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[StreetsofBeige]

The pacing is way off. Extraction shooters are working when the pacing is slow and you can feel the tension. This just looks like the final circle of apex legends. Also the loot and the loot interface looks boring af. If you want an engaging and long lasting extraction game, you have to make the loot exciting. Looks like bungie missed many points here to make a good extraction game. Also this art style and the characters are made to sell you crazy weird looking skins that one is obvious. This will launch with barebones content and nobody will be there to wait for more in the future

Yup

Gameplay looks like a slower Apex on way smaller maps. Not good at all

Only thing Im seeing thats Extraction is looting items

I think Bungie is trying to appease the masses. And they need to since their games and high budgets go for tons of sales and mtx.

If they go hardcore extraction like a gritty Tarkov, they wont have the player base, and core gamers who like this kind of game wont bother flipping to a sci fi one.

So they are trying something new with Marathon, compared to their past shooters:

- Extraction (Halo and Destiny arent)
- Really bold bright colours, as opposed to classic sci fi or COD or Tarkov
- Smaller maps for more gunplay
- 3 person teams so it's more buddy buddy, then having gamers go lone wolf figuring out things alone
- Include AI enemies to spice it up

So Marathon is kind of mix of dumbing it down for the masses, more action and gunplay to keep people interested, 3 person team play to help each other out, and a pretty unique sci fi look so it stands out from other art styles.

 

[Tajaz2426]

Eh, they will lock in a few morons to buy stuff from their store, like Activision with Call of Duty.

 

[MMaRsu]

The pacing is way off. Extraction shooters are working when the pacing is slow and you can feel the tension. This just looks like the final circle of apex legends. Also the loot and the loot interface looks boring af. If you want an engaging and long lasting extraction game, you have to make the loot exciting. Looks like bungie missed many points here to make a good extraction game. Also this art style and the characters are made to sell you crazy weird looking skins that one is obvious. This will launch with barebones content and nobody will be there to wait for more in the future

The loot doesnt have to be interesting if you need it for quests and hideout building, for instance look at Tarkov how it can make finding a Sparkplug interesting (or a car battery)

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Allright so not important to the industry as a whole at all

Bungie shaping the fps marketplace

Maybe back in the Xbox days and if you never played on PC.

They havent set a trend or standard since Halo.

You have no idea how big Destiny is, apparently or how much it has shaped the live service industry...

 

[Killjoy-NL]

eh more than 50%

That's the opposite of a negative consensus on the gameplay, as people like ChorizoPicozo claimed.

 

[MMaRsu]

You have no idea how big Destiny is, apparently or how much it has shaped the live service industry...

It hasn't. Publishers were always going to go with the greediest routes. It doesn't take Bungie to start that (and they probably didn't)

Also, what I really dislike about this is the "hero" aspect of the gameplay.

In Tarkov for instance you're a nobody, and everybody is on the same playing field abilities wise (well you do level up skills etc).

Here you have these crazy abilities like its Apex Legends or some shit.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

It hasn't. Publishers were always going to go with the greediest routes. It doesn't take Bungie to start that (and they probably didn't)

Also, what I really dislike about this is the "hero" aspect of the gameplay.

In Tarkov for instance you're a nobody, and everybody is on the same playing field abilities wise (well you do level up skills etc).

Here you have these crazy abilities like its Apex Legends or some shit.

Now I know you aren't paying attention.

The abilities aren't the focus here at all. Everyone has the same kit weapon wise. Everyone who has played has said this. There are preferred play styles for sure based on the different runners, but the abilities aren't at all the focus.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

That's the opposite of a negative consensus on the gameplay, as people like ChorizoPicozo claimed.

Not to mention that downvote button extrapolates downvotes.

I've downvoted on videos that were old, refreshed and despite knowing that no one else has watched the video, seen the downvotes go up by 8 immediately after I've clicked on it.

It's extrapolating what percentage of people would have clicked downvote based on the number of people with the extension downvoting compared to the number of views and likes.

We love to use inaccurate data at GAF for some reason. Even when we know the data isn't accurate. The chorus of voices feels like something is better than nothing.

Youtube downvotes
survey data from japan
physical charts that don't show digital sales
CCUs
Charts that don't have any sales data on them

It's kind of wild.

 

[8BiTw0LF]

Im an old fuck who played Marathon, who cares.

For the PvE players there's a great game - Helldivers 2 - It's really the best co-op PvE game around right now, and it's also an extraction shooter.
If some people can't stand PvP, then play something else. I want Bungie to focus on PvP, cause I've played Destiny were they focused on both PvE and PvP and it just doesn't work. Would hate to get nerfs in PvP, cause a weapon is too strong in PvE - that shit screws up the fun all the time.

