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A MacPro (bootcamp) and a PS4 for Sony/console exclusives. Me would be super happy.
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This.
A MacPro (bootcamp) and a PS4 for Sony/console exclusives. Me would be super happy.
Shikamaru Ninja
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What's this The Order isn't really a first-party game rhetoric about?
1. The Order is copyrighted and trademarked by SCEA
2. The Order is published by SCEA
3. The Order is produced by SCEA and SCE Santa Monica Studio
4. The Order is developed by Ready At Dawn Studios under SCEWW
Just the first two alone make it a first-party game.
1. The Order is copyrighted and trademarked by SCEA
2. The Order is published by SCEA
3. The Order is produced by SCEA and SCE Santa Monica Studio
4. The Order is developed by Ready At Dawn Studios under SCEWW
Just the first two alone make it a first-party game.
ArkhamFantasy
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Ready At Dawn isn't a first party studio, im hoping that will change soon.
If it meant more staff sure but it won't. Look at Sucker Punch and Evo... understaffed.
I find it silly myself. If anyone argues that games like The Order and Bloodborne aren't first party, just remind them that the new Smash Bros was developed by Namco and therefore isn't a first party Nintendo game according to their logic. They shut up quick haha.
My personal criteria is published, funded, and owned by a console manufacturer.
JuanLatino
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Mass_Pincup
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I don't know about Evo but Sucker Punch chose to be a one team studio: http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2014/02/04/sucker-punch-were-a-one-team-studio/
I agree on third party titles being what sell consoles to the masses, but I gotta say... I thought Resistance and Heavenly Sword were hot trash and I can recall them being received as such at the time (This could be me misremembering admittedly).
LiquidSolid
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Resistance was a good game and had a pretty dedicated fanbase (who Insomniac would later shit on with Resistance 2).
Heavenly Sword though, yeah. If he thinks The Order is meh, I'd love to see him try to justify saying Heavenly Sword was good. It was pretty for a first generation PS3 game and had good voice acting but that was pretty much all it did well. The story, combat, bosses and level design were all pretty bad.
And as jackissocool pointed out, he conveniently ignored all the small first party titles Sony have released (though Velocity 2X shouldn't be on that list at all).
jackissocool
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Resistance was definitely very well received critically and commercially. Heavenly Sword got middling reception.
I put V2X because it was a pub fund game and a true exclusive and Futurlab has a very close relationship with SCEE. I know it's a stretch but the game wouldn't exist without Sony and I just love it.
Can Crusher
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Fixed.
From my experience, so far the PS4 has been a much better experience than my PS3 was in the same period thanks to a more robust online experience and third party support.
Sephiroth_GR_
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Now Compare this to PS3 Exclusive games within the same time frame.
- Resistance Fall of Man was Good
- Motorstorm was Good
- MLB 07 The Show was Good
- Lair [not exactly a First Party game] was Bad
- Warhawk was Good
- Heavenly Sword was Good
- Folklore was THE BEST!!!
- Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction was Good
- Uncharted Drake's Fortune was Great
Fixed.
LiquidSolid
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The thread is about first party games, trying to muddy the waters by including third party games, regardless of circumstance (pub funded, exclusivity or whatever) is just going to lead to a clusterfuck.
If Futurlab ends up selling Velocity to Sony, like Housemarque did with Super Stardust, then fine. Until then, it's third party.
Melchiah
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Alternatively, from my point of view...
PS4:
- Killzone: SF wasn't without faults, but I found it enjoyable
- Knack wasn't my kind of game
- Resogun was great
- inFamous: SS was very good
- MLB 14 - not interested in sports
- TLOU:R - it was great to play it again in a better form
- inFamous: FL was very good
- DriveClub is the best racing game in years
- LBP3 wasn't my kind of game
- The Order 1886 wasn't without faults, but I found it very enjoyable
PS3:
- RFOM was great
- Motorstorm was pretty good, but lacked local multiplayer
- MLB 07 - not interested in sports
- Lair - apparently awful
- Warhawk - not my kind of game
- Heavenly Sword was mediocre, and I never finished it
- R&C:TOD wasn't to my taste, and I never finished it
- Uncharted: DF I skipped altogether based on the demo
The PS3 had only two games, RFOM, and MotorStorm, in the same frame that I enjoyed, whereas the PS4 had seven games, which only goes to show how these things differ from one person to another.
