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Marvel's Jessica Jones *SPOILER THREAD* |OT| Thanos is Purple, Man.

Pros
- Casting is spot on, Ritter and Colter are GOAT tier
- Tennant was haunting as fuck as Kilgrave and his backstory rivaled Kingpin's
- Malcolm had the underrated arc and it helps his character seeing him rise from his lowest point.
- Trish is a good partner but kinda sad she really doesn't fit the Hellcat persona yet.
- First 3 episodes are really great, got me invested in the series.
- Simpson threw a wrench in plans but also had a really interesting arc. Seeing him becoming a another victim to the MCU Nuke.
- Enjoyed Jessica's power discovery scene and loved the hint of Jewel. Also, Luke in a yellow shirt!


Cons
- Robyn & Ruben were kinda pointless as fuck, kinda wished Kilgrave killed them both.
- Hogarth's arc kinda felt pointless to me, yeah, she is central to the series but only til the very end. Basically, her lesbian drama felt like filler. I couldn't give a fuck about her divorce drama till 1000 Cuts
- Whereas I felt Daredevil had less filler, Jessica Jones had three episodes that could have been cut to 1-2 episodes.
- The perception of mind control powers is brushed off in the same world as Hulk/Thor/Alien Invasion. What?
- Ending felt ho hum, I did like the final confrontation of Kilgrave and Jessica but then, it suddenly ends. There's the tease of origins of Jessica's powers and where is Cage but I feel it should be a standalone season aside from Cage.
To be fair, who else in the world knows Mind Control is a real thing other than the Avengers, SHIELD and Hydra? Just a few people including Jessica I guess. Until people see it they won't believe it, no matter how crazy the world it. Trisha does bring that up when she says how can you not believe this even though the city was attacked by ALIENS, so they acknowledge the hypocrisy at least
 

Kalentan

Member
To be fair, who else in the world knows Mind Control is a real thing other than the Avengers, SHIELD and Hydra? Just a few people including Jessica I guess. Until people see it they won't believe it, no matter how crazy the world it. Trisha does bring that up when she says how can you not believe this even though the city was attacked by ALIENS, so they acknowledge the hypocrisy at least

Yeah and even when it comes to powered people, there hasn't been a power other than his that has an effect on other people in such a way. At least I don't think there has been anyone in the MCU other than Kilgrave that has powers over other people?
 
Yeah and even when it comes to powered people, there hasn't been a power other than his that has an effect on other people in such a way. At least I don't think there has been anyone in the MCU other than Kilgrave that has powers over other people?
There was that one guy in Agent Carter. But yeah that was in the 40's, no one remembers that. Not even Peggy ;_;
 

Dai101

Banned
To be fair, who else in the world knows Mind Control is a real thing other than the Avengers, SHIELD and Hydra? Just a few people including Jessica I guess. Until people see it they won't believe it, no matter how crazy the world it. Trisha does bring that up when she says how can you not believe this even though the city was attacked by ALIENS, so they acknowledge the hypocrisy at least

Until AoU with Wanda there weren't true mind controllers, she's the first confirmed.

(OK, maybe second if we count Dr. Johann Fennhoff/Dr. Ivchenko/Dr. Faustus)
 
Until AoU with Wanda there weren't true mind controllers, she's the first confirmed.

(OK, maybe second if we count Dr. Johann Fennhoff/Dr. Ivchenko/Dr. Faustus)
Yeah, and again, who knows how much the public knows about her abilities. Perhaps as far as they can tell she just shoots red stuff from her hands. Only the Avengers and Hydra may know the full extent of her powers.
 

Dai101

Banned
Yeah, and again, who knows how much the public knows about her abilities. Perhaps as far as they can tell she just shoots red stuff from her hands. Only the Avengers and Hydra may know the full extent of her powers.

I'm sure not even HYDRA knows, remember they were deployed (ok, they self-deployed) before they understanded them at full.
 

Kalentan

Member
I googled IGH and there appears to be nothing in the Marvel comics? So I assume this is a new group? Any chance of Hydra connections or maybe AIM?
 
I googled IGH and there appears to be nothing in the Marvel comics? So I assume this is a new group? Any chance of Hydra connections or maybe AIM?
One theory I saw on reddit was that IGH is replacing in some way MGH (Mutant Growth Hormone)?

