Japan's shrine head priests release an official statement condemning Ubisoft's lack of cultural respect and racism in Assassin's Creed Shadows

MMaRsu

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MMaRsu MMaRsu Yeah I read what was on the web page and was paying attention for the las couple years as this story developed so I already knew this..

what I said remains true. Thomas Lockley work did cause some misinformation on details of Yasuke's life to be spread the Yasuke is a real, recorded historical figure ant the majority of people have only heard true details about him.

Even people that Use Lockley as a source for their video and such usually only quote the basic knowledge wwhich is true and.
Yeah but that lockley guy I dont believe for a second

But hand written accounts from Diary's are obviously true



In the comments there are links to the Portugese diary's
 
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I don't like AC Shadows and I wish it to fail so Ubisoft can finally get a grip on reality or go bankrupt. and sell their IPs to someone who knows how to make games.

But screw him and this cry over his culture either. I don't care if this game is 1000% culturally accurate. Like any game.

My country's culture has always been terribly represented in games and movies. So what? Force all developers to cater to the wishes of every history buff in the world to make sure the cultures they depict in their games are accurate, or what? No, let the developers just think about how to make good games, and not being forced to make them 1000% historically accurate

If you dig into Nioh, Rise of Ronin, Sekiro or anything else, you'll find just as many inaccuracies. No one wants to dig that deep into those games, but AC Shadows has become a scapegoat. They're just riding the AC Shadows hate trend.

In most of my posts i hate on DIE but this Yasuke drama is cringe either. The problem is that it is again forced diversity not that a samurai can't be black. Samurai can be whoever devs want in their games.
100% agree. Why is the Japanese culture the only one that gets up and arms like this? They need to grow a spine. I say this as someone who finds Japan to be one of the most fascinating countries in the world, but the country has this proud heritage of their distant past while completely ignoring their more problematic recent history

When it comes to Yasuke, I do find it jawdropping that he can just go around piking these small Japanese warriors in the air. Given the amount of racism towards black people in Japan, you know there is a strong base of Japanese gamers that are so offended by it, I can't help but laugh
 
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Zathalus

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Yasuke story is not even real, it was fabricated by a fraud.

"The university fired Lockley and began to investigate the veracity of his book" - this never happened, as you can see here: https://researcher-web.nihon-u.ac.jp/search/detail?systemId=b821967215ac2300740660f458cd5cad&lang=en

Yasuke certainly existed and has media about him going back decades, he isn't some unknown figure that was discovered a few years ago. The Thomas Lockley book is mostly historical fiction, but the core tenants that Yasuke existed, he met Nobunaga, he was given a sword, stipend, and a house are all documented. He was also named a bushi, and it was even written that was due his own fiefdom.

I suggest watching Metatron about this, he is hardly left-leaning or pushes any DEI agenda that you might have a problem with:



 
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a'la mode

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I am be insensitive but it reminds me some discussion on violent games where people had a problem when it comes to kill animals. "Ho no ! I have to kill a dog ! That's horrible and shouldn't not be allow !" but they have no problem murdering dozens of humans.

Here it's the same, killing or drawing weapons in a shrine is unacceptable but overall killing humans in other part of the game is fine.

It's usually just some weirdo with a really specific interest or passion coupled with a trouble understanding the distinction between fact and fiction. Any normally adjusted person can understand the separation, and also understands that just because the player can attack or destroy some assets in a virtual depiction of a location, even a culturally significant one, it's not a statement or endorsement of any position or similar behavior towards said location or culture. The player's actions are more often than not also not anything like that.

ACs have had the generic "we are a multicultural team of developers and no offense is intended" boilerplate for ages, but you always get that one person knee-jerking with a surface level reaction and shouting THIS IS AN OUTRAGE anyway.
 

