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Jet collides with helicopter near D.C.
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ClanOfNone
Member
The amount of stress that goes with it must be something else. If you’re a surgeon and you fuck up, somebody might die. If you’re an ATC and you fuck up, hundreds might die.
I’m pretty sure they make good money but I’m betting it ain’t enough.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Dont watch this air traffic controller movie.
Punch it!
Punch it!
newtypepilot
Member
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Yes.
Trump’s doing his best to point fingers and put blame elsewhere but this is the result of his actions.
The Federal “buyout” was somehow Elon Musk getting into the Office of Personnel management and sending out an email trying to get people to sign a resignation letter. In no way was it a buyout. Apparently some of Trump’s people were blindsided by it. It’s disgusting as they’re trying yo eliminate Federal jobs.
As for an investigation, I’ll believe the findings just as much as I believe Russian detractors magically falling out of windows.
People complaining about this being politicized…where the hell have you been living? If Biden fired people and gutted the Aviation Safety Commitee you know damn well Fox News, Newmax, your boomer Aunt, and everyone else would be nonstop attacking him. EVERYTHING is politicized now, but this tragic accident happened because of sheer stupidity from Trump on his Revenge Tour.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
There’s the 200ft maximum altitude I mentioned to stay below arrivals.
The Black Hawk was double the altitude it should have been.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
No the fuck it isn’t. Stop being a retard.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
What angers me is how AS SOON AS Trump said "DEI is to blame" after NO FACTS about hiring or staffing had yet to be found explaining any of this, folks bought his words as if they were scripture.
You lot should be smarter than that! You can't blame EVERYTHING on DEI... FFS!
You lot should be smarter than that! You can't blame EVERYTHING on DEI... FFS!
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SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Bullshit, and you know it. This is the result of his incompetence and reckless behavior. The same jackass who tried cutting all Federal Aid.
HE’s a fucking retard, and that’s who retards voted to run this country into the ground because of fucking groceries.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You’re a retard if you think he was the cause of this. Total TDS retarded.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Kacho
Gold Member
He isn’t blaming DEI for this.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
He's believing everything Trump is saying. He's taking culture war tomfoolery as if it's fact!
Kacho
Gold Member
No he isn’t. He’s saying Trump devalues criticisms against DEI by blaming this tragedy on DEI.
He has a pretty reasonable take in the video. I’m not surprised it does over your head. You’re not a bright person.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I was skipping through the video ... But the parts I heard were him saying the president is correct. Maybe I didn't get the full gist as I was skipping but it didn't need to devolve into personal insults.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
That’s America for you.
He addressed the nation and had a moment of silence only to draw blame away from himself, and cast it on everyone else. Just like he always does.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
If Biden were President I guarantee you’d be blaming him.
You can gargle those Trump balls all you want. Everything that fucktard has done this week, has set us back. He’s done NOTHING for the middle class. Not a fucking thing, and he never will.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Go smoke some more paint chips with your low IQ takes.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Instead of focusing on the people that died, here we are focusing on Trump dividing us.
I'm done talking about this dude.
I saw the news earlier and Nancy Kerrigan was on there. Apparently some of the figure skaters were from her organization. Just sad.
I'm done talking about this dude.
I saw the news earlier and Nancy Kerrigan was on there. Apparently some of the figure skaters were from her organization. Just sad.
Kacho
Gold Member
You don’t say.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Trump isn’t dividing us. People have said their peace about those that died.
You’re responsible for your own actions and whether you choose to be “divided.”
violence
Member
They asked Trump again about DEI being the cause during his executive order signing for aviation safety and he just said “It may have. I don’t know.” So it seems like he’s softening on that opinion.
The military is training Gen Z now so they’re doing the best they can.
The military is training Gen Z now so they’re doing the best they can.
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SlyDoughnut
Neo Member
It's piece. And the pres should be the one leading by example. If he was any kind of decent leader he'd have said or thoughts and prayers for all the families etc not come out with a vile cheap politicised attack on it being the gays / coloreds / disabled / libtards fault. Then again he knows his low iq cult will lap anything up.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The pipeline has been depleted since the Obama administration where they tossed out nearly 1,000 qualified applicants based on race snd it was never replenished. Understaffed due to poor priorities.
www.foxbusiness.com
They even gave math curves based on race if your math was poor. I’d like to think math is pretty damned important in ATC.
Math, like a Black Hawk flying at 400-500ft when they’re supposed to be flying at 200ft max in that area.
They even said Trump should not have said it, which I agree with.
ATC immunity clause in 2013 where if an ATC has “operation errors” more than a few times, they are able to use immunity and they don’t have to be re-trained and can hold the same job position. No accountability, essentially.
FAA lawsuit claims agency discriminated against air traffic controller applicants on the basis of race | Fox Business
A class action lawsuit filed against the Federal Aviation Administration accused the agency of hiring air traffic controllers solely based on race, not merit.
www.foxbusiness.com
They even gave math curves based on race if your math was poor. I’d like to think math is pretty damned important in ATC.
Math, like a Black Hawk flying at 400-500ft when they’re supposed to be flying at 200ft max in that area.
They even said Trump should not have said it, which I agree with.
Ironic. Especially who liked your post.