Would make some sense, and it's a nice, simple and quick AoS tie-in that wouldn't need to much explaining
 

JC Sera

Member
just finished fucking incredible
so happy they didn't dance around the rape word

Casting was ace
Tennant was brilliant & terrifying
Most annoying character has to go to simpson
most underrated goes to malcom


Only annoying part is they killed off the wisened old black guy, best in his career, a couple years off from retirement, like DD. Just to show off "oh look this villian killed this guy, how bad is he"
 

foxtrot3d

Banned
*sigh*

I don't know where to begin, I'll just start by saying I didn't like the show. Right now I'm a bit tired since it's late but I can't really sleep so I feel like rattling off my thoughts on the show. I'm going to try to keep them as organized and literate as possible but I'm really just going to be free flowing from here on out, you know just writing random thoughts that pop in to my mind when I think about the whole show. Let's go:

If I can describe the show in a single word it would be boring. Now, some comic fanboy asshole will swoop down and say something incredibly dumb like "you just don't like the show because it's slower paced." To which I will reply, "who let you use your parent's Netflix account? And, how can you fly?" But seriously, I love slower paced shows especially filled in a TV world, especially comic TV world, of faster paced narrative where characters aren't really allowed to breathe. Jessica Jones is not slow paced, it is boring. Breaking Bad is slow paced, Fargo is slow paced and both are excellent at displaying this, JJ wants you to think it's complex and daring but it's shallow and unimaginative. Fargo is a good example because it can create mind numbing tension just from two regular people talking, you just have this eerie sense that anything can happen at a moment's notice and you become especially scared when a character is outside by themselves in the stark, open wilderness.

I don't think JJ knows what it wants to be. Now, I want to preface this all by saying I've never read any JJ comic and I don't plan to ever read one so if this show plays out exactly like the comic I don't care, that just tells me the comic is also bad. I'm not a comic reader but I've seen just about everything in the MCU, but even that doesn't matter because a good show is a good show regardless of the source material. I never gave two fuck alls about Daredevil and always found him to be a "boring" hero, a dude who is slightly not blind. Buzz off. However, the Daredevil TV show is pretty darn good with some excellent cinematography, action, acting, and plot. Now, I'm not some crazy individual who thinks it is the second coming or the best TV show of 2015, I would rank it near Arrow S1 or S2, but it was a decent show that kept me engaged. JJ, on the other hand, never kept me engaged.

For starters, despite being a private eye JJ isn't really about "detective" work or any sort of mystery. By the very first episode we know who Kilgrave is and what he is capable of and by the second episode we are formerly introduced to him. The rest of the series is a drawn out back and forth game between Kilgrave and Jessica with zero mystery or build up. He gets to her, she gets to him, he runs away, he gets back at her, she gets close to him again, etc, etc. Boring. Hey, how about instead of shoving Kilgrave into our face we have him toying with Jessica for the majority of the show, Hannibal style? You know leave a string of murders and cases at her feet that she has to piece together to find him? How about he uses his power to get to those closest to her so that she can no longer trust anyone but herself? Perhaps we can mirror Kilgrave's overt use of control with Jessica's own use of subtle manipulation to get what she wants? How about some actual psychological thrill?

Instead, JJ is content with using Kilgrave in the most uninspired way possible as this mustache twirling villain, obsessed with Jessica, who only seems to know how to use his power to kill people and occasionally spy on Jessica. There is absolutely no subtly or originality to his power usage, we're talking about a guy with the ability to control people's minds and the most original thing he can think of is "I'll let all these people kill themselves if you don't do as I say." A threat he uses pretty much every time he is on screen so that it immediately becomes boring. Oh and that threat that anyone can be a Kilgrave sleeper agent is quickly turned into a joke, relax guys he's not going to play some long con with Jessica if someone is mind controlled by him they will immediately try to kill her or someone close to her. Phew, thanks for removing all that tension.

The cast of supporting characters are even worse, not just with their inability to act, but also the uselessness of their characters with side plots that often go nowhere or are dropped for long stretches. Luke Cage shows up early on as this kind of love interest as Jessica really loves dudes with blank, expressionless faces, but he's dropped quickly and isn't seen again for a long stretch of episodes until the plot suddenly needs him again to play the "damsel." Hogarth is probably the worst character on the show, a powerful woman who just so happens to be a lesbian (surprise, a ruthless woman at the top of her game has to be a homosexual) whose wasted in a terrible sub-plot involving her ex-wife. There really isn't a single point to this sub-plot and Hogarth is presented as a person with zero redeeming qualities, hell the show does a good job of stepping on her good qualities as a lawyer. Screw you Hogarth, stop trying to help your clients and help Jessica, NOW! You see there could have been this interesting theme being conveyed through her character about the nature of power in a relationship and the need for total control, again an attempt to mirror Kilgrave but this never surfaces.

