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meltpotato
Member
INTENSE.
edit: beaten :lol
EmCeeGramr
Member
Well, I guess the dsl had a 100 percent sell through rate. : /
Next shipment is in two days?
Next shipment is in two days?
Great Rumbler
Member
Xbox360 is just laying low for a while. Just you wait, when the games hit...IT'LL POUNCE!!
TheTurtleTitan
Member
Xbox sales actually increased?
Wow, I'm impressed. I don't know what they did, but it's a step in right direction.
Wow, I'm impressed. I don't know what they did, but it's a step in right direction.
jarrod said:
Thats actually quite misleading. It looks like 3rd parties on DS atleast sold double (even triple!) that of PSP.
Looking at 3rd party sales for 2005 DS was 3.3 million vs PSP 2.3 million.... Avg title DS 78k vs Avg PSP title 49k. Thats a pretty big advantage for DS i admit.
But Now take away #1 spot on each and PSP is at 1.8 million vs DS 2.3 million. Avg title 55k for DS and 43k for PSP. Not very big difference at all really.
Then take into consideration fanbase...attach rate (w/ #1 titles) for third parties is .79 for DS and PSP is .95. Now take away #1 title for each and it's DS .55 vs PSP .81
So considering everything, PSP did very well vs DS in 2005, blew them out in 2004 and is about equal so far in 2006 (VP will sell over 85k by next week, Initial D may reach that eventually as well).
You have to look at everything, not just top sellers or one year.
And isnt it amazing people consider PSP a failure in Japan when in 2 months it has sold more there (400k) then it will likely in the same time span in US (PSP sold 180k~ Jan) where its considered a great success. The system is selling amazingly well for being "dead" like so many claim here
. Software sales are much better in the US tho.Monorojo said:Thats actually quite misleading. It looks like 3rd parties on DS atleast sold double (even triple!) that of PSP.
Looking at 3rd party sales for 2005 DS was 3.3 million vs PSP 2.3 million.... Avg title DS 78k vs Avg PSP title 49k. Thats a pretty big advantage for DS i admit.
But Now take away #1 spot on each and PSP is at 1.8 million vs DS 2.3 million. Avg title 55k for DS and 43k for PSP. Not very big difference at all really.
Then take into consideration fanbase...attach rate (w/ #1 titles) for third parties is .79 for DS and PSP is .95. Now take away #1 title for each and it's DS .55 vs PSP .81
So considering everything, PSP did very well vs DS in 2005, blew them out in 2004 and is about equal so far in 2006 (VP will sell over 85k by next week, Initial D may reach that eventually as well).
You have to look at everything, not just top sellers or one year.
And isnt it amazing people consider PSP a failure in Japan when in 2 months it has sold more there (400k) then it will likely in the same time span in US (PSP sold 180k~ Jan) where its considered a great success. The system is selling amazingly well for being "dead" like so many claim here
Repeat after me:
THIRD
PARTIES
ARE
SELLING
MORE
GAMES
ON
THE
NINTENDO
DUAL SCREEN
VIDEOGAME SYSTEM
IN
JAPAN
Frankfurter
Member
Monorojo said:
Best post of the week, seriously :lol :lol
Let's take away that, then consider this ... change a bit of that ...
Granted. So why do you take away the #1 spot of each handheld if you wanna look at everything (definition of "everything" =/= "well ... DS has a million seller and it mustn't be counted")?
What
In 2004 not even close.
In 2005 sure.
In 2006 im not sure.
Total by a very small amount.
Now repeat after me, the avg. PSP 3rd party title is selling just as well compared to the average thrid party DS game even when the fanbase is double the size.
If thats not any indication that 3rd parties arent leaving PSP i dont know what is.
In 2004 not even close.
In 2005 sure.
In 2006 im not sure.
Total by a very small amount.
Now repeat after me, the avg. PSP 3rd party title is selling just as well compared to the average thrid party DS game even when the fanbase is double the size.
If thats not any indication that 3rd parties arent leaving PSP i dont know what is.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
On the one hand, DS Lite launch week supplies were low. On the other hand, it still surpassed the yearly sales for GCN, GBA, GBA SP, GBM, Xbox, and Xbox 360.
With this week's numbers, it looks like Nintendo has taken a slight lead in total hardware sales for the year.
Compared to this time last year...
With this week's numbers, it looks like Nintendo has taken a slight lead in total hardware sales for the year.
Code:
N: 716,102 49.5%
S: 703,690 48.6%
M: 27,340 1.9%Compared to this time last year...
Code:
N: 620,293 37.9%
S: 1,010,866 61.8%
M: 4,017 0.2%Ehh, AniHawk is a bit harder to read. Unlike, say, a Gahiggidy, he's not always "on". And unlike some others, he doesn't go over the top to flag when he is.Fuzzy said:
Darmstadtium
Bandwagoner
TheTurtleTitan said:
Hehe...a step in the right direction doesn't mean much when you've still got a mile to run to catch up.
