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Magicpaint
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Dante said:
Didn't you hear of first shipment figures? It doesn't matter how large the lines were, the DSLite sold out in minutes.
Frankfurter
Member
Monorojo said:
Do you have any explanation why we should take away the top title of each plattform (besides the fact that for the DS it is Tamagotchi with a bit over a million)?
meltpotato
Member
Dante said:Actually I didn'tbut now's your chance to tell me
estimated was 82k... but due tot he fact that pretty much everywhere was sold out at openning of doors, whatever sold is pretty much whatever shipped.
Walter Matthau
Member
Ganondorf>Link said:
It's really not, but it's below (GAF) expectations. I think it could have sold a littler more had there been more DSLs available. People like to pick up new games to show off their new systems. However, it could have the same legs that DQM had on DS.
OK, a few things:
1) FFX sales are actually over 2.93m now. These numbers were including the international version (0.28m), the mega hits (0.17m) and the original release (2.48m). If you remember though, the FFX mega hits version was re-released recently and has done about another 150k, so the game has done very well on budget release, same with Kingdom Hearts (about another 300k).
2) However, I agree that when comparing to FF XII there are a number of factors, and it is really the 2.48m number that we should compare to since FF XII will not have a further 4-5 years to continue selling like a game does released early on in a consoles life. This is a standard thing, games released towards the end of the life of a console sell massive first weeks (large userbase all rush out to buy) and then drop away. This is yet another reason why all the DS games will hit such massive numbers, they have a good 2-3 years sales in them yet.
3) FF XII will probably sell about on par with FF X's original release, which can be seen at http://everythingandnothing.org.uk/vg/japgamewk.php?name=Final Fantasy X. So getting close to 2m opening few days (maybe just over) and then dropping away. No way will it do Dragon Quest 3m+ level numbers. In fact I don't think a Final Fantasy game will ever break 3.5m again in Japan, the series definitely peaked at VII and VIII, and FF XII is in a very similar situation to FF IX back in 2000 on PS.
4) Children of Mana is disappointing. I was expecting around 200k at least (Sword of Mana was just a remake of the original Seiken Densetsu game, this is a whole new installment on the DS, the machine of the moment in Japan) so 100k is low. It'll probably struggle to do 200k total now, although it may have some legs and may have been affected to an extent by DS Lite shortages etc and people waiting until they pick up a Lite to get the game, we'll have to wait and see. And Puzzleloop is a bit of a bomb as well. So overall quite disappointing, but then it's a marathon and not a sprint and the rest of March is going to be very interesting...
1) FFX sales are actually over 2.93m now. These numbers were including the international version (0.28m), the mega hits (0.17m) and the original release (2.48m). If you remember though, the FFX mega hits version was re-released recently and has done about another 150k, so the game has done very well on budget release, same with Kingdom Hearts (about another 300k).
2) However, I agree that when comparing to FF XII there are a number of factors, and it is really the 2.48m number that we should compare to since FF XII will not have a further 4-5 years to continue selling like a game does released early on in a consoles life. This is a standard thing, games released towards the end of the life of a console sell massive first weeks (large userbase all rush out to buy) and then drop away. This is yet another reason why all the DS games will hit such massive numbers, they have a good 2-3 years sales in them yet.
3) FF XII will probably sell about on par with FF X's original release, which can be seen at http://everythingandnothing.org.uk/vg/japgamewk.php?name=Final Fantasy X. So getting close to 2m opening few days (maybe just over) and then dropping away. No way will it do Dragon Quest 3m+ level numbers. In fact I don't think a Final Fantasy game will ever break 3.5m again in Japan, the series definitely peaked at VII and VIII, and FF XII is in a very similar situation to FF IX back in 2000 on PS.
4) Children of Mana is disappointing. I was expecting around 200k at least (Sword of Mana was just a remake of the original Seiken Densetsu game, this is a whole new installment on the DS, the machine of the moment in Japan) so 100k is low. It'll probably struggle to do 200k total now, although it may have some legs and may have been affected to an extent by DS Lite shortages etc and people waiting until they pick up a Lite to get the game, we'll have to wait and see. And Puzzleloop is a bit of a bomb as well. So overall quite disappointing, but then it's a marathon and not a sprint and the rest of March is going to be very interesting...
Frankfurter said:
Tamagotchi sold 3X the amount of any other 3rd party game, its not an indication of how DS 3rd party is doing in general, its the exception.
Take away Tamagotchi and DS 3rd party sales are absolutetely pathetic. Take away PSP top title and it isnt hurt nearly as bad.
Actually by taking away the #1 title for each, PSP
> DS.
Frankfurter
Member
Fuzzy said:
:lol :lol
Monorojo said:
Yeah great..., of course Tamagotchi isn't an indication of how DS 3rd party games are doing in general, otherwise it wouldn't be the no.1 selling DS 3rd party game.
Interesting self-fulfilling prophecy.