Every other side character is also equally wasted especially that Simpson dude who shows up strong for the first few episodes and then falls by the wayside because the plot no longer demands him only for him to surface again near the end for reasons. I assume he's some dude big in the comics as his reappearance just felt like a painful chore to setup stuff for the future since it was in no way relevant or necessary.

"Ugh, Jessica Kilgrave needs to die!"
"I know, we are in total agreement."
"I'm sorry, I have to kill you because you won't kill him."
"I just said I would."
"No, no, you can't fool me the only way to kill him is to kill you."
"Simpson if you really care then why don't you just leave me alone and go kill him?
"Arrggh, stop making sense and die."

Yes, he's influenced by drugs or whatever it doesn't make that whole scenario not incredibly stupid.

Again, I just have to circle back to the fact that the show is just boring. There is no mystery to solve, no clues to track, no hidden villain, no moral choices, no build up to a tense face-off. Instead, everything is just kinda there at the start and then it just sort of ends. The final show down was really pathetic because they tried to build up the fact that Kilgrave was getting stronger, that his mind control could reach new levels and range. However, none of that happens in the final show down. Killgrave basically tells Jessica where he is and then uses the same basic version of his powers he's used throughout the show. He stands next to a crowed of people and tells them to do stuff. He doesn't control someone through a telephone or shot on a megaphone for all of NY to kill themselves, he just does the same thing he's always done and then Jessica snaps his neck. Game over. Boy, oh boy, what a tense showdown that was built up throughout the entire series. Oh wait...

I just didn't get what the series was trying to convey, what was the theme and who is Jessica Jones? I believe this is supposed to be an origin story for her character so what exactly is Jessica Jones? Is she a private detective solving cases? She didn't actually solve the Kilgrave case, she didn't use much detective skills to catch him she just eventually got tired and snapped his neck. Why do people suddenly think she's a hero now for what she did at the docks and want to hire her? Again, what is her character, what does she do? I have no idea.

Further stray thoughts:
-Why is Kilgrave's sexual abuse basically glanced over? You can show him have a man put his head through a wall or force people to stab themselves to death but you can only have his sexual abuse "shown" through the hushed whispers of victims and then never really talked about again.
-Why is JJ's power so inconsistent? She can help out with ease during a bar brawl with a group of men but a later group of dudes easily beat the shit out of her with tasers? Why can she knock some people out with one punch flinging them across the room but other times regular dudes take 20 hits to do gown?
-What's the point of Reuben?
-Why is the cinematography so inconsistent to being outright bad at times?
-Why does the musical score suck beside the intro?
-I found the dialogue often really clunky and not very good.
-Must she always wear the same jacket and scarf thing?
 

Froli

Member
As I said on the other thread. The Series is mediocre, the action scenes and special effects are questionable, the story arc was stretched, it felt repetitive and old overall. Focusing on one villain made the series stale in which they could have wrapped up the purple man's storyline in 1-6/7 episodes.

Jessica Jones = 6/10
Daredevil = 9/10
 

Szeth

Member
This started off really strong but ended up very meh for me. I agree with a lot of what foxtrot said, the biggest thing being how much I thought they wasted Kilgrave.

When I watched the trailer and saw the police station bit, it instantly became my most anticipated scene, but it actually ended up being the beginning of the shows downfall for me. The scene ends without anything interesting happening and Kilgrave goes from terrifying psychopath to dumb sap in love. He still had some good scenes throughout the rest of the show but yeah, nothing new or interesting happened with his powers. So much wasted potential, I feel kinda cheated.
 
Is Nuke supposed to be in another Series? I think I remember something that he was already confirmed for another show?
I feel like something was said about him being in Luke Cage?

I still love how he looks EXACTLY like an older, shittier Steve Rodgers. Even has the same goddamn haircut
 

GAMEPROFF

Banned
Yeah me too... damn shame but it looks like they want to save the big crossovers for AFTER all the characters get their own show and spotlight
Yeah, but I remember posting the news in the OT thread and setpics. I am pretty sure they made footage with him
 
Finished it. Loved it. Jessica, Luke, Trish, Will and Kilgrave were perfectly cast.