Lethal01

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Yeah but that lockley guy I dont believe for a second

But hand written accounts from Diary's are obviously true



In the comments there are links to the Portugese diary's


Yes, i have already read every historical account of him I don't know about "not believing lockley for a second"
I think he wrote two book on yasuke one being mostly about What we know for a fact about Yasuke, With some context of what we know for a fact was happening at the time in japan and sensible speculation on things like what part of Africa Yasuke might have come from or about things like why Akechi insulted him so harshly like the reddit post you link does..
Another being much more clearly a fictional story about Yasuke complete with fictional conversations between Yasuke and others.
 

diffusionx

Gold Member
This is beyond cringe at this point, Ubisoft has been fucking up history and taking massive liberties for 20 years and it was fine till it was glorious Nippon.
This is the first AC game set in "glorious Nippon."

And FWIW a lot of people here weren't happy with the way Ubi shit on our history in AC3, guess only Japan and the USA care about its past.
 

E-Cat

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How can it be racist? It literally substituted black people for honorary white people. Therefore, it's logically impossible to be racist.
 

Impotaku

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As much as I like japan & it’s culture it’s a bit rich hearing Japanese talk about racism. The same japan that tars every single tourist as a problem if even a single one does something wrong.
 
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Sometimes I really don't get this forum.

When the game was announced, most people here were mocking Ubi for their wokeness and their inability to portray Japanese culture, architecture, or anything right... but now that Japanese officials are getting involved, suddenly none of that matters anymore? Is this some basic anti-Japanese feeling I'm not American enough to understand? I don't remember seeing these reactions when Egypt banned a TV show for having a black Cleopatra...
 

LordCBH

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the wolf of wall street idgaf GIF
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Its Assassins Creed.
Dont we fight the frikken Pope in Assassins Creed 2.
Its a frikken video game, gonna cry about someone shooting arrows in a shrine?

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Ironically the architecture in Assassins Creed games actually make me want to visit these locations in real life because i think just pictures doesnt do them justice being able to explore them in 3D is awe inspiring.
AC2
Unity with basically every tall building
Syndicate - Ended up actually visiting quite a number of the locations IRL too.
Origins with the Pyramids
The shrines and the castles look to be well modelled in Shadows so itll probably also inspire me to put them on my travel list.




I will make sure to destroy every shrine in the game.

We choose to go to hunt Shrine priests in Shadows and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard; because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one we intend to win, and the others, too


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I will never get over the stupidity of this game starring a black guy. You can just imagine when these woke morons found the Yasuke story and realised they could shoe-horn a black guy in. They must have felt like they hit the mother-lode.

You dont have to play the black guy.
If you want to hurt the soys offended by arrow shooting and shoe wearing in shrines in a damn videogame but are also too touched to do it as a black character then dont use Yasuke
Win win.
Ohhh but you are gonna have to play a girl though..........so maybe not so win win?

P.S The you isnt you specifically. So this aint a personal attack.
 

ungalo

Member
Sometimes I really don't get this forum.

When the game was announced, most people here were mocking Ubi for their wokeness and their inability to portray Japanese culture, architecture, or anything right... but now that Japanese officials are getting involved, suddenly none of that matters anymore? Is this some basic anti-Japanese feeling I'm not American enough to understand? I don't remember seeing these reactions when Egypt banned a TV show for having a black Cleopatra...
I didn't read what the guy said but if he's talking about straight up racism it's stupid. Don't add dumb shit on top of dumb shit like that.
 

DelireMan7

Member
I LOVE Sekiro it’s one of my favourite games ever but in that game you also go to shrines and kill monks who gone corrupt…..Is Sekiro insulting Japanese culture?
I was thinking about the same example before. In Sekiro it's fine but not in Assassin's Creed.
 

diffusionx

Gold Member
I LOVE Sekiro it’s one of my favourite games ever but in that game you also go to shrines and kill monks who gone corrupt…..Is Sekiro insulting Japanese culture?

The people here are speaking about specific shrines. Sekiro is a totally fake setting, with fake shrines, based on a fake religion in the setting of the game.

This stuff really isn't that difficult, guys.
 
