Antiquities wasn't a block, so there.I don't think there were any bans during Antiquites block
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Magic: the Gathering |OT10| Aether Revolt - That shit that make your Soul Burn slow
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Ooccoo
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I'd argue that Standard bannings are pretty damageable to the game though. Screams they didn't do their homework. Print hate cards and have safety valves in place. Pithing needle, duress and other efficient discard spells, good answers, etc. Only card they could ban IMO is Felidar because I don't think WOTC wants that combo in fucking Standard. I still can't believe they didn't catch this interaction when the community instantly found out during spoiler season. How bad can development be at this point?
The lack of one was 100% deliberate.
With the rate that they seem to be hemmoraging players I think they want to build some goodwill back to their enfranchised players. I think that is their main concern.
I don't disagree with it being damaging but it seems to be at a bit of a low point right now anyways.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I wonder if its possible if they could ban the combo itself - e.g. you can't have Felidar Guardian in a deck with Saheeli Rai. It's not unprecedented that they could fashion an unusual ban - Stoneforge Mystic was banned unless you played it in the exact pre-con decks it came in.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Aetherworks isn't busted if you don't have Emrakul. The reason Aetherworks is good is because if they shut down Aetherworks, you just go on the Delirium plan and hardcast Emrakul.
Nah, that was protection for very new players and a specific product.
phazedplasma
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Theres no way theyd ban the new combo.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's getting banned, whether its today or not.
I disagree. I think there's a good chance they ban the new card if indeed bannings come down. This is a real potential threat to one of the big formats.
divisionbyzorro
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I guarantee you the combo was a complete accident. The cat is very, very similar to cards they've printed many times in the past (Flickerwisp, Glimmerpoint Stag) that have been safe, and they almost certainly just didn't think to test it properly because it reads so similarly. In fact, they've made a point to retemplate otherwise totally fine cards (like Oblivion Ring) specifically because of blink effects that they probably had an additional perspective of "we've already fixes these problems, so they can't pop up again."
Then they saw it and went "oh shit."
The question is whether or not they knew before the full spoiler went up and had this planned already.
Then they saw it and went "oh shit."
The question is whether or not they knew before the full spoiler went up and had this planned already.
The mono g elephant????
There is if they missed the interaction entirely during testing.
Like I said, I'm betting that the cat only worked on artifacts and creatures (or something similar) for most of it's lifecycle, and it was changed in the last month and no-one caught it. It's happened before it will continue to happen again unless they change how they test their games.
Would be nice to know how they're testing. Lately it's not been going so well, so something obviously has to change
Ooccoo
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No, something like
Energy Matrix
Legendary Land
Tap, pay X Energy: add X to your mana pool.
I mean the mono g elephant is atleast a way to convert mana to energy. They didn't want marvel to be more broken than it already is.
Infinite Stars
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Charlequin basically sniped it from me, but in terms of "Things I'm willing to bet Amonkhet has", a Graveyard theme in an Egyptian Themed Set is a no brainer. The 2 most common Egyptian ideas in pop culture is The Pyramids and Mummies.
For Amonkhet to not have some "Graveyard Matters" theme, be it a mechanic or just a general vibe, would be a major misfire. I'd put it in the same category as something like SoI lacking Investigate.
Plus, it at least excuses some of the lack of graveyard hate, because they knew that anything in SoI or Kaladesh would hurt Amonkhet.
Ew no. Insanely broken ESPECIALLY with Emrakuls cost reduction ability.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
That's completely busted; like possible more than Tolarian Academy. You can add lots of energy per turn.
This isn't his fault at all tbh. As much as I have moaned about him in this thread, this is entirely a development issue and nothing to do with him.
(I do think I moan too much about him tbh - the guy is a fantatsic designer who has improved magic and the game massively. I tend to bitch too much in threads about minor things really...)
GregLombardi
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I would rather see marvel banned than emrakul. But that sonly because I love playing B/G delirium.
I suppose B/G delirium has other win cons that can replace Emrakul (lilly / ishkanah) though, so it sprob still a deck.
I suppose B/G delirium has other win cons that can replace Emrakul (lilly / ishkanah) though, so it sprob still a deck.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I like GB Aggro more anyway. Flayer is a stupid card though.