My only real issue is that I felt Kilgrave's death was a bit anticlimactic. I was hoping Jessica was gonna crush his face when she told him to smile. Considering some of the extremely brutal deaths the show has, they definitely could of gone that way, but maybe they didn't want to have Jessica do something so gory. (Which I can understand, but it still fell a bit flat.)

Everything else was awesome. Confirm S2 ASAP please.
 
Finished it. Loved it. Jessica, Luke, Trish, Will and Kilgrave were perfectly cast.

My only real issue is that I felt Kilgrave's death was a bit anticlimactic. I was hoping Jessica was gonna crush his face when she told him to smile. Considering some of the extremely brutal deaths the show has, they definitely could of gone that way, but maybe they didn't want to have Jessica do something so gory. (Which I can understand, but it still fell a bit flat.)

Everything else was awesome. Confirm S2 ASAP please.

Naw it made sense and was kind of poetic... and yes underwhelming but you know his death was likely meant more as a relief and exhale moment than some face crushing revenge.

That said..... MCU just lost one of its best villians ever damn...
 
Just finished the show, I enjoyed it but not as much as I enjoyed Daredevil. I was really expecting Daredevil in the last episode, but I enjoyed having Rosario Dawson in there. Kilgrave was very effective as a villain and was a great character, but I felt the ending and his death was slightly underwhelming. In my opinion he shouldn't have been given the amount of focus that he had. He should have appeared every few episodes or so to do something and again at the end of the series, then have episodes in between that are just Jessica investigating strange cases.
 

Chariot

Member
I am sure Daredevil will hear from Night Nurse and Jessica will appear in Daredevil 2. For now I am glad that nobody went and stole her show. Not Daredevil, not Luke Cage. This was all about her and that's cool.
He was way to OP to have floating around. He ended up being more powerful at Mind control than Scarlet Witch in the end.
Could've with something that "cured" him, making him weaker, powerless or even give his mind damage that makes huge repercussions on his mind. But I respect that they went through with killing him, after we saw her thought process.
 

CryptiK

Member
Naw it made sense and was kind of poetic... and yes underwhelming but you know his death was likely meant more as a relief and exhale moment than some face crushing revenge.

That said..... MCU just lost one of its best villians ever damn...
He was way to OP to have floating around. He ended up being more powerful at Mind control than Scarlet Witch in the end.'
 
I am sure Daredevil will hear from Night Nurse and Jessica will appear in Daredevil 2. For now I am glad that nobody went and stole her show. Not Daredevil, not Luke Cage. This was all about her and that's cool.

Season 2 DD has a LOT of crossover potential

THey have that Luke Cage tease... They didnt really hint at JJ's future though so they might not bring her into the fold again until her season 2

Maybe IGH has a bigger role going forward? At some point powered people are going to play a large role.... damn near everywhere on earth
 

Chariot

Member
Season 2 DD has a LOT of crossover potential

THey have that Luke Cage tease... They didnt really hint at JJ's future though so they might not bring her into the fold again until her season 2

Maybe IGH has a bigger role going forward? At some point powered people are going to play a large role.... damn near everywhere on earth
I am sure she will appear in Luke Cage where they eventually make up
and have hot make-up sex than destroys Hell's kitchen.
 

Slayven

Member
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Is this gonna be the event that all the future shoes refer to, like with the alien invasion from the Avengers?

"It's so awkward that every show has to bring in the larger universe and always reference that time Jessica fucked Luke through a building."

lmao probably not

I wonder if they WILL by actively tying in the identification of all the powered people. Enhanced, Gifted, Inhuman... I mean the plot of Civil War is going to basically be the movie that sets all the references going forward... and maybe even be a significant story jumping point

This is why JJ episode 4 got to me.. The fact that people are starting to identify and confront these powered being... and discover that there are far more of them just hanging around outside of teh Avengers themselves
 
I just really hate the term gifted

I think its fine for what is a pretty grounded show

Plus the word they use has been changed from iteration to iteration which makes sense as people continue to try and explain what is happening

Wonder if a new term will be set in CIvil War. I imagine so
 

GAMEPROFF

Banned
I think its fine for what is a pretty grounded show

Plus the word they use has been changed from iteration to iteration which makes sense as people continue to try and explain what is happening

Wonder if a new term will be set in CIvil War. I imagine so
Didnt they used gifted and talents in the movies, too? I just dont like it.