Something tells me this happened cause a bunch of Internet warriors contacted the organisation and painted the scene to make ubi look bad. I don't think those priests would have ever known otherwise
 

Hookshot

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I LOVE Sekiro it’s one of my favourite games ever but in that game you also go to shrines and kill monks who gone corrupt…..Is Sekiro insulting Japanese culture?

Are they just random made up shrines or are they actual places recreated from photos of existing shrines.
 

Zathalus

Member
The people here are speaking about specific shrines. Sekiro is a totally fake setting, with fake shrines, based on a fake religion in the setting of the game.

This stuff really isn't that difficult, guys.
Rise of the Ronin has real shrines. You can kill in them and destroy a bunch of stuff. In fact Rise allows you to do many of the exact same “woke” things that people accuse Shadows of.
 

diffusionx

Gold Member
Rise of the Ronin has real shrines. You can kill in them and destroy a bunch of stuff. In fact Rise allows you to do many of the exact same “woke” things that people accuse Shadows of.
take it up with the people who made the video then lol
 

AJUMP23

Parody of actual AJUMP23
UBI knows they have a PR problem with this game. They have released statements about it. Probably delayed it some to get out of it. I guess we will find out soon.
 
It would be hilarious to me to somehow see the game banned from sale in Japan.
It would be pointless, nobody in Japan bought AC games before this one

In general AC is a franchise only Westerners buy, it has zero Asian presence

The reality is they are getting away with having Yasuke in this game because it's meant for woke Western gamers, Ubisoft had zero expectations of selling it in Asia from Day 1
 

HerjansEagleFeeder

Gold Member
a) I think it applies to other art forms as well. All of them should be allowed to mock or insult whatever culture they want. Who is the arbiter of what is a good reason? Also, you seem to be acting as if the game was some super-insulting parody of the Japanese culture. Isn't all of this drama just because of destroyable shrines in the open world. Meaning it's not even a mission?

b) Now you are just making stuff up. I never said everyone who doesn't think like me is sick or insane.
a) The shrine-thing is certaintly an important aspect of the whole situation, but not the only point of criticism. Have you seen the discussions around the main character and his historical background as it relates to what the designers of this game made of him? Japanese YouTube/social media is full of examples of offensive content. Obviously I am not offended by it personally, if not because I'm not Japanese. I also don't advertise for making it illegal to insult others in a racist and chauvinistic manner. I just find it uncultured and think companies like Ubisoft should not do it. It's bad taste.

b) You wrote people who have different moral tastebuds from you should "seek treatment". Seeking treatment implies some form of sickness, no?
 

Beechos

Member
So much outrage over fiction. You create the work you control the narrative. Don't like it? Don't buy it, read it, watch it, play it, listen to it, etc.....theres so much out there to consume.
 

diffusionx

Gold Member
Nah, just pointing out you weaseling out of the conversation and your first original in this instance.

Gonna be playing this one for sure tho. (y)
I didn't make the video or play Rise of the Ronin that much. They're attacking AC Shadows on specific grounds. If those grounds apply to another game, point it out to them. These guys don't look like gamers.

It's not my job to police videogame shrine usage or the people who criticize videogame shrine usage, fuck off.
 
I wanted Ubisoft to go on full stupid with this by having the black guy as the first Shogun (a dubious claim by afrocentrists) and then proclaiming it as a historical fact just for the lols.

But this is still pretty good with so many controversies.
 

DelireMan7

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It's a terrible example. Did From ever claim there was any historic character in Sekiro?
Honestly I don't even understand what it changes.

Sekiro's monk and temple, and overall the world of Sekiro, is heavily inspired by feodal Japan.

AC use history as a setting since the beginning of the franchise and made it into a fiction. It was never a problem. But now it's disrespecting a whole country and culture...
Are some people taking AC for real history books ?
 

Zacfoldor

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This won't change any minds.