 

[sainraja]

Is bungie done after this game?

Some people certainly want them to be.... for "reasons".

There are a variety of games out there, so rooting for a game to fail because it's not (seemingly) checking all your boxes is a bit short-sighted and sad really. It is Bungie's job to get people interested, if they fail at that, then they have to own that decision. Let them worry about it. If the game, based on what has been shown, is not interesting for you, then just move on, because chances are, you won't magically like it come release.

I am not sure about Marathon myself. I am keeping an open mind though. I would have preferred Bungie to say focused on Destiny but I can see they don't want to be a Destiny-only shop.

Most gamers are just grown up (cry)babies, lol.

 

[MMaRsu]

Now I know you aren't paying attention.

The abilities aren't the focus here at all. Everyone has the same kit weapon wise. Everyone who has played has said this. There are preferred play styles for sure based on the different runners, but the abilities aren't at all the focus.

I watched some quick gameplay clips here and there but it didn't really draw me in to watch more than 5 - 10 minutes of it tbh

which isnt great

 

[cormack12]

For the PvE players there's a great game - Helldivers 2 - It's really the best co-op PvE game around right now, and it's also an extraction shooter.
If some people can't stand PvP, then play something else. I want Bungie to focus on PvP, cause I've played Destiny were they focused on both PvE and PvP and it just doesn't work. Would hate to get nerfs in PvP, cause a weapon is too strong in PvE - that shit screws up the fun all the time.

 

[MMaRsu]

So did I understand correctly that if you pick up someone's weapon, it just turns into cash?

So you cant jack other players gear?

Also lol at that other user calling Helldivers 2 an "extraction shooter"

K bud

 

[mayham2199]

So did I understand correctly that if you pick up someone's weapon, it just turns into cash?

So you cant jack other players gear?

Also lol at that other user calling Helldivers 2 an "extraction shooter"

K bud

I know that if you pick up all your teammates weapons you can use them and then when you extract they all go back to your team. I think ememy weapons stay with you permanently but I could be wrong.

 

[Dynasty8]

Probably because the lame half mmo-lite is a shit design

That's where the disconnect is. I enjoy that aspect A LOT and many others do too. If it's not your thing, I respect that.

It's definitely subjective, but I really enjoy the progression of your character, the challenges and unlocking new weapons, armor, builds, etc and being able to take that on grandmaster Nightfalls, master raids, dungeons, unique exotic missions, future legendary campaigns along with competitive and non competitive PvP from time to time.

It's not for everyone though. I would never recommend Destiny to someone who's strictly only looking for PvP or even a basic shooter.

 

[clarky]

So did I understand correctly that if you pick up someone's weapon, it just turns into cash?

So you cant jack other players gear?

Also lol at that other user calling Helldivers 2 an "extraction shooter"

K bud

No thats not correct. But the gear can only change hands so many times before it breaks down into cash.

Think its to avoid the economy spiraling out of control, not sure if it will work in practice.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

the narrative has been set. Good Luck Sony and Bungie

 

[clarky]

the narrative has been set. Good Luck Sony and Bungie

Luke Stephens lol.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Luke Stephens lol.

Paul Tassi LOL

 

[clarky]

Paul Tassi LOL

Ok ? Neither of the 3 grifters you posted are PVP/Extraction shooter players.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Ok ?

angry joe?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Luke Stephens lol.

Paul Tassi LOL

Pretty much 90% of Youtubers out there trying to get clicks

 

[clarky]

angry joe?

Lets ask my wifes opinions as well while we are at it.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Pretty much 90% of Youtubers out there trying to get clicks

the algorithm is working for sure

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

The pacing is way off. Extraction shooters are working when the pacing is slow and you can feel the tension. This just looks like the final circle of apex legends.

Yup. This slots right next to Exoborne unfortunately.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Lets ask my wifes opinions as well while we are at it.

that's Luke

 

[clarky]

the algorithm is working for sure

Until we get a go at the alpha or beta then I just dont know how things will shake out but these types of games are my jam.

Positive impressions are paid by Bungie and negative either have not played it or just didn't like it. same as all these types of events.

For every negative video you post im sure i can find the opposite, but looks like you've already made your mind up.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Pretty much 90% of Youtubers out there trying to get clicks

They should have released the alpha right after the event so that the discourse would be mostly people having played the game as opposed to people randomly venting their "concerns" and "worries".

If you click on any of those YouTubers and search for how many videos of games they're "concerned" or "worried" about you'll see a pretty hilarious trend.

Either that or they should have done the event next weekend with the codes going live the following Wednesday. The timing in conjunction with the presentation just seemed really poor.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Until we get a go at the alpha or beta then I just dont know how things will shake out but these types of games are my jam.

