any of the previous updates. They all brought something huge to the table, but iOS6 is really just rounding things out and streamlining things to perfection. There isn't one big huge new feature (like notifications in iOS5) that smacks you in the face in iOS6.
The biggest "new" feature in iOS6 is Maps, and that's an update of an old app. It's not 100% "new", it's just redesigned from the ground up. It may be better than the old Maps (or not), but at the end of the day it's a better way of doing something the OS already did, not an entirely new thing the OS can do.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
You don't say. I was hoping someone would know if there's a way around it, to enable back 3G.
Treefingers
Member
So podcasts are gone from iTunes, on iPhone at least - is it the same on the iPad? Wondering if that means anything or if they just haven't gotten to them.
Woah, really? Completely gone? Gone from the music app as well?
Treefingers
Member
Ah they're still in the music app. Going to the store from there just takes me to a content-less page so I assume it's just not done yet.
That makes more sense. Maybe they'll finally handle subscriptions?
SuperPac
Member
I agree, though there are a couple features that I already love - Do Not Disturb and the VIP inbox. Not that I couldn't go back to iOS 5 if I had to, but they are nice conveniences.
How are you guys not using Instacast or Downcast (which is broken on iOS6 beta 1, but was great on iOS 5)? Once I started using those other podcast catcher apps I barely go into Music at all.
There's nothing game changing in the update but it has brought lots of new features and fixed that make iOS much much more refined.
For example, downloading things from the app store is no longer tedious as it doesn't kick you out. Small things like that really make things nicer.
SuperPac
Member
Yes, I had to go crawling back to Instacast for the time being. Total bummer. :| Instacast is not great. Better than Apple's podcast interface, but, not great.
shadyspace
Banned
Why does Instacast suck now? I haven't updated to this supposedly new sucky version.
Yeah, I've always thought that if Passcode lock was enabled, you should have to unlock the phone to shut it down... I even looked for a jailbreak solution to do that a while back but apprently nobody has done it yet.
Here, I hope this is what you're looking for:
Accessibility option for blind people.
They're already laying the groundwork. Between iOS messaging/facetime/camera roll comments they're heading there. I do really like their osx/ios notification merging.
Those data centers apple has been building aren't just for picture swapping. They're doing a very good job of creating a proper platform. Social is a big part of staying afloat for any company, purely for the data points they provide for further advancement of software.
SuperPac
Member
The beta for Find My iPhone has an option for devices that are currently turned off or offline to notify you when they go online again. Also allows you to remotely lock devices with a 4-digit passcode (maybe even if you didn't have one set originally?) and allows you to pass a phone number to the lost device so a "good Samaritan" (yeah right) can place a call to you on it to arrange a pickup. That plus the "Lost mode" where a lost device can tell you all the locations it's been to - Find My iPhone is becoming pretty powerful.
That would be a terrible user experience. Already shutting down is a 2-step process - you think it should be 3?
Victory Red
Member
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Same as Listen To Last Message
Yep. That's what I was asking for. The pin on the second pic is almost in front of my house
Anyway... that's... incredibly bare. Like, really, there's no info there. At least I hope they add all the convenience stores around (which I check a lot), area names, etc... :/
(this is how it looks in the current map:
Such a difference...
Yeah, but all a thief would have to do to is still power it down and all is lost.
In the case that passcode lock is enabled and find my iPhone is turned on? Absolutely. The number of times I fully power down my phone in a MONTH is already few enough that typing four digits to power down my phone (which people with passcode lock enabled do every time they want to use their phone anyways) is not unreasonable.
StrikerObi
Member
Yeah, DND is a brilliant feature. I take awhile to fall asleep and it drives me nuts when I am about 2 minutes away from dreamland and my phone buzzes and the screen lights up. I have started turning the over over on my nightstand to at least avoid the light. But DND solves this problem entirely. I set it up right away, and slept great last night. VIP Inbox could be cool, but I don't really have anybody in my contact list that I could classify as that. Nobody is so important that I need to know every time I get an email from them.
I use Instacast. I can't go back either. Podcast management in iOS was an absolute nightmare. Now that I've had Instacast 2.x for awhile, I've warmed up to it a lot. It's pretty slick once you re-wire your brain to understand the totally changed workflow from 1.x. If you keep trying to use it like 1.x, you will hate it.
Haha, I just never got around to it. I just bought Downcast. Not bad!
Victory Red
Member
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Phoenix
Member
First off, RFID/NFC is not just about payments, although that's what I'll discuss here. That's what everyone thinks of first, but it is absolutely not just about payments.
The fight to which you refer is one that I'm keenly interested in and aware of. The whole model for who provisions the secure element and such is a bit too off-topic to go into here, but yeah the banks got screwed in the deal. Unfortunately, there isn't anything preventing the carriers from acting like banks so all that will happen is that there would be no debit card in your wallet. Your transaction would either be billed to your cell phone bill or they would use Authorize.net or similar to go around the banks and their issues. The banks are so far down in the chain that they are in effect easily replaced in the commerce process.
If the banks thought losing ATM fees was a big deal, they might as well go and jump off buildings because the new technology chain is such that they are no longer even relevant to the commerce process. ALL they do is provide a place for me to store my money... and heaven help them as more people have the ability to store that electronically.
Yeah.. no building names (used a lot here in Japan at least), no subway signs, most street names missing...
I really hope they flesh all this out during the next months before it officially releases, otherwise people will just stop using the map app and simply check the Google app whenever they release it...
I really hope they flesh all this out during the next months before it officially releases, otherwise people will just stop using the map app and simply check the Google app whenever they release it...
I just installed the beta on my iPad 2 an hour ago and it's been pretty neat.
The photostream sharing is pretty damn awesome, just create a photostream, add some friends and they get notified every time a new image gets added, allowing them to add comments and stuff.
My parents are going to love that feature, no joke.
The photostream sharing is pretty damn awesome, just create a photostream, add some friends and they get notified every time a new image gets added, allowing them to add comments and stuff.
My parents are going to love that feature, no joke.
Phoenix
Member
You kinda have to do that on certain currently unreleased 4.0x Android devices already. If the phone is locked you can't shut it down until you unlock. I'm hoping that is a defect though.
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