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Luigi's Mansion 2: Dark Moon Review Thread

eternalb

Member
...except the game mentions that they are all ghosts that E. Gadd had previously captured. With the Poltergust, presumably. And then changed into portraits. And then freed by King Boo.

...have you even played Luigi's Mansion?

Could you be any less respectful?

Of course I've played it. My point is that the ghosts expressed no self-awareness; they offer very little in dialogue to suggest they were. To say their motivation is to avoid being captured is no different than applying that to the ghosts of Dark Moon--who we also know are also being put to task by King Boo.

I see no meaningful distinction between the presentation of the two game's ghost motivation.
 

SmokedMeat

Gamer™
LOVED the original and felt that it didn't get the appreciation it deserved. Glad to see positive reviews, and the best part; my daughter's buying it for her 3DS, so I can just bum it off her and I have a multiplayer partner!
 
I think it's fair to say that, if there were motivations to ghosts, the fact that they are not remembered or people have to be reminded of them kind of indicates most people didn't really prioritize that aspect of the game, no?

Not that I necessarily agree, but expressing bemusement or bafflement at an aspect of a review that fluffs up a part of a game most people don't really remember (fondly or otherwise) is not this out-of-nowhere crazy thing.
 
Most of them were passive, actually. Outside of the bosses, the portrait ghosts didn't even attack Luigi until he did something to upset them (vacuuming away some food, beating them in a game, hitting them with a punching bag, etc.).

Heck, one of them even helped Luigi.

It seemed more to me that they were controlled by the Boos. The Boos were the ones that released them in the first place, after all.

You're right, of course. I guess I should said instead that their motivation was to survive Luigi's Poltergust attacks. But there is never any indication that they don't know Luigi is trying to catch them to turn them back into portraits.
 

LOCK

Member
Though like most reviews, the Polygon one is good, however there are some weird quotes and assessments not seen in the others that is either straight up contradictory or nitpicked by the reviewer.

Opinions are such, I guess you would have some outliers, but this game seems to be leaning on the great side of the review curve.
 

jyao

Neo Member
Thrilled with the reviews so far! Even the less than favorable ones are great for getting an idea of people's expectations from our games.
 
Could you be any less respectful?

Of course I've played it. My point is that the ghosts expressed no self-awareness; they offer very little in dialogue to suggest they were. To say their motivation is to avoid being captured is no different than applying that to the ghosts of Dark Moon--who we also know are also being put to task by King Boo.

I see no meaningful distinction between the presentation of the two game's ghost motivation.

But their personalities are less distinct, aren't they? Visit that wiki page I linked to; there's fathers, mothers, babies, concert pianists, bodybuilders, and a host of other ghosts that look and act completely different from other ghosts.

The whole game was about capturing these characterful ghosts. You couldn't skip any of them, as far as I remember, and you had to listen to their dialogue to get clues on how to catch them. How could this not be a well remembered and well liked part of the game? Its baffling to me.
 

eternalb

Member
But their personalities are less distinct, aren't they?

Less distinct, yes. That's not what the quote said though.

The whole game was about capturing these characterful ghosts. You couldn't skip any of them, as far as I remember, and you had to listen to their dialogue to get clues on how to catch them. How could this not be a well remembered and well liked part of the game? Its baffling to me.

I literally just replayed the game less than a week ago. I remembered and loved the portrait ghosts. My issue is with the quote, as stated, doesn't make sense and was a poor way for the reviewer to convey that he misses the portrait ghosts.

Also, you didn't have to listen to their clues (mostly) since the Gameboy Horror was optional--it was more of a backup if you couldn't solve the puzzle yourself.
 
Less distinct, yes. That's not what the quote said though.



I literally just replayed the game less than a week ago. I remembered and loved the portrait ghosts. My issue is with the quote, as stated, doesn't make sense and was a poor way for the reviewer to convey that he misses the portrait ghosts.

Also, you didn't have to listen to their clues (mostly) since the Gameboy Horror was optional--it was more of a backup if you couldn't solve the puzzle yourself.

I apologize for getting snippy then. Even if the quote was poorly worded it seems people are taking issue with the fact that Polygon would even make an issue out of the ghosts having less vivid and distinct personalities than the portrait ghosts. Which is silly, because obviously capturing the portrait ghosts is kind of a huge deal in the first game.
 

Neiteio

Member
Great reviews so far. As for Polygon's verdict, I haven't read it in full, but looking at the excerpt about the ghosts' "personalities," I think I know what they're talking about.

The boss ghosts in the original all had a strong sense of history -- suggested, but there all the same. For example, the twin boys were clearly connected to the father ghost and the mother ghost, even though all three of these encounters were handled separately, each in their own room, each with their own puzzles. This time around, it appears they're trying new boss characters, a number of which are non-ghosts (animals, inanimate objects, etc) possessed by spirits.

The ghosts look as entertaining as ever, however. Lots of funny stuff: ghosts tinkering with antique cars, showering in the bathroom, etc. And of course, they're put to service across multiple mansions that now function more like the dungeons in Zelda -- lots of clever environmental interaction, puzzle-solving, etc.

Sounds good. Of the three games I'm eagerly anticipating this week -- Luigi's Mansion, BioShock Infinite, and HarmoKnight -- this is the one I want to play most.
 

