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Magic: the Gathering |OT10| Aether Revolt - That shit that make your Soul Burn slow
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TheBlackMarvel
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I just want new flipwalkers.
Speaking of Legion of Doom, we'll see one new Planeswalker for it at best.
Chandra - Tezzeret
Liliana - Garruk/
Sorin
Jace - Bolas
Gideon - IMO, the most likely to get a new foil.
Imperfected
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Bizzaro Gideon, traditionally.
Joe Molotov
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Noedig, Enemy of Zendikar
Infinite Stars
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Incoming card of Tibalt that doesn't suck?
Please, no more Gideon. Nor Ajani. I only accept Elspeth but they killed her off.
TheBlackMarvel
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Please, no more Gideon. Nor Ajani. I only accept Elspeth but they killed her off.
Elspeth is clearly coming back as a zombie to be the anti-Ajani.
Wulfric
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Interesting tidbit from today's tournament rules update
But more relevant to most of us... pile shuffling! Thank goodness, people love doing this after they mulligan. It takes forever.
But more relevant to most of us... pile shuffling! Thank goodness, people love doing this after they mulligan. It takes forever.
It's going to be like Romeo and Juliet.
Infinite Stars
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Thank God for the pileshuffling fix. The only time it's appropriate is when you have sideboarded and want to Make sure you have 60 cards.
Went 2-1, 3-1, and 3-1. Typical prerelease score for me lol. I can never go undefeated!
I noticed a lot of removals across all colors in my pools. It was hard deciding my colors because of it haha.
Revolt was tricky to play with. It's attached to a lot of aggressive creatures. Thing is, you don't really want to trade creatures. You want to win combat. And you want to play combat tricks or removals with it, not sac cards. So I found myself holding onto Revolt cards too often to try and gain maximum value. I think you should just cast Revolt cards, and if you get the trigger, it's an added bonus.
Opened a Chandra, stamped Heart of Kiran, Tezz and a bunch of junk mythics. Why couldn't I get the money mythics? Not the worst pulls all in all.
I noticed a lot of removals across all colors in my pools. It was hard deciding my colors because of it haha.
Revolt was tricky to play with. It's attached to a lot of aggressive creatures. Thing is, you don't really want to trade creatures. You want to win combat. And you want to play combat tricks or removals with it, not sac cards. So I found myself holding onto Revolt cards too often to try and gain maximum value. I think you should just cast Revolt cards, and if you get the trigger, it's an added bonus.
Opened a Chandra, stamped Heart of Kiran, Tezz and a bunch of junk mythics. Why couldn't I get the money mythics?
Not the worst pulls all in all.First Pre-Release: 3-1 GW
Second Pre-Release: 4-0-1 UR
Impressions: Cheap cards with Revolt text will activate often (often enough at least). Expensive cards with Revolt text are blank. Like that 4/3 flier is still fine because it is a flier but the 5 mana anthem was worthless. Otherwise few cards surprised me in how good or bad they were - they mostly played out as I thought they would. Got a good amount of trading done, I only need a few more cards from the set. A bummer one of them is the most expensive one - Heart of Kiran.
Second Pre-Release: 4-0-1 UR
Impressions: Cheap cards with Revolt text will activate often (often enough at least). Expensive cards with Revolt text are blank. Like that 4/3 flier is still fine because it is a flier but the 5 mana anthem was worthless. Otherwise few cards surprised me in how good or bad they were - they mostly played out as I thought they would. Got a good amount of trading done, I only need a few more cards from the set. A bummer one of them is the most expensive one - Heart of Kiran.
SigmasonicX
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The return of dwarves is getting a mixed reception.
Kaladesh originally had a "Mechanic I"
Weird, I could have sworn that they already said proliferate was a mechanic they tried. Maybe that was after the design handoff, but before development settled on fabricate. For those unfamiliar, "reverse engineer" was a mechanic based on copying artifacts until end of turn, and Saheeli and Cogwork Assembler are the remnants of this.
Kaladesh originally had a "Mechanic I"
Weird, I could have sworn that they already said proliferate was a mechanic they tried. Maybe that was after the design handoff, but before development settled on fabricate. For those unfamiliar, "reverse engineer" was a mechanic based on copying artifacts until end of turn, and Saheeli and Cogwork Assembler are the remnants of this.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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MaRo is just throwing out some hooks now that E is no longer available.
Imperfected
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Maybe the mechanic was just named Mechanic, and it was just about using Energy to tool up Vehicles with neons and speakers.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Dwarves should never have been primary white, that spot belongs to settled humans.
Infinite Stars
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The issue is (For Maro at least) that in terms of small races White has nothing unique. Settled Humans isn't really that big of a "White primarily" race compared to Elves/Goblins/Merfolk/Zombies/Vampires. Every primary white race they've done has flopped though(Leonie, Kithkin, and now Dwarves)
God I hate the EDH committee , will never forgive them for not allowing you to tuck commanders.
Some generals don't care about dying and want to be killed so they can be replayed.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Why is the library special compared to hand, graveyard and exile then?
Because they tied human tribal to Innistrad and otherwise waste white tribals across soldiers and knights. Which is annoying by itself since you can't build army tribal decks like that.
They never really pursued a tribal identity for humans anywhere but Innistrad.
When you look at what they tried you could have replaced them 1 to 1 with humans and it'd have made no difference except you'd have a consistent theme across planes now. Though Lorwyn would have posed a caveat.
Wulfric
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Looks like PVDR came up with a G/B Winding Constrictor list pretty early on. I don't think the deck loses a whole lot by ditching white, and it actually seems quite speedy. A 12/12 Verdurous Gearhulk is nothing to balk at. PVDR's list had 2 Looter Scooters, so I replaced them with Fatal Push. It feels strange to say it, but I might actually be playing quite a bit of standard in the coming weeks. Until Modern Masters comes out, at least.