Yeah they could come up with something, even though a lot of the good terms ahve been used

Spark, Ultra, Evo, Metahuman, Parahuman, Harbringer, Century Baby, etc

Maybe Extrahuman?>
Superhuman is fine.
 
Didnt they used gifted and talents in the movies, too? I just dont like it.


Superhuman is fine.

Enhanced and Inhuman are the most recent

And those terms are used by the people dealing with said powered people. "Powered People" is also a term

not sure if there will be a defacto terminology going forward. Itll probably keep changing depending on who is trying to describe a superhero
 

Joni

Member
Episode 2: Jessica and Luke don't seem impressive when it comes to fighting. And for all the talk about the sex scenes, there is nothing remarkable about them. Their first big sex scene she doesn't even bother removing her shirt. For all those parts that were hyped, it is the mystery that is hooking me the most. Still, enough time left to prove on the fighting.
 

Chariot

Member
No, Inhuman refer to very specific superpowered beings, not all of them.
Personally I prefer metahuman, because it's easy to understand even without knowing what it is.

Is this gonna be the event that all the future shows refer to, like with the alien invasion from the Avengers?

"It's so awkward that every show has to bring in the larger universe and always reference that time Jessica fucked Luke through a building."
That would be amazing tbh :D
 
Episode 2: Jessica and Luke don't seem impressive when it comes to fighting. And for all the talk about the sex scenes, there is nothing remarkable about them. Their first big sex scene she doesn't even bother removing her shirt. For all those parts that were hyped, it is the mystery that is hooking me the most. Still, enough time left to prove on the fighting.

There is really only one key episode where both of their powers are shown at the max capacity... and its awesome though still grounded. The Avengers these guys arent but that makes perfect sense

That said there is a little forshadowing that they may not be at the peak of their abilities thanks to a few elements later on
 
Finished the series last night. Now that I had some time to let it sit I'll post my thoughts.

I enjoyed it, but it's not Daredevil good. If Daredevil's an 8.5, this is a 7.

-Most of the characters from the main cast are enjoyable. Kristen Ritter nails it as Jessica. David Tennant killed it as hard as I expected him to as Kilgrave. He's an excellent villain. Maybe even better than Kingpin. I see some people complaining that his motivations were childish but...that was kind of the point. Jessica was the first time he couldn't get something he wanted so he lashed out. I fucking love whoever played Trish. Her and Jessica had some great chemistry. Luke was cool but I wish they had given him more screentime over that shitty cop dude. I like that Claire came back but I feel like the show may have made a mistake in focusing so much on her. People who just watch JJ are going to be confused as to why she matters so much

Speaking of Shitty Cop Dude, the side characters in the show were all over the place. I'm not sure what they were getting at with those twins but "unnecessary" was the only thing that came to mind with their whole subplot. I enjoyed Malcom's subplot unfolding but he's really not much of a character on his own. Shitty Cop Dude has some good moments near the beginning of the show but seems to only exist to drag things down in the later half. His whole drug subplot was forced in to reference some shit from the comics I'm guessing, but it doesn't work. He just comes off as a scumbag. It's also not intertwined very well with the rest of the story either. That's the main problem with the subplots. They feel like they don't matter. I felt like Daredevil started to have this problem too toward the end but they managed to tie most things together in the final episode. This...doesn't, but the main plot of things ended up being tense and satisfactory.


This show could have benefited from being shorter and streamlined. At least with Daredevil there were a lot of things I would be hesitant to cut out if the time came, but not here. Feels like they were struggling to reach 13 episodes of material. I still enjoyed it though.
 

Kinokou

Member
To me on of the biggest tension killers were that Killgraves power had too few limits. When I think every single character is going to betray JJ at any moment that isn't nearly as effective to me as if I actually had to take some guesses because he could only control x people at the time. Being more limited would also have given some much needed oomph to him powering up at the end.
 

Chariot

Member
To me on of the biggest tension killers were that Killgraves power had too few limits. When I think every single character is going to betray JJ at any moment that isn't nearly as effective to me as if I actually had to take some guesses because he could only control x people at the time. Being more limited would also have given some much needed oomph to him powering up at the end.
Funnily enough I thought it was great, because it had so many limits.
 
Finished the series last night. Now that I had some time to let it sit I'll post my thoughts.

I enjoyed it, but it's not Daredevil good. If Daredevil's an 8.5, this is a 7.