Scanna

Member
Thanks for posting this, would you mind translating a small excerpt from the review to quote in the OP?

sure! sorry!
Luigi's Mansion 2 is an incredibly entertaining game, perfectly fitting the console on which it is running. Hunting ghosts and solving enemies in this Next Level Games title is pure genius and a fantastic evolution from the already awesome original game. If we add a superb technical realization and a brilliant OST, Luigi's Mansion 2 results arguably the best title for the 3DS, challenging the likes of Kid Icarus Uprising and Super Mario 3D Land.
 

eternalb

Member
I apologize for getting snippy then. Even if the quote was poorly worded it seems people are taking issue with the fact that Polygon would even make an issue out of the ghosts having less vivid and distinct personalities than the portrait ghosts. Which is silly, because obviously capturing the portrait ghosts is kind of a huge deal in the first game.

Indeed, but the reviewer frames his opinion has essentially "the ghosts have no personality and are just monsters" which is totally untrue if you've watched any of the gameplay, or some of the other reviews. The ghosts are still full of personality that varies level to level; they just lack the totally distinct personalities.

Basically, I get what the reviewer's getting at (I think), but he should have put it in a way that actually makes sense, and is clearer. because as is, his complaints specifically are without merit.
 

Lexxism

Member
The 800 reward zone points of BB is back. I'm thinking of buying this or not since the reviews are tempting me to buy one lol
 

zroid

Banned
sure! sorry!
Luigi's Mansion 2 is an incredibly entertaining game, perfectly fitting the console on which it is running. Hunting ghosts and solving enemies in this Next Level Games title is pure genius and a fantastic evolution from the already awesome original game. If we add a superb technical realization and a brilliant OST, Luigi's Mansion 2 results arguably the best title for the 3DS, challenging the likes of Kid Icarus Uprising and Super Mario 3D Land.

Thank you!
 

Oersted

Member
Germany - Top 10 preorders

1. ( 2 ) Gears of War: Judgment (Xbox 360, Microsoft)
2. ( 3 ) Luigi's Mansion 2 (3DS, Nintendo)
3. ( 9 ) LEGO City Undercover (Wii U, Nintendo)
4. (10 ) BioShock Infinite (PS3, 2K Games)
5. (NEW) The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct (PS3, Activision)
6. ( 4 ) Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 Remix (PS3, Square Enix)
7. (NEW) BioShock Infinite (Xbox 360, 2K Games)
8. (NEW) The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct (Xbox 360, Activision)
9. ( 6 ) Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag (PS3, Ubisoft)
10.(NEW) Grand Theft Auto V (PS3, Rockstar Games)

Nintendo. Now you play with games.


They also complain it's too difficult



WAAAH!

Needs more handholding to change the complains.
 

Hiltz

Member
Heh, Polygon's review had some suprising inaccuracies based on what other reviews have stated. Someone needs to tell them it isn't April Fool's Day yet.
 

Neiteio

Member
Wait so this game doesn't have special ghost characters? Just run of the mill ghosts? wtf? That sounds dumb.
It does have special ghosts, as well as some of the most unique and clever bosses in recent times. It's just that the focus is no longer on going from one special ghost to the next. The ghosts in Dark Moon are secondary to the dungeon-like design of the various mansions, and all of the exploration and discovery and puzzle-solving therein.
 

The Lamp

Member
It does have special ghosts, as well as some of the most unique and clever bosses in recent times. It's just that the focus is no longer on going from one special ghost to the next. The ghosts in Dark Moon are secondary to the dungeon-like design of the various mansions, and all of the exploration and discovery and puzzle-solving therein.

Now that sounds awesome.
 

Derrick01

Banned
Might be something I'll buy on sale or price cut when I get a 3DS. My main problem with the 1st game was that it was too shallow. It was basically a tech demo to show off the gamecube (which worked, game looked great) but there was barely any gameplay or challenge.
 

The Lamp

Member
Might be something I'll buy on sale or price cut when I get a 3DS. My main problem with the 1st game was that it was too shallow. It was basically a tech demo to show off the gamecube (which worked, game looked great) but there was barely any gameplay or challenge.

The problem is that Nintendo games don't really get price cuts...at least not for a very long time.
 

VanWinkle

Member
The problem is that Nintendo games don't really get price cuts...at least not for a very long time.

That's true for a lot of them. It's annoying. I'll probably have to wait a decade or more to buy NSMB2 at an affordable price lol...actually, I think NSMB for DS is still $34.99. Man I hate that about Nintendo.
 

zroid

Banned
In my experience, pre-ordering is usually the most affordable way to get Nintendo games. I have Dark Moon on lock for $19.99. If I were buying it a year from now, I'd be paying no less than $30, and that's probably just a temporary sale.
 

NotLiquid

Member
This is a really stupid observation and I rarely care about review aggregates but something about seeing Luigi on the top of Metacritic kind of put a smile on my face, even though it's probably not going to last that long. Hearing how almost universally positive the reception has been and that Luigi finally gets another game to his own having received popularity and an identity to himself feels nice. He's always been one of my favorite characters since I started gaming.

Great job, Next Level Games. Great job, Nintendo.
 

Miker

Member
In my experience, pre-ordering is usually the most affordable way to get Nintendo games. I have Dark Moon on lock for $19.99. If I were buying it a year from now, I'd be paying no less than $30, and that's probably just a temporary sale.

Where'd you get it for $20? I thought I was cool for getting it for $30 in the few hours Newegg had that deal up.
 

ffdgh

Member
*sigh* I'm more hyped now and Fire Emblem is still pumping out fun but I'll spare weegee some time too since I love the original....wallet am cry.
 
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