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Mockingbird
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Anyone here know how many copies of BKII were sold this week? Thanks. Such a shame that this game isn't getting any attention. I hope the U.S. release in June will be much better!
Chris Michael
Banned
heidern said:
Woooah, where's all the hate towards Monroje coming from? I mean he IS after all correct in his assumption that the PSP completly owns the DS in terms of third-party sales. And I have the numbers to prove it. Obviously we have to look at the WHOLE picture, so we'll look at the US! Because we all know that japanese gamers can't be trusted when it comes to games.
Alright, here we go.
The PSP retails at 249$, while the DS is being dumped on the market for $129. No wonder that Nintendo can somewhat keep up with Sony in the installed user base, I mean people are probably going "Honey, bring me some gum, will you? And while you're at it, grabe me a couple of those 'ol DS systems". But I'm starting to rant. Anyways, the tie-ratio for the DS is 1,72 (or something like that) while the PSP has a somewhat similar one.
So it's pretty easy for Nintendo fanboys to spin the numbers. But again, we are not looking at the whole picture. The PSP is 120$ more than the DS. People could, or rather should be buying AT LEAST 3 games with their system. But they aren't. They are buying only half of that. So if we take the price of each system into the equation, we get A NEGATIVE TIE-RATIO for the DS (-1,3), while the PSP owns the DS in that regard with an AWESOME TIE-RATIO of 4,7!
Here's the math for all you haters:
DS: $129, tie-ratio 1,7
PSP: $249, tie-ratio 1,7
$249-$129 = $120 / $40 = 3 games
DS: 1,7 - 3 = -1,3
PSP: 1,7 + 3 = 4,7
If I had the time, I would take into account functions of the PSP that have to be purchased seperatly for the DS, like the web browser, which would improve the tie-ratio of the PSP even further. You can't simply compare two numbers, you have to look at the whole picture and take into account things like retail price, functions, installed user base, third-party sales in regard to the installed user base etc. pp.
Alright, here we go.
The PSP retails at 249$, while the DS is being dumped on the market for $129. No wonder that Nintendo can somewhat keep up with Sony in the installed user base, I mean people are probably going "Honey, bring me some gum, will you? And while you're at it, grabe me a couple of those 'ol DS systems". But I'm starting to rant. Anyways, the tie-ratio for the DS is 1,72 (or something like that) while the PSP has a somewhat similar one.
So it's pretty easy for Nintendo fanboys to spin the numbers. But again, we are not looking at the whole picture. The PSP is 120$ more than the DS. People could, or rather should be buying AT LEAST 3 games with their system. But they aren't. They are buying only half of that. So if we take the price of each system into the equation, we get A NEGATIVE TIE-RATIO for the DS (-1,3), while the PSP owns the DS in that regard with an AWESOME TIE-RATIO of 4,7!
Here's the math for all you haters:
DS: $129, tie-ratio 1,7
PSP: $249, tie-ratio 1,7
$249-$129 = $120 / $40 = 3 games
DS: 1,7 - 3 = -1,3
PSP: 1,7 + 3 = 4,7
If I had the time, I would take into account functions of the PSP that have to be purchased seperatly for the DS, like the web browser, which would improve the tie-ratio of the PSP even further. You can't simply compare two numbers, you have to look at the whole picture and take into account things like retail price, functions, installed user base, third-party sales in regard to the installed user base etc. pp.
I might be even serious about this
A Link to the Past
Banned
zou said:
Spin? You're ignoring the actual statistic of what's selling better in terms of software (focusing instead on price difference, which, IIRC, is not even the correct price of the two systems), and you're calling us focusing on actual factual spin?
:lol
Somebody needs to make a set of Phoenix Wright avatars.
Oh, I found something cool - snip rearranged can be spin!
So I'm changing the quote for comical reasons.
A Link to the Past
Banned
zou said:Shut up already you nintendo fanboy.