Quite a compliment considering the source.Monorojo said:
Too bad DS has totally spanked PSP the past 6 months in 3rd party software sales. It's pretty clear where the trends are going, DS is managing to not only eat GBA's market base but it's actually expanding past it... meanwhile PSP has ultimately failed to really drive anything significant in Japan beyond serving as a niche PS2 compliment. It's pretty telling when your best selling games the past year were no frills PS2/PS1 ports and a SEGA nongame... seriously, the fact is PSP just is not in good shape in Japan. Games like MG AC!D 2, Rockman Rockman, Initial D, etc bombing out the gates is not the sign of healthy software scene. Clinging to total software sales doesn't mean much when the trends so obviously a steep decline.
TY Fuzzy.Fuzzy said:
All this proves is it depends on how you spin it, which is why I was implying aLttP's and Mono's topics the other day were a horrible idea.jarrod said:
Fact is: 3rd party games in general do horrible on handhelds. Plain and simple.
Viewtiful Darkness
Member
Monorojo said:Thats actually quite misleading. It looks like 3rd parties on DS atleast sold double (even triple!) that of PSP.
Looking at 3rd party sales for 2005 DS was 3.3 million vs PSP 2.3 million.... Avg title DS 78k vs Avg PSP title 49k. Thats a pretty big advantage for DS i admit.
But Now take away #1 spot on each and PSP is at 1.8 million vs DS 2.3 million. Avg title 55k for DS and 43k for PSP. Not very big difference at all really.
Then take into consideration fanbase...attach rate (w/ #1 titles) for third parties is .79 for DS and PSP is .95. Now take away #1 title for each and it's DS .55 vs PSP .81
So considering everything, PSP did very well vs DS in 2005, blew them out in 2004 and is about equal so far in 2006 (VP will sell over 85k by next week, Initial D may reach that eventually as well).
You have to look at everything, not just top sellers or one year.
And isnt it amazing people consider PSP a failure in Japan when in 2 months it has sold more there (400k) then it will likely in the same time span in US (PSP sold 180k~ Jan) where its considered a great success. The system is selling amazingly well for being "dead" like so many claim here
If you have to take everything into account then why do you have to take away the #1 selling third party game from each handheld?
jarrod said:Quite a compliment considering the source.
Too bad DS has totally spanked PSP the past 6 months in 3rd party software sales. It's pretty clear where the trends are going, DS is managing to not only eat GBA's market base but it's actually expanding past it... meanwhile PSP has ultimately failed to really drive anything significant in Japan beyond serving as a niche PS2 compliment. It's pretty telling when your best selling games the past year were no frills PS2/PS1 ports and a SEGA nongame... seriously, the fact is PSP just is not in good shape in Japan. Games like MG AC!D 2, Rockman Rockman, Initial D, etc bombing out the gates is not the sign of healthy software scene. Clinging to total software sales doesn't mean much when the trends so obviously a steep decline.
So you mean to say that Nintendo non-games being the best-selling games for a platform is somehow better than Sega non-games being the same thing!? WTF, it's ON!!!!
*calls out for all the Sega fanboys*
*silence*
Viewtiful Darkness
Member
Monorojo said:
It's really not that hard. I will do it right now with a question:
Besides GTA and EA games, what third party PSP games have sold over 300k in the US?
Great Rumbler
Member
I like numbers.
The one factor that will make 3rd parties cling to DS is the fact that DS games a dirt ass cheap to develop compared to all other game systems. And no the high price of PSP games does not negate the difference in cost. PSP games have to sell more than DS games to recoupe the same amount of development costs. This is why we see so many ports on the PSP not because the developers are lazy but because of money. Disk based media combined with near PS2 level graphics is an expensive combo for a portable. This is and will continue to be the determining factor for portables. Publishers do not want to entertain the thought of portable development budgets approaching their console budgets.
Although IMO we shouldn't really be talking much about NA sales in a Japanese sales thread. Most 3rd parties games without a license attached don't sell well on handhelds in America as well. GTA is like Tamagotchi in NA, it's not indication of 3rd party sales on the PSP.Fuzzy said:
But then again, Mono will spin anything to make the PSP look good and make the DS look bad.
LanceStern
Banned
Have we ever gotten the FULL LTDS for PSP/DS game in the US based off of January NPD?
I remember I had a pretty bg list, but Crazy buttocks didn't put ALL the sales, so some of the list wasn't fully updated
I remember I had a pretty bg list, but Crazy buttocks didn't put ALL the sales, so some of the list wasn't fully updated
Chris Michael
Banned
Fuzzy said:40K and I'm not just making that up, it's a real number just like AniHawk's.
If you're serious then I guess that's reason enough for 3rd parties to go to the DS instead of the PSP. Does the same thing apply to American sales (selling 40k to turn a profit)?