I was under the same impression. Did not enjoy resistance (like 2 and 3 more) and I did play heavenly sword but performance on that game struggled at times
Melchiah
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RFOM's Metacritic average is 86, and 8.1 on the user side. I guess it shows how things have changed, that Heavenly Sword has 79, and 8.3 user average. I imagine it would have scored far lower today.
Pound_lb003
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Those PS3 games were not perceived that nicely back then. And if you're trying to say they were, that's more than a little revisionist.
To be fair, I don't think that's right anyway, but I think there's more than a little hyperbole to the quality you attribute to the PS4 games.
brickarts295
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My Bad, I didn't mean to make things get out of hand XD
I should have put that it wasn't based on my opinion, more like the general consensus.
Let me revise the List
So this is how the PS4 Exclusive games are looking so far
Killzone SF was Okay
Knack (Opinion is split in the middle some think it was Okay, some think it was Meh)
inFamous Second was Good
MLB 14 The Show was Good
The Last of Us Remastered was Excellent but it was also a port.
DriveClub started as Meh is now considered Good
LBP 3 was Good
The Order 1886 (Opinion is split in the middle some think it was Good, some think it was Meh)
In addition, Downloadable Exclusive releases include:
Hohokum was Great
Counterspy was Good
Resogun was Great
Velocity 2X was Great
Doki Doki Universe was Meh
Entwined was Meh
inFamous First Light was Good
Now Compare this to PS3 Exclusive games within the same time frame.
Resistance Fall of Man (Opinion is split in the middle some think is Good, some think is was Meh)
Motorstorm was Good
MLB 07 The Show was Good
Lair was Bad
Warhawk was Good
Heavenly Sword (Opinion is split in the middle some think is Good, some think it was Meh)
Folklore was Okay
Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction was Good
Uncharted Drake's Fortune was Good
In addition, Downloadable Exclusive releases include:
Flow was Good
Super Stardust HD was Great
Pain was Meh
High Velocity Bowling was Okay
Okay so now it is a bit more fair, I hope. PS4 is killing it when it comes to Downloadable games and as for Retail games, the PS3 has a small lead which is not saying much especially when you compare what came in 2008 to whats coming in 2015.
I'll be interesting to see if Bloodborne can be a better 3rd Party Exclusive than MGS4 .
I should have put that it wasn't based on my opinion, more like the general consensus.
Let me revise the List
So this is how the PS4 Exclusive games are looking so far
Killzone SF was Okay
Knack (Opinion is split in the middle some think it was Okay, some think it was Meh)
inFamous Second was Good
MLB 14 The Show was Good
The Last of Us Remastered was Excellent but it was also a port.
DriveClub started as Meh is now considered Good
LBP 3 was Good
The Order 1886 (Opinion is split in the middle some think it was Good, some think it was Meh)
In addition, Downloadable Exclusive releases include:
Hohokum was Great
Counterspy was Good
Resogun was Great
Velocity 2X was Great
Doki Doki Universe was Meh
Entwined was Meh
inFamous First Light was Good
Now Compare this to PS3 Exclusive games within the same time frame.
Resistance Fall of Man (Opinion is split in the middle some think is Good, some think is was Meh)
Motorstorm was Good
MLB 07 The Show was Good
Lair was Bad
Warhawk was Good
Heavenly Sword (Opinion is split in the middle some think is Good, some think it was Meh)
Folklore was Okay
Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction was Good
Uncharted Drake's Fortune was Good
In addition, Downloadable Exclusive releases include:
Flow was Good
Super Stardust HD was Great
Pain was Meh
High Velocity Bowling was Okay
Okay so now it is a bit more fair, I hope. PS4 is killing it when it comes to Downloadable games and as for Retail games, the PS3 has a small lead which is not saying much especially when you compare what came in 2008 to whats coming in 2015.
I'll be interesting to see if Bloodborne can be a better 3rd Party Exclusive than MGS4 .
jackissocool
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Bloodborne is totally different from MGS4, though. MGS4 was the last gasp of the trend of major third party exclusives that weren't moneyhats. Bloodborne is being published and partially developed by Sony and they own the IP.
And I see you downgrading First Light to good from great. I see you. I see you.
Spyder_Monkey
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Oh goody, more list wars!!! All we need are metacritic scores and the prophecy will be complete.
As for the OP I'm really hoping that Sony Japan RPG comes to fruition. More JRPGs are never a bad thing.
As for the OP I'm really hoping that Sony Japan RPG comes to fruition. More JRPGs are never a bad thing.