-Most of the characters from the main cast are enjoyable. Kristen Ritter nails it as Jessica. David Tennant killed it as hard as I expected him to as Kilgrave. He's an excellent villain. Maybe even better than Kingpin. I see some people complaining that his motivations were childish but...that was kind of the point. Jessica was the first time he couldn't get something he wanted so he lashed out. I fucking love whoever played Trish. Her and Jessica had some great chemistry. Luke was cool but I wish they had given him more screentime over that shitty cop dude. I like that Claire came back but I feel like the show may have made a mistake in focusing so much on her. People who just watch JJ are going to be confused as to why she matters so much

Speaking of Shitty Cop Dude, the side characters in the show were all over the place. I'm not sure what they were getting at with those twins but "unnecessary" was the only thing that came to mind with their whole subplot. I enjoyed Malcom's subplot unfolding but he's really not much of a character on his own. Shitty Cop Dude has some good moments near the beginning of the show but seems to only exist to drag things down in the later half. His whole drug subplot was forced in to reference some shit from the comics I'm guessing, but it doesn't work. He just comes off as a scumbag. It's also not intertwined very well with the rest of the story either. That's the main problem with the subplots. They feel like they don't matter. I felt like Daredevil started to have this problem too toward the end but they managed to tie most things together in the final episode. This...doesn't, but the main plot of things ended up being tense and satisfactory.


This show could have benefited from being shorter and streamlined. At least with Daredevil there were a lot of things I would be hesitant to cut out if the time came, but not here. Feels like they were struggling to reach 13 episodes of material. I still enjoyed it though.

I thought Jeryn Hogarths subplot to replicate Kilgraves powers was going to have more importance and lead in. ended up being a plot deive allowing Kilgrave to grow stronger. Then again.. the experience Jeri had might be the catalyst for her to dig more into what makes powered people. Sad that they never bothered to hint at her link to the Rand Family
 

jmood88

Member
I didn't think that they'd actually kill Kilgrave. I had expected him to somehow escape. Oh and the neighbor girl is right up there with Karen on the list of characters I wish would die.
 

Joni

Member
There is really only one key episode where both of their powers are shown at the max capacity... and its awesome though still grounded. The Avengers these guys arent but that makes perfect sense

That said there is a little forshadowing that they may not be at the peak of their abilities thanks to a few elements later on

I'm thinking more choreography. Patsy's episode 3 fight with the cop guy is a lot more interesting compared to Jessica's awkward punch. On the other hand, it is normal as she has powers and her opponents (until now anyway) don't.
 
I'm thinking more choreography. Patsy's episode 3 fight with the cop guy is a lot more interesting compared to Jessica's awkward punch. On the other hand, it is normal as she has powers and her opponents (until now anyway) don't.

Yeah... agreed. Episode 12 did a effing great job of a super powered fight though
 

Busaiku

Member
The justification for Jessica breaking free seemed really dumb.
So she didn't want to kill her, but she did, so now she's good.
I don't think anyone wanted to anything, but no one else broke free.

I didn't read Alias, but I know that Purple Man can't control someone with great will or something like that, so I figured this would tie into her freedom.
It kind of is, in a way, but they did a poor job at explaining it.
 
The justification for Jessica breaking free seemed really dumb.
So she didn't want to kill her, but she did, so now she's good.
I don't think anyone wanted to anything, but no one else broke free.

I didn't read Alias, but I know that Purple Man can't control someone with grwart will or something like that, so I figured this would tie into her freedom.
It kind of is, in a way, but they did a poor job at explaining it.

Yeah agreed.

It might have something to do, in this depiction, with here powers. Because if asking someone to commit an act that is really reall counter to your own will is the trigger for resistance to the "virus" then there are plenty of examples where other people should have been in the same boat

Clearly her power was the edge that allowed her break free... I imagine Luke Cage was also close to breaking free potentially
 
Sorry I just don't buy a world where aliens rained down from the sky is the same one where people are skeptical of mind control. These shows are actually being hurt by the MCU connections rather than benefitting from them at all. It's a pointless connection at the moment :\
 

mreddie

Member
Sorry I just don't buy a world where aliens rained down from the sky is the same one where people are skeptical of mind control. These shows are actually being hurt by the MCU connections rather than benefitting from them at all. It's a pointless connection at the moment :\

Yeah, unless SHIELD never revealed what happened in New Mexico or suddenly aliens invading New York got redacted, yeah, I don't buy people getting skeptical.
 
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