Because cardshe like Maelstrom wanderer want to be recast over and over again , countering it and killing it does nothing , most of the time it's cascade triggers find it more combo pieces / ramp spells so all your really doing when killing it is allowing them another chance at 2 more broken plays
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Don't kill it then?
charlequin
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They saved human tribal for Innistrad because human tribal is boring and stupid because humans are humans. The only place it's remotely interesting is when it's the humans against the monsters -- and there, it's much better as a multi-color tribe like they did it. Forcing white to just be humans all the time is exactly the same as forcing them to have their creatures be boring and dumb in every setting while everyone else gets actual fantasy creatures to play with.
I have never enjoyed as pure white/blue player schadenfreude as I have with everyone losing it over the tuck rule. If anything I'm still disappointed it took the committee that long to realize that giving the third and worst creature control colors their own special format-specific mechanic that's way better than all other colors was terrible.
This is the best update. It isn't super relevant to me since I haven't actually played tourney Magic in several months, but hey, I'll probably get out there for some drafts this weekend!
Then don't kill the general. Or kill that player first.
Tuck really needed to go. It was a bizarre exception to removal in general that gave a disproportionate advantage to a few cards.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Pretty sure Empire is the most popular faction in Warhammer for instance.
Humans are already predominantly white. There's 2 or 3 times as many white humans than any other colour.
I think how humans group together to form a society in vastly different circumstances is extremely interesting. Providing a venue for world building no less.
charlequin
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This is a case against using humans as a white tribal race, not for it.
Infinite Stars
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What would you use for White's Tribal race? I mean, I know that there's certain planes where the Tribal races don't appear(Innis trad has none of the big ones minus Zombies, Vampires, and Humans) but what could work?
Infinite Stars
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Honestly, if it wasn't a clusterfuck for an editor, I'd totally have hybrid creature types. So paladin is Knight-cleric or something
I've always liked soldier as white's characteristic creature type. The idea that what you do is more important than who you are is a perfect fit for white.
Whites Tribal race is Angels?
Each color has an iconic creature type (uncommon and higher) and a characteristic creature type (common and higher).
White: Angel / [Soldier]
Blue: Sphinx / Merfolk
Black: Demon / (Vampire / Zombie)
Red: Dragon / Goblin
Green: Hydra / Elf
charlequin
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I don't think they've given dwarves a full shot yet. If they really want to see how that works out, they need to try them in a setting where they make more sense to start with and can be a bit more like the traditional dwarves. Like: we go to Kaldheim and there's a white tribe of viking dwarves that makes equipment? I think people will get on board with that.
Iconic races are the big rare flashy ones, which are angels for white, sphinxes for blue, demons for black, dragons for red, and hydras for green. These have been set for a while and probably aren't changing at this point.
Characteristic races are the common ones you see in every set, for which green and red really only have one (elves and goblins), blue has one plus some tries to add more (merfolk and vedalken), black has two (vampires and zombies), and white has none, even though they've tried leonin, kithkin, and dwarves as options.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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A, how did you manage to put my text into Grimace's quote and B, no not really. It's a case for humans already being the white race.
Cipher Peon
Banned
I took my girlfriend to the Aether Revolt Prerelease on midnight when it came out, this being my second ever Prerelease as a Magic player c:
I helped get my partner into Magic so it was awesome having her around. I went 0-3 but I won a game and nobody made my deck for me so I'm pretty happy. I went Green and Black because out of all of the Mythics I pulled at the Prerelease, Green and Black were my favs ^^
No Masterpieces this time though.... Better luck next time!!!
I helped get my partner into Magic so it was awesome having her around. I went 0-3 but I won a game and nobody made my deck for me so I'm pretty happy. I went Green and Black because out of all of the Mythics I pulled at the Prerelease, Green and Black were my favs ^^
No Masterpieces this time though.... Better luck next time!!!
charlequin
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Humans have nothing at all tying them to white philosophically the way all the characteristic races do and are supposed to. Humans don't fit one mold, certainly the "living in an uptight society" one, as the huge range of cards concepted as human in all five colors should attest. Humans are also, y'know, the species making the game so making them specific to only one of the colors goes against the whole concept of the color pie as five colors with their own unique and legitimate place.
Infinite Stars
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Soldiers could be something that would work, but I'd be hesitant to have it be so.
Stupid thought idea:
If Dwarves have this baggage within the player base, could they potentially make Aether born but Rock based? I'd even settle for the Crystal Gems-Lite if it gave White a unique race.
not sure if Kithkin or (white) dwarfes truly count, they can only be found on one plane so far like the Kor. Plus, dwarfes just aren't really white in the same way the Aven aren't really white
the other colors have familiar generic fantasy races that can be used for pretty much any plane. Big, burly cat people on the other hand don't really stand out all that much from all the other hyena people or bird people and so on, and they don't fit white all that well either
the other colors have familiar generic fantasy races that can be used for pretty much any plane. Big, burly cat people on the other hand don't really stand out all that much from all the other hyena people or bird people and so on, and they don't fit white all that well either
Vikings? People who go around raiding everyone and stealing their stuff? Nah, that's way too red. Not to mention dwarves on boats seems pretty wrong.
D&D dwarves are thoroughly white. Tradition and honor, live for hundreds of years doing what your father did and his father before him, mine ore to make weapons. Kaladesh dwarves were a little too flamboyant for my tastes, but on the whole the second they said "we're making dwarves the white tribe" it clicked 100% for me.
Hear, hear!
I'd rather have cat people. Also equipment sucks for limited.
There should be high elves in white. Every elf we have is green for some reason. Not all elves give a shit about nature.
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