Positive impressions are paid by Bungie and negative either have not played it or just didn't like it. same as all these types of events.

For every negative video you post im sure i can find the opposite, but looks like you've already made your mind up.

oh shit.

im sure you will run out of positive ones before i do with negatives.

but its not the question of the quality of the actual game.

it's about PR. I think it's safe to state that the reception of this game leans more to the negative side.

that's on Bungie and Sony.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Probably shared but he has been playing Marathon for 2 years now and has some reasonable takes



And a decent interview here

 

[clarky]

oh shit.

im sure you will run out of positive ones before i do with negatives.

but its not the question of the quality of the actual game.

it's about PR. I think it's safe to state that the reception of this game leans more to the negative side.

that's on Bungie and Sony.

The reveal has a 2-1 ratio of likes to dislikes, so skewed to the postive. Not ideal but theres a hell of a lot of folks who would never have liked a pvp only extraction shooter, its a tough sell.

Unless you spend your days looking for negative shit?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

The reveal has a 2-1 ratio of likes to dislikes, so skewed to the postive. Not ideal but theres a hell of a lot of folks who would never have liked a pvp only extraction shooter, its a tough sell.

Unless you spend your days looking for negative shit?

And people want to compare this to Concord it had no where near that amount of likes

It goes to show this game will 100% find an audience it just needs to keep them.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

The reveal has a 2-1 ration of likes to dislikes, so skewed to the postive. Not ideal but theres a hell of a lot of folks who would never have liked a pvp only extraction shooter, its a tough sell.

the views are kind of low too. the revela has 211k views and the Gaming God Asmon Marathon's video has almost 1M in less than a day .

Now in general?.... is overwhelmingly negative.

Unless you spend you days looking for negative shit?

is what the algorithm feeds on Twitter and YouTube. no need to actively search negativity.

 

[clarky]

And people want to compare this to Concord it had no where near that amount of likes

It goes to show this game will 100% find an audience it just needs to keep them.

I think you are right, but it won't geet anywhere near the player base of Destiny when it was at its highs.

Be interesting to see what the expectations are for this title from Sony and Bungie. If it settles on more than a steady 50k ccu on Steam I'd be very surprised.

Then again if it sells well enough out of the gate to recover the dev costs, maybe that would be enough.

 

[clarky]

the views are kind of low too. the revela has 211k views and the Gaming God Asmon Marathon's video has almost 1M in less than a day .

Now in general?.... is overwhelmingly negative.


is what the algorithm feeds on Twitter and YouTube. no need to actively search negativity.

Depends on who you follow on YT.
More than half my feed is positive.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I think you are right, but it won't geet anywhere near the player base of Destiny when it was at its highs.

Be interesting to see what the expectations are for this title from Sony and Bungie. If it settles on more than a steady 50k ccu on Steam I'd be very surprised.

Then again if it sells well enough out of the gate to recover the dev costs, maybe that would be enough.

It wont touch Destiny numbers

Look how relatively low view count the gameplay reveal trailer is at yet

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Depends on who you follow on YT.
More than half my feed is positive.

i don't follow gaming youtbers, not even our God Asmon

 

[bender]

the narrative has been set. Good Luck Sony and Bungie

I wonder who Luke stole his opinion from this time.

 

[ZehDon]

Ok ? Neither of the 3 grifters you posted are PVP/Extraction shooter players.

Just to chime in on this point: this game won't survive if the only players it can pull are those who are already existing Extraction shooter players. I think pulling in opinions from other audiences is a pretty valuable exercise when understanding the floor and ceiling Bungie are looking it, and who can expect to enjoy this game. Personally, if a locked in Tarkov player says the game is rock solid, I'd have concerns because Tarkov is super fucking hardcore - too hardcore for me. If a Division player says the game is rock solid, you have my interest, because Division is pseudo-casual with the ability to crank it up to almost unreasonable levels of difficulty.
Sure, some of it is for the clicks. But I wouldn't discount opinions simply because they are, or are not, Extraction shooter players. Chime over, we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

 

[clarky]

It wont touch Destiny numbers

Look how relatively low view count the gameplay reveal trailer is at yet

I thought they did a very poor job of selling this game on Saturday.

Digging through the information afterwards and watching a few follow up videos I warmed up to it alot.

We'll see, the jurys out. I'll play the Alpha/Beta if I get the chance.

It looks different enough and at least its not Destiny 3, I'm sick of that franchise at this point.

 

[Aenima]

Not to mention that downvote button extrapolates downvotes.

I've downvoted on videos that were old, refreshed and despite knowing that no one else has watched the video, seen the downvotes go up by 8 immediately after I've clicked on it.

It's extrapolating what percentage of people would have clicked downvote based on the number of people with the extension downvoting compared to the number of views and likes.