ATC immunity clause in 2013 where if an ATC has “operation errors” more than a few times, they are able to use immunity and they don’t have to be re-trained and can hold the same job position. No accountability, essentially.
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MikeM
Member
No u
In all seriousness, i’m waiting for Trump to pull DEI on Canadian and Mexican tariffs.
“You see, those canadians and mexicans. They hire retards. Thats why they get tariffs because I don’t like retards. We subsidize their retards. So I placed the most beautiful tariffs you’ve ever seen in the history of the United States.”
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
No u
In all seriousness, i’m waiting for Trump to pull DEI on Canadian and Mexican tariffs.
“You see, those canadians and mexicans. They hire retards. Thats why they get tariffs because I don’t like retards. We subsidize their retards. So I placed the most beautiful tariffs you’ve ever seen in the history of the United States.”
Pegasus Actual
Member
I see the one Asmongold video and that is fantastic but unless I'm missing something I'm not seeing two Asmongold videos so let me just go ahead and remedy that:
I collect VHS tapes
Member
if staffing ATC has been a problem the gov couldn’t solve in years and years and years maybe it should be privatized
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March Climber
Member
DeepEnigma
Quick question, looking for a level headed answer:How many months or years into a term should one wait until it’s acceptable to start criticizing the current ones in office for their actions?
MayauMiao
Member
To me it sounded like this was an accident waiting to happen. Plenty of those near misses happened in previous years.
simpleflying.com
This was from last year:
FAA Identifies 19 Serious Near Miss Incidents In 2023: The Most In 7 Years
Controller shortage is becoming a safety issue.
simpleflying.com
This was from last year:
thefool
Member
A year old article about the insanity of pushing diversity into air traffic.
I would seriously advise any american to not put your ass on a plane until the competence of the air controllers is assessed. This sort of event is unacceptable, it requires too many mistakes to happen.
I would seriously advise any american to not put your ass on a plane until the competence of the air controllers is assessed. This sort of event is unacceptable, it requires too many mistakes to happen.
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MisterFalcon
Member
Trump should ground all planes until the scourge of DEI hired ATCs is cleaned out. Or fire them all like Reagan did.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Helicopters flying along Potomac frequently pose dangers to passenger jets
On Tuesday night, just 24 hours before a deadly collision between a military helicopter and a regional jet at Reagan National Airport, a different passenger jet coming in for a landing at the airport alerted the tower it had to abort. The reason: risk of possible collision with a helicopter.
A similar situation played out less than a week earlier, on Jan. 23, when a flight from Charlotte suddenly pulled out of its approach at National. The captain informed passengers that he was tracking a helicopter and needed to abort the landing.
“They had to circle back around because there was a helicopter in the flight path,” Richard Hart, a passenger returning from a business trip, recalled the pilot announcing. “At the time I found it odd. ... Now I find it disturbingly tragic.”
The two scrubbed landings within a week illustrate the heightened danger posed by frequent military helicopter flights adjacent to the busy airport, which have been the source of close calls and worries about crashes for years.
The U.S. Army Black Hawk that crashed into an American Airlines regional jet Wednesday night and killed 64 people, as well as three Army crew members on the chopper, had been flying along the east bank of the Potomac River in a flight corridor designated for low-flying helicopters.
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SmokedMeat
Gamer™
The pipeline has been depleted since the Obama administration where they tossed out nearly 1,000 qualified applicants based on race snd it was never replenished. Understaffed due to poor priorities.
FAA lawsuit claims agency discriminated against air traffic controller applicants on the basis of race | Fox Business
A class action lawsuit filed against the Federal Aviation Administration accused the agency of hiring air traffic controllers solely based on race, not merit.
Never heard of this, and read about it this morning. What the hell, how do you base hiring on a questionnaire that flip flops on the qualities that matter most in an applicant? Apparently even high scoring minorities were passed up as well.
Not sure about the pipeline being depleted. Apparently 2024 the FAA passed their goal of hiring 1800 new air traffic controllers.
https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-hits-air-traffic-controller-hiring-goal. Who they hired is anyone’s guess, but I assume they would’ve had to go through the academy.
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
The continued tactic of blaming minorities when bad things happen is starting to get really fucking old. And so many smooth brains eat it up.
Especially when lives are lost like in this situation.
Especially when lives are lost like in this situation.
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ChuckeRearmed
Member
I guess depending on your origin, you view the screens differently
ManaByte
Member
Do you know what it takes to become an ATC? I do, I almost went for it. But the stress is way too much.
They go through rigorous training. It's basically like military boot camp. You go to a training camp for several weeks, after which they assign you to an airport anywhere in the country.
It's not a job someone with an equitable environmental justice degree fresh out of college can just be placed into.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
It is for sure a very stressful job. Plus often it tends to use outdated software (written years ago) and so on. It is similar to stock market jobs - you will age faster.
That is often assumed for a lot of job - but I think more often it is not THAT strict and people get a passing grade. It is just like grades at school - as long as the higher ups are not accountable, nobody cares.
ManaByte
Member
No, again this is seriously like military boot camp. Heavy training and (mental) conditioning. It's not something someone just off the street can do and they have a very specific applicant pool who WANT to do the job, but the FAA has been rejecting them due to DEI hiring practices.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
I think AI should help there. After all it is able to make decisions based on real data and route the planes.
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Trilobit
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