Familienoberhauptvogel
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I hope we get a match on camera that's over in 5 minutes after turn 3 4 combo both games. Wanna see the spin on that.
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Magic: the Gathering |OT10| Aether Revolt - That shit that make your Soul Burn slow
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Reid Duke wins GP Louisville 2017 with True Name Nemesis Sultai.
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
Damn. I love his decklist. Excited to see Leovold making an impact in Legacy. I'd totally build that deck if I had the Underground Seas.
keeblerdrow
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Man, I would have loved to have seen that.
Is that why Leovold is 40 bucks? I thought that was from commander demand but if he's in a Legacy deck that makes sense.
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
Yeah, pretty sure. So glad I picked some up when they were $7.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
You have to manually do the entire combo. If your opponent refuses to concede you will just lose by timing out.
This is why Abzan Company isn't a deck on MTGO.
"God's Beard!"
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Messing around with some non-win-button stuff.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Abzan Company has way more triggers though if you auto yield the combo doesn't take long.
He's not wrong. We've been seeing "diverse" PT metas followed by real metagames coalescing into ugly formats for a while now. The dev changes they made in the wake of the 2-block change have NOT worked.
Is Leovold normally just a 2-of in Legacy?
Sad fact is I'll be told it's "not as good as I think, and that i should pack more removal" until the rest of the world see's what it's like to play against it at fnm 3 out of 4 rounds, and see it at the pro tour/scg open every week. Sad part is wizard's is so slow to react to problem cards that it will be 3 - 4 months out before anything is even talked about possibly getting banned.
But hey, even if I'm wrong. You'll still have to deal with turn 4 Emrakul decks, Paradox Engine Decks, and People trying to combo off with Renegade Rallier.
But hey, even if I'm wrong. You'll still have to deal with turn 4 Emrakul decks, Paradox Engine Decks, and People trying to combo off with Renegade Rallier.
Imperfected
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Well, I mean, they're not going to ban it until people have had a chance to buy up tons of cards. At the moment Cat Lady is likely to be a significant driver of Aether Revolt and Kaladesh sales, so banning it before people have had a chance to go nuts on purchasing isn't really in their best interests.
Not even trying to be the "Wizards only cares about $$$!" guy or anything, just sort of noting the way the world turns, here.
https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/818457299203268609
That's a week early. Also at not their normal website time.
That's a week early. Also at not their normal website time.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
that's odd.
Cat Lady is getting pre-emptively banned. They need to do it now before people actually buy new cards. No other reason to move it up.
Pray Emrakul/Copter/Gideon go with the kitty.
Joe Molotov
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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
If they do I wonder if they went and put CopyCat vs their Future League decks as well as current meta and realized they were utterly fucked.
A complete preemptive ban would be quite crazy and a testimony of desperation but on the same hand I'd start brewing sultai summonings right away.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
The numbers for the last standard season must be -really- bad if they're this desperate and preemptive. Wonder how long they keep burying their head in the sand about this stuff.
Whoever thought 13/13 mindslavers turn 4 , and turn 6 in "fair decks" , and 2 spells cast win the game turn 4 needs to be retired asap
The pre-emptive part is because they put fucking Splinter Twin into standard IN TWO BACK TO BACK SETS.
This is a development failure of epic moronic proportions.
I guess it's easy to say in retrospect that Emrakul is busted (an unplayable Timmy-friendly 13/13 flier with removal protection and on-cast pseudo-minslaver, that also has a cost reduction effect that synergises with the graveyard-matters theme of the block), but I'm pretty sure during set previews it wasn't rated that highly. LSV Reid Duke for instance rated it as (only) the 5th best card in the set, behind Spell Queller, Mausoleum Wanderer, Elder Deep-Fiend and Thalia, Heretic Cathar.
I guess I don't really have a point to this post, except that even 23 years in, it's still kind of difficult to assess the power of cards, even when you're one of the best MTG players ever.
[edit] Oh that's Reid Duke. My bad. Still, the point mostly stands.
I guess I don't really have a point to this post, except that even 23 years in, it's still kind of difficult to assess the power of cards, even when you're one of the best MTG players ever.
[edit] Oh that's Reid Duke. My bad. Still, the point mostly stands.
Imperfected
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I mean, sure, when you say, "A statistically small but extant number of players will execute a turn 4 infinite in their prerelease games" it sounds super bad, but...
Uh, actually there's no "but", I guess. This is just sort of embarrassing.
GregLombardi
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Whoa boy
Oh damn, I thought someone just messed up on Twitter before you mentioned the different time. Something is up.
GregLombardi
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I highly doubt this is Saheeli related. I mean, believe me, I think the combo is a bit busted.
But Emrakul is kind of the problem.
Maybe its just an update to Modern guys? lolz
But Emrakul is kind of the problem.
Maybe its just an update to Modern guys? lolz
keeblerdrow
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I start looking for modern FNMs and frontier events from now til September.
SigmasonicX
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I highly doubt they'll ban anything that they know will have an answer in Amonkhet, so Smuggler's Copter will stick around, and likely Emrakul too. I don't think a temporary ban until that set comes out is likely, since they'd be worried about confusion. As for bans related to Battle for Zendikar staying in Standard, I don't expect that until Amonkhet comes out.
But yeah, with this timing, there's no way it's anything other than Felidar Guardian. I half suspect that while they can't ban it in Limited, they'll request that no one does the combo.
But yeah, with this timing, there's no way it's anything other than Felidar Guardian. I half suspect that while they can't ban it in Limited, they'll request that no one does the combo.
FreedomFrisbee
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Saheeli, Emrakul, Gideon, and Copter. Thats what I'm calling. If they're desperate enough to pre-ban something they should just go all the way. Saheeli makes more sense since its a mythic and less people will have it and not in the new set. Banning the uncommon would just confuse the casuals who wouldn't suspect its bannable.
but felidar guardian is a mostly uninteresting card without saheeli, whereas sahleei is a mostly interesting card without guardian
Is it really the development lead's responsibility to catch interactions like this, though? Seems like that would fall on the FFL. Is there a department that's more analogous to QA? If not, maybe there should be after the last few sets.
Aether Revolt is otherwise incredibly sweet. I've never seen a set with this many goofy engine cards and interlocking combo pieces. There are going to be a ton of sweet FNM brews coming out of this set, and I think it'll end up being regarded pretty highly outside of this debacle.
FreedomFrisbee
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Ah, but Saheeli is the heart of the combo. What if there's another Cat in Amonkhet, just randomly? Then it'd be back on. Not saying there isn't logic to go either way, but I do suspect Saheeli is the right answer.
If there was another cat in Amonkhet...there isn't now!
Joe Molotov
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They could just put a post-it note on the development board that says "Remember not to print a card that flickers Planeswalkers pls".
Flicker is a theme for this block.
ETB is a theme for this block.
They have a few more months of hindsight after Revolt was a locked and done set before Khet was locked, and they also had more room to print regular answers that they clearly missed the chance for in Revolt.
That's really not an applicable line of thinking, IMO.
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