We love to use inaccurate data at GAF for some reason. Even when we know the data isn't accurate. The chorus of voices feels like something is better than nothing.

Asmongold tested how acurate the downvote extension is by linking some of his videos and asking the chat the number of downvotes the videos got, Asmongold can see the acurate number of downvotes as its his own videos and while the extension is not 100% acurate, all the results matched the vote to downvote ratios. So while the number presented as downvotes by the extension will never be 100% acurate, is not very far and you can take the like to dislike ratio as acurate.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I thought they did a very poor job of selling this game on Saturday.

Digging through the information afterwards and watching a few follow up videos i watmed up to it alot.

Well see, the jurys out. I'll play the Alpha/Beta if i get the chance.

It looks different enough and at least its not Destiny 3, I'm sick of that franchise at this point.

Destiny 1 and 2 are likely in my top 5 games play time ever, I spent so much time playing that game

Bring back the OG loot cave

But yeah I am ready for something different as well as I havent been in D2 in a very long time

 

[clarky]

Just to chime in on this point: this game won't survive if the only players it can pull are those who are already existing Extraction shooter players. I think pulling in opinions from other audiences is a pretty valuable exercise when understanding the floor and ceiling Bungie are looking it, and who can expect to enjoy this game. Personally, if a locked in Tarkov player says the game is rock solid, I'd have concerns because Tarkov is super fucking hardcore - too hardcore for me. If a Division player says the game is rock solid, you have my interest, because Division is pseudo-casual with the ability to crank it up to almost unreasonable levels of difficulty.
Sure, some of it is for the clicks. But I wouldn't discount opinions simply because they are, or are not, Extraction shooter players. Chime over, we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

Good points but I'd be looking to influencers of other PVP titles say Jackfrags, Westie or the old Destiny PVP streamers. Not predominantly single player/casual influencers.

 

[MMaRsu]

These are some of the best parts of Destiny 2's endgame and current business model, but they come alongside the odd choice of making Marathon a team-based extraction looter with 3-player squads with a solo-player option. The reason this is a problem is that solo-playing is not encouraged by Bungie, and not only that, but there is no solo queue, and players will always either join other teams via matchmaking or go against matchmade/premade squads.

A bummer for me as I'm mostly a solo player

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Just to chime in on this point: this game won't survive if the only players it can pull are those who are already existing Extraction shooter players. I think pulling in opinions from other audiences is a pretty valuable exercise when understanding the floor and ceiling Bungie are looking it, and who can expect to enjoy this game. Personally, if a locked in Tarkov player says the game is rock solid, I'd have concerns because Tarkov is super fucking hardcore - too hardcore for me. If a Division player says the game is rock solid, you have my interest, because Division is pseudo-casual with the ability to crank it up to almost unreasonable levels of difficulty.
Sure, some of it is for the clicks. But I wouldn't discount opinions simply because they are, or are not, Extraction shooter players. Chime over, we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

This game is DOA (especially on console) since the game seems to be extraction mode only. Maybe on PC, it'll have a chance. But for console gamers, I dont get a sense the typical shooter fan wants to play a style of game more similar to one death Tarkov, than COD or a BR mode game where the key focus is just killing people or respawning as many times as needed meat grinding in TDM, Domination or Hardpoint.

 

[clarky]

This game is DOA (especially on console) since the game seems to be extraction mode only. Maye on PC, it'll have a chance. But for console gamers, I dont get a sense the typical shooter fan wants to play a style of game more similar to one death Tarkov, than COD or a BR mode game where the key focus is just killing people or respawning as many times as needed meat grinding in TDM, Domination or Hardpoint.

DMZ was very popular for a time on Console, shame they fumbled the ball so bad with that. I do believe they are bringing it back next year though.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

A bummer for me as I'm mostly a solo player

Same here 90% of my play time is solo and depending on randos in a game like this wont work

 

[bender]

I thought they did a very poor job of selling this game on Saturday.

Digging through the information afterwards and watching a few follow up videos i watmed up to it alot.

Well see, the jurys out. I'll play the Alpha/Beta if i get the chance.

It looks different enough and at least its not Destiny 3, I'm sick of that franchise at this point.

I barely even knew there was an event on Saturday. It's just weird timing and felt like there was no lead up to the event. Should have been a dedicated State of Play with more advertising leading into it.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I wonder who Luke stole his opinion from this time.

his mom, i reckon

 

[MMaRsu]

Same here 90% of my play time is solo and depending on randos in a game like this wont work

Yeah absolutely not and it sounds like queing up against teams of three's isn't really a great idea.

I mean I mostly 95% queued solo in Tarkov as well, but there it's solo's and groups mixed.

It's always risky business and not easy for a solo player.