JuanLatino
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i expect a E3 Reveal basend on Verendus statements
JuanLatino
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& what happens if Verendus wasn't right
he didnt say anything, its just my own assumption based on his hints.
1.He said it will be an Big Budget JRPG for an worldwide audience - so E3 would be the best place to reveal it
2.I remember him saying this game will be revealed in 2015
So my Guess e3 2015
he didnt say anything, its just my own assumption based on his hints.
1.He said it will be an Big Budget JRPG for an worldwide audience - so E3 would be the best place to reveal it
2.I remember him saying this game will be revealed in 2015
So my Guess e3 2015
I meant generally, he posted a list.
i'm not refering only that JRPG
Rogue_Ledr
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So is Bloodborne Sony's first chance for a truly great 1st Party Release?
Well, OK 2nd party, but same difference.
I'd argue Infamous: Second Son was a truly great game.
Well, OK 2nd party, but same difference.
I'd argue Infamous: Second Son was a truly great game.
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Deleted member 80556
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Pretty sure they are in pre production or just entering main production according to Verendus. Or what statements do you mean?
Didnt he said that Sony japan developing a JRPG
I guess Level 5 is developing another game
Shikamaru Ninja
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Has there been any mention of any other future SCE studios? I know SONY still has a facility in Salt Lake City (which I think housed some R&D and Incognito inc?), and there have been rumors of a facility in China.
JuanLatino
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He said this a few weeks ago
He said its a bid budget Japano Rpg from Sony Japan
Omnistalgic
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Hmmm, I'm not sure which console I was enjoying more at this point. I think I played more on PS3 early on, so I guess I'll have to with Resistance, Motorstorm, Warhawk and Stadust. When Pixel Junk Monsters came out, I was addicted for a good month or two as well. PS4 hasn't been bad though, fell in love with Infamous, Destiny, and now DriveClub. But still looking for another Pixel Junk moment.
He meant Level 5 Game & Sony japan JRPG, right
Omnistalgic
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Mechanically I agree, but it was missing content. I think to be truly great, it has to be a larger amount of replay value and content so it feels like one of the best $60 investments you ever made. The sequel though IMO can be a huge franchise for Sony. I keep saying it, but all Infamous needs is the standard sequel treatment, bigger/better/faster will work wonders here.
I think Blood Borne will be PS4's biggest exclusive critically, not sure about commercially though. The Order and DriveClub both seem likely to be million sellers and the current king is Killzone because so many people got it at launch.
JuanLatino
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Yes i think so
Horizon, Level 5 Rpg, Sony Japan Rpg all of them should be revealed in 2015 acc to verendus
Shikamaru Ninja
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But almost every big SCE Japan Studio game is developed by an external developer. No way I see them developing an in-house RPG.
JuanLatino
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hm maybe youre right about that...He didnt specifically say that Sony Japan is developing it
But isnt Sony Japan the biggest Studio from SCE?
The Last Guardian is developed by a big team right?
I think the important thing you have to note is the importance of the PS3 games that came out in that time period. Resistance and Uncharted became tentpole franchises for Sony, with the latter now being their most recognizable series. MLB 07 was one of the first in now what is generally considered one of the best sports series out there. Ratchet TOD had the series on the upswing and set the table for future installments.
Compare that to what we have now. Killzone 3 was thought to hopefully be an anomaly but now with ShadowFall people aren't necessarily clamoring for more. Knack was the very definition of mediocre. Driveclub could have been a big franchise to help bridge the long gaps between GT games, but the launch generated so much negativity that I'm not sure if a sequel can recover from that. LBP3 was a by the numbers version of the game that not alot people were asking for, and I'm betting most don't want a sequel unless it goes full 3D. The Order could have been a tentpole for the entire generation but now we're left wondering if a sequel will even happen.
It's so hard to compare the digital games directly because DD was hardly a big thing back in 06-07. That said, Sony is adjusting to the new state of the industry by encouraging indie devs on their platform. Then again, they are really just a far far ways away from Steam, but it comes with the nature of the platform. Still, I think in terms of importance and setting the table for much grander things, the PS4's first party lineup leaves so much to be desired.
The need for a "Killer App" hasn't really existed this generation, but still I would hope that Sony (and MS) are able to establish new franchises that we'll be talking about years from now as really important.
Exactly how I feel. Platform has been dry so far in terms of first-party. Third-party had been the hero so far.
Lion Heart
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Meh, 360 was trash from 2009-2013 and dominated in the US. Legit had no games.