Flayer is fine, the fact that there is no graveyard hate is stupid.
Maybe they were afraid it would be abused or (if done conservatively) too shitty.
Infinite Stars
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MaRo's honestly not to blame for a lot of missteps recently. Since 2011, MaRo has been the lead (or co-lead) on the following sets:
Honestly, from a design point only BFZ is terrible of that list, and he's mentioned numerous times why that is.
- Innistrad
- Dark Ascension
- Gatecrash
- Theros
- Khans of Tarkir
- Battle for Zendikar
- Kaladesh
Honestly, from a design point only BFZ is terrible of that list, and he's mentioned numerous times why that is.
theros is pretty bad too lets be real here.
Theros was boring, not bad.
Agree to disagree. I feel like people forget that theros was supposed to be an enchanment matters block and it had super weak enchantments.
Infinite Stars
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Not from a design perspective. Theros is Greek Mythology the set, and Devotion/Heroic/Monstrous/Scry all were well recieved. Design generally handles the feeling of a set, the themes, the mechanics. Development handles balancing it.
Theros shit the bed because Oops Hybrid Mana and BNG/JIN were bad.
CoconutTank
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Hmmm... What about bringing back the un- sets as a way to do public beta testing? I guess this time around the effects overall are familiar territory so they might not feel like they need to dibth testing, but some stuff from the un- sets eventually made it back into the main game right?
Also the un- sets were awesome :O
Announcement Date: January 9, 2017
Effective Date: January 20, 2017
Magic Online Effective Date: January 11, 2017
Standard:
Emrakul, the Promised End is banned.
Smuggler's Copter is banned.
Reflector Mage is banned.
Modern:
Gitaxian Probe is banned.
Golgari Grave-Troll is banned.
The list of all banned and restricted cards, by format, is here. The full list of cards banned in Modern is here. The full list of cards banned in Standard is here.
Next B&R Announcement: March 13, 2017
HOLY SHIT
Effective Date: January 20, 2017
Magic Online Effective Date: January 11, 2017
Standard:
Emrakul, the Promised End is banned.
Smuggler's Copter is banned.
Reflector Mage is banned.
Modern:
Gitaxian Probe is banned.
Golgari Grave-Troll is banned.
The list of all banned and restricted cards, by format, is here. The full list of cards banned in Modern is here. The full list of cards banned in Standard is here.
Next B&R Announcement: March 13, 2017
HOLY SHIT
I just hated it because enchantments were really underpowered in an enchantment matters block.
Also the Spartans sucked.
That's it? Huh. Interesting choices, if I may say so.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/article...banned-and-restricted-announcement-2017-01-09
Edit:
I'm glad we're rid of GGT.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/article...banned-and-restricted-announcement-2017-01-09
Edit:
I'm glad we're rid of GGT.
Infinite Stars
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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Cat's out the bag wtf?
I think that's a "just to be on the safe side" ban.
No Cat Lady ban?
Also, not that anyone besides me cares, but the list of Magic Duels AER Cards is up. Magic Duels doesn't implement every card from every set (sometimes the cards are too technically weird [Emrakul], but most of the exclusions are just to cut down on chaff and temper strong strategies since Duels is non-rotating).
No Flicker Cat, as expected. I wonder if they'll retroactively remove Smuggler's Copter and Reflector Mage from the game, not that either one is overly oppressive in the Magic Duels meta (though Smuggler's Copter is definitely pushing it).
Also, not that anyone besides me cares, but the list of Magic Duels AER Cards is up. Magic Duels doesn't implement every card from every set (sometimes the cards are too technically weird [Emrakul], but most of the exclusions are just to cut down on chaff and temper strong strategies since Duels is non-rotating).
No Flicker Cat, as expected. I wonder if they'll retroactively remove Smuggler's Copter and Reflector Mage from the game, not that either one is overly oppressive in the Magic Duels meta (though Smuggler's Copter is definitely pushing it).
Well that guy sure bet on the right horse.
GregLombardi
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Wow. Copter is somewhat a shock to me.
Joe Molotov
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Copy Cat Winter, rip magic.
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