Come one, you can't think that reply was serious
Well, you're a Junior, and... well, Mono, you know.
Well, now I'll just remember that everything you say is utter bunk.
But... wouldn't that mean that you not being serious would be a lie?
A Link to the Past said:Well, you're a Junior, and... well, Mono, you know.
Well, now I'll just remember that everything you say is utter bunk.
But... wouldn't that mean that you not being serious would be a lie?
I, and lying? Never!
Or would I?
But the math part did have an error, I forgot the DS is in the US $129 as well.
Seriously, I just wanted to show how ridiculous Monorojes looking at the whole picture, while spinning the globe like a mad person, is.
Ruud_Luiten
Member
You are beginning to irritate. PSP is awesomeee.. Are you form sony, do you have any capital stock in sony?Monorojo said:
This topic is about weekly sales in Japan and you keep on saying PSP is awesome and even if it 3rd party sales aren't good in japan, they are awesome in the west. PSP is AWSEEOME!! 1
Both are doing fine. NDS is only doing better in Japan.
Oh I'd agree, 3rd party sales are pretty dismal across both machines, as was GBA generally. Square Enix's titles comparatively weak sales for their new releases this week(Valkyrie PSP and Mana DS) illustrate that, both games probably should've moved double what they did. Games like Tamagotchi are the exception on all handhelds really, not only DS.jj984jj said:
DefectiveReject
Banned
I feel that most people out last week to get hardware and didnt, are probably holding off buying games and waiting til they get a machine. I think CoM will have legs but if anything damaged game sales its Nintendos releases. I think they should give 3rd parties a window to release their games without any Nintendo releases.jarrod said:
Looking at Mario Kart and AC:WW numbers, New Super Mario Bros is gonna be huge!!
I guess... but are Nintendo handheld sales also killing PSP software sales? Valkyrie Profile did rather badly as well (as have Initial D, Puyo 2, Samurai Warriors, Metal Gear 2, the MegaMan remakes, etc, etc), I think it's more a case of overall handheld trends than just Nintendo killing 3rd parties on GBA/DS.DefectiveReject said:
It's pretty bad for this particular port... no way is VP going to catch Eternia now and I wouldn't be surprised if this dissuades Square Enix somewhat from future PSP ports. VP isn't a huge brand in itself, but it's still a fairly significant release and the tri-Ace names brings a certain higher level prestiege. 70k is really unacceptable for a game like this.RaijinFY said:
Seiken Densetsu DS is equally dissapointing though imo. Even though it's not a "real" SD game and was farmed out to a SEGA subsidiary, the brand should've pulled in quite a bit more imo... and I sincerely doubt it'll have the legs Slime Morimori 2 did, it probably won't crack 200k even. Square stumbled on both machines this week imo.
Magicpaint
Member
I think 70K for Valkyrie is pretty good. Didn't Eternia pull in like 87K in its opening week? And Tales games are more popular than Valkyrie, plus I doubt the port job cost that much.
CoM isn't a bomb really, but disappointing in the sense that it's a mana game, and this is the poorest performance so far, maybe SoM left a sour taste in the mouth of Mana fans?
CoM isn't a bomb really, but disappointing in the sense that it's a mana game, and this is the poorest performance so far, maybe SoM left a sour taste in the mouth of Mana fans?
I wouldn't say either's a "bomb", but both are really dissapointing and should've moved significantly more. We can make excuses on both sides (VP being an inferior port, VP not being that big a brand, VP being outsourced, SD being outsourced, SD being a dungeon crawl spinoff, SD not being too big a brand, etc) but really both these games should've moved quite a bit more.
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
VP sold 635k...ToE 670k...ToE PSP opened with 74k...(famitsu figures of course xd)
Maybe it won't have ToE legs (near 230k on PSP) but I don't think its doing bad.
Children of Mana otoh is underperforming imo...its completely new, its supposed to be better than that 'Sword' of something xD...but its doing quite worse.