I wish I knew the words that would. Don't let Ubisoft win, they are the epitome of woke. They have made their games worse for decades to push "the agenda." No matter how woke you are, you are not as woke as the leadership at Ubiwoke.
 

WellSheet

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i agree with the sentiments that Ubisoft has the right to make whatever game they want and tell whatever story they want - it’s just painfully obvious their choice was borne from the oh-to-easy-to-spot virtue signaling/DEI/etc camp- of thought processes. They did this, in whatever stupid progressive socio-political way, to garner brownie points; they likely also did it to have these very conversations arise. Any publicity is GOOD publicity, right?

My personal buggaboo with this whole thing is not the “disrespectful” nature of portraying the Japanese cultures and customs, that’s a stupid argument because everyone/everywhere appropriates shit to fit their creative needs and liberties.

My issue, and I’m sure many many others are able to divide it, is they chose Yasuke for what REAL reason? Someone’s Intent is hard to prove, so all Ubi’s bullshit about Yasuke’s provably false basis’ for being included in the story as they have is hard to give them a pass on. And that last statement is even me being generous, it’s utter bullshit that they think they could pass that off as some sort of quasi historical basis. We all know, even though they’ll never admit it, they put him in the game because he’s black and they thought that would spice up the games, appeal, and likely it’s IMPACT with journalist types who fight for the cause of these type of situations. And like I said above, there is no way they didn’t know it was going to be controversial among the loud minority on the Internet, who is sick of the shit.
 

rodrigolfp

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Honestly I don't even understand what it changes.

Sekiro's monk and temple, and overall the world of Sekiro, is heavily inspired by feodal Japan.

AC use history as a setting since the beginning of the franchise and made it into a fiction. It was never a problem. But now it's disrespecting a whole country and culture...
Are some people taking AC for real history books ?
It's just Ubisoft haters.

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It is this since the first AC.
 
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diffusionx

Gold Member
i agree with the sentiments that Ubisoft has the right to make whatever game they want and tell whatever story they want - it’s just painfully obvious their choice was borne from the oh-to-easy-to-spot virtue signaling/DEI/etc camp- of thought processes. They did this, in whatever stupid progressive socio-political way, to garner brownie points; they likely also did it to have these very conversations arise. Any publicity is GOOD publicity, right?

My personal buggaboo with this whole thing is not the “disrespectful” nature of portraying the Japanese cultures and customs, that’s a stupid argument because everyone/everywhere appropriates shit to fit their creative needs and liberties.

My issue, and I’m sure many many others are able to divide it, is they chose Yasuke for what REAL reason? Someone’s Intent is hard to prove, so all Ubi’s bullshit about Yasuke’s provably false basis’ for being included in the story as they have is hard to give them a pass on. And that last statement is even me being generous, it’s utter bullshit that they think they could pass that off as some sort of quasi historical basis. We all know, even though they’ll never admit it, they put him in the game because he’s black and they thought that would spice up the games, appeal, and likely it’s IMPACT with journalist types who fight for the cause of these type of situations. And like I said above, there is no way they didn’t know it was going to be controversial among the loud minority on the Internet, who is sick of the shit.
You know the real reason, come on.

 

WellSheet

Member
You know the real reason, come on.

Oh baby duck, I’m right there with you (I even say it’s likely propagated DEI BS in my first few sentences).

I just think the people who defend it as anything other are woefully ignorant to the OBVIOUS mission statement these people fuel their endeavors by; their mission is to “diversify” shit that REQUIRES NONE OF IT TO BE DIVERSIFIED. It’s being done just for the sake of doing it, so it sticks out like…a 6’5 black guy would in feudal Japan I suppose 😬
 

StereoVsn

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I mean, it's a bit cherry-picky for my taste considering how Japan is portrayed in many games/anime etc. (and how Japan portrays other cultures) but I agree with what one of the fellas above said, I think it's hilarious that it's ubisoft that's getting sandbagged so I'm totally fine with it.
Yep, the whole thing is overblown, but seeing Ubisoft being dunked on is pretty funny.
 
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