In my humble opinion, Sonys first party during the PS3 era was the best first party output ever so they have a tall order to replicate that success. But the first year wasn't that strong. Going by that list:
Resistance Fall of Man--Very fun cooping with friend but it wasn't a great game
Motorstorm- Had my fill with the demo, 2 and 3 really stepped it up
MLB 07 The Show- not my bag
Lair [not exactly a First Party game]-- really bad
Warhawk--Amazing MP game
Heavenly Sword--Enjoyable romp but forgettable.
Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction--didn't play
Uncharted Drake's Fortune--amazing.
Comparing them to the PS4 counterpart, I enjoyed Shadowfall more than Resistance but it was missing Coop so thats give and take. Knack was better than Lair. Nothing is as good as Warhawk for multiplayer goodness. The Order was a better experience than Heavenly sword and very memorable. I liked Infamous better then the Ratchet series in general but didn't play Tools, Driveclub was much better than Motorstorm 1, there isn't a LBP3 equivalent and TLOU is the best game ever in 60 fps but Uncharted was a fresh experience that blew me away.
There are other games worth noting like Siren, Pixeljunk Monsters, and Folklore which brought a ton of charm that the PS4 is arguably missing. I'd give the slight edge to PS3 but its not cut and dry. I think the future is bright for PS4 and next gen consoles though due to the crazy amount of RAM alone, its a much smoother experience just playing these new consoles.
What really gives PS4 the advantage though is Multiplats compared to last gen, but this thread isn't about that.
In my humble opinion, Sonys first party during the PS3 era was the best first party output ever so they have a tall order to replicate that success. But the first year wasn't that strong. Going by that list:
Resistance Fall of Man--Very fun cooping with friend but it wasn't a great game
Motorstorm- Had my fill with the demo, 2 and 3 really stepped it up
MLB 07 The Show- not my bag
Lair [not exactly a First Party game]-- really bad
Warhawk--Amazing MP game
Heavenly Sword--Enjoyable romp but forgettable.
Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction--didn't play
Uncharted Drake's Fortune--amazing.
Comparing them to the PS4 counterpart, I enjoyed Shadowfall more than Resistance but it was missing Coop so thats give and take. Knack was better than Lair. Nothing is as good as Warhawk for multiplayer goodness. The Order was a better experience than Heavenly sword and very memorable. I liked Infamous better then the Ratchet series in general but didn't play Tools, Driveclub was much better than Motorstorm 1, there isn't a LBP3 equivalent and TLOU is the best game ever in 60 fps but Uncharted was a fresh experience that blew me away.
There are other games worth noting like Siren, Pixeljunk Monsters, and Folklore which brought a ton of charm that the PS4 is arguably missing. I'd give the slight edge to PS3 but its not cut and dry. I think the future is bright for PS4 and next gen consoles though due to the crazy amount of RAM alone, its a much smoother experience just playing these new consoles.
What really gives PS4 the advantage though is Multiplats compared to last gen, but this thread isn't about that.
Mikey Jr.
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I think he's great.
You just showed me a kids game, a racer, a third person shooter, and an action adventure game. Seems like a great diversity.
Shin-Ra
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Great news about Tarsier x Mm on Tearaway Unfolded!
Sangetsu-II
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Nom Nom Galaxy and Tomorrow Children say Hi! Though a new Pixel Junk would be good.
LiquidSolid
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It's easy to look back at that first PS3 year in hindsight and see how important Uncharted and MLB The Show were but we had no idea at the time. It wasn't until a couple years later that either of them actually became what they are now. So trying to look back on the first PS4 year after only a few months later is absurd. For all we know, The Order: 1997 and Driveclub 2 may be huge. You can't say.
Also, calling Resistance a tentpole franchise is a stretch. I'd actually consider it the opposite of Uncharted, in that it looked like it'd be a tentpole franchise for Sony but then Resistance 2 came out and killed it dead.
Hasn't this been gone over enough times already? If Sony owns, funds and publishes a title, it's first party. Lair, The Order: 1886 and Bloodborne are first party.
JuanLatino
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Just found this list again from Verendus
So the Level 5 exclusive wont be a collaboration with Sony Japan then, which means that big Budget JRPG he was talking about is not from level 5
So the Level 5 exclusive wont be a collaboration with Sony Japan then, which means that big Budget JRPG he was talking about is not from level 5
Dreadx_Jecht
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So what all is Sony Japan working on? Do they have any major non-collaboration projects in the work? Not counting last gaurdian as that seems to still be a mess.
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