Maybe it won't have ToE legs (near 230k on PSP) but I don't think its doing bad.
Children of Mana otoh is underperforming imo...its completely new, its supposed to be better than that 'Sword' of something xD...but its doing quite worse.
lochnesssnowman
Member
I don't think it's fair to say that either are bombs.
The Japanese market now is not the same as it was when these comparisons are being drawn from (SoM (or any previous Mana) vs CoM, VP vs PS1 VP etc). Not to mention platform demographics / installed base. Outwith Pokemon, handheld RPGs have hardly racked up anything near their console equivalents either (inc. FFIV, Mother 1+2, Kingdom Hearts etc).
It's easy to knock a games sales when you are the one that created the initial target of a bazillion copies yourself.
The Japanese market now is not the same as it was when these comparisons are being drawn from (SoM (or any previous Mana) vs CoM, VP vs PS1 VP etc). Not to mention platform demographics / installed base. Outwith Pokemon, handheld RPGs have hardly racked up anything near their console equivalents either (inc. FFIV, Mother 1+2, Kingdom Hearts etc).
It's easy to knock a games sales when you are the one that created the initial target of a bazillion copies yourself.
Walter Matthau
Member
RaijinFY said:
It's been a trend in the series and looking at Legend and Sword, can you blame people for being cautious?
To be fair, COM isn't a "real" Seiken Densetsu game, it's a spinoff. And it was outsourced to an entirely new team. And the franchise hasn't really been a big brand since the SFC hey days... if Seiken Densetsu 4 only manages 100k that'd be one thing, but this isn't exactly the same situation.RaijinFY said:
I do think COM's performance is dissapointing, but people are blowing the game's stature out of proportion. Meanwhile since "it's only a port" a similarly dismal PSP performance gets a free pass.
It is part of the main series though, it's design is more in line with the established series and it's being made by the actual SD development division within Square Enix. All unlike Chidren of Mana.RaijinFY said:"Seiken Densetsu 4" shouldnt have even been called Seiken Densetsu. It's an action-adventure (not an action-RPG) and It will perform under the previous installment (Seiken 2, 3 and Legend of Mana) for sure. But It just shows how shitty Square is nowdays...
Chris Michael
Banned
I'd like to reinforce what someone else already said in the thread that COM's sales are only for 3 days. Is that still underperforming compared to Sword of Mana's first week sales (serious question, not rhetorical)?
Looks like early predictions are in for the FF XII launch week at around 1.6m which is slightly higher than X-2 (1.5m) but less than X (2m) and would lead to around 2.2-2.3m total, which is about in line with what I'm predicting as well...
http://www.kyoto.zaq.ne.jp/dkbkq103/yso/machi/1311.htm
And yes, that's another week of 90k for BT2 and 75k for Animal Crossing (Week starting today basically)...
http://www.kyoto.zaq.ne.jp/dkbkq103/yso/machi/1311.htm
And yes, that's another week of 90k for BT2 and 75k for Animal Crossing (Week starting today basically)...
FFXII will outsell FFX in the long run, you'll see
Initial shipments are said to be around 2M, and a lot of smaller retailers have sold out of pre-orders. I think it'll be easy to buy at the big stores, but it's still going to sell a lot. The ads are working really well, I think.
Initial shipments are said to be around 2M, and a lot of smaller retailers have sold out of pre-orders. I think it'll be easy to buy at the big stores, but it's still going to sell a lot. The ads are working really well, I think.
Jonnyram said:FFXII will outsell FFX in the long run, you'll see
Initial shipments are said to be around 2M, and a lot of smaller retailers have sold out of pre-orders. I think it'll be easy to buy at the big stores, but it's still going to sell a lot. The ads are working really well, I think.
We'll see ;-)
I'm calling 1.7m opening weekend, 2.4m total.
I think it'll get close to AC LTD in about week 4 but will then drop behind it and AC will pull ahead even further en route to 3.2m total.