Red Blaster
Member
Tamagotchi is a non-game tho, in-line with all the other high sellers on the DS.
Monorojo said:
We have this conversation again and again, so what?? Sony's first party offerings have been so weak and Nintendo's so strong that I don't see what bearing this has! PSP has had more high-profile 3rd party games than DS. There are lots of reasons for this, but things will soon change anyway with more and more big 3rd party games coming out on DS.
Sony is the #3 publisher in the US (behind EA and Nintendo) and #3 in Japan (Behind Bandia and Nintendo) in terms of Handhelds
It isnt like they are a joke and dont even try to act like they are, its just that third parties sell great along side Sony games on PSP. Cant say the same thing for DS.
It isnt like they are a joke and dont even try to act like they are, its just that third parties sell great along side Sony games on PSP. Cant say the same thing for DS.
Walter Matthau
Member
Monorojo said:
Your point is valid, but 3rd party sales for the PSP were much higher closer to its launch. The only three big 3rd party games since then have been Winning Eleven (no-brainer), Brain Training (wonder where that idea came from), and Monster Hunter. On top of that, PSP has been getting huge titles like Metal Gear, Megaman, SMT, Katamari Damacy, and so on while the DS has been getting games like Pac n' Roll and Resident Evil rehash. PSP's 3rd party sales should be dominating DS's.
Magicpaint
Member
Monorojo said:
Tamagotchi says hi!
Sorry, your crusade about how third party games aren't selling on DS isn't working! Nintendo as a company will eclipse just about every third party in terms of sales, because they have been the number 1 in Japan for years even without Pokemon company. So obviously, others will pale in comparison. Doesn't mean on their own, third party sales aren't doing well on the DS.
Red Blaster
Member
Who cares how much Nintendo makes. They stink, lol. This thread has gone stupid anyhow.
A Link to the Past
Banned
*snips Monster Hunter*
O, would you look at that? Third party sales on PSP suck.
O, would you look at that? Third party sales on PSP suck.
Take away top for each and its 3.1 million~ PSP and 2.8 million~ DS.
It simply gives a better indication of what system 3rd parties are selling better on, and thats PSP. DS has one hit, Tamagotchi and the rest have sold far less than stellar. And then when you consider fanbase its no longer even a question which system is doing better for 3rd parties, it actually becomes a complete joke.
Just becuase Nintendo sells well doesnt mean 3rd parties should sell like junk outside of Tamagotchi. Sony games have always sold well (not nearly to the extent of Nintendo however) and 3rd parties have flourished on the system.
Its just that DS fanbase buys DS for Nintendo games primarily. PSP owners buy PSP for teh 3rd party support primarily and then Sony games are jsut an extra. 3rd parties are obviously taking note of this.
Also Resident Evil port and SE franchises are much bigger currently than Megaman port, SMT, or Katarmi port. And lately PSP has had a huge boost from 3rd party's, including Initial D and Valkryie Profile which have both done pretty damn good considering nothing was selling on PSP period since August up until MHortable.
http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=88872
It simply gives a better indication of what system 3rd parties are selling better on, and thats PSP. DS has one hit, Tamagotchi and the rest have sold far less than stellar. And then when you consider fanbase its no longer even a question which system is doing better for 3rd parties, it actually becomes a complete joke.
Just becuase Nintendo sells well doesnt mean 3rd parties should sell like junk outside of Tamagotchi. Sony games have always sold well (not nearly to the extent of Nintendo however) and 3rd parties have flourished on the system.
Its just that DS fanbase buys DS for Nintendo games primarily. PSP owners buy PSP for teh 3rd party support primarily and then Sony games are jsut an extra. 3rd parties are obviously taking note of this.
Also Resident Evil port and SE franchises are much bigger currently than Megaman port, SMT, or Katarmi port. And lately PSP has had a huge boost from 3rd party's, including Initial D and Valkryie Profile which have both done pretty damn good considering nothing was selling on PSP period since August up until MH
ortable.Mrbob said:
http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=88872
Frankfurter
Member
Monorojo said:Take away top for each and its 3.1 million~ PSP and 2.8 million~ DS.
It simply gives a better indication of what system 3rd parties are selling better on, and thats PSP. DS has one hit, Tamagotchi and the rest have sold far less than stellar. And then when you consider fanbase its no longer even a question which system is doing better for 3rd parties, it actually becomes a complete joke.
Just becuase Nintendo sells well doesnt mean 3rd parties should sell like junk outside of Tamagotchi. Sony games have always sold well (not nearly to the extent of Nintendo however) and 3rd parties have flourished on the system.
Its just that DS fanbase buys DS for Nintendo games primarily. PSP owners buy PSP for teh 3rd party support primarily and then Sony games are jsut an extra. 3rd parties are obviously taking note of this.
Also Resident Evil port and SE franchises are much bigger currently than Megaman port, SMT, or Katarmi port. And lately PSP has had a huge boost from 3rd party's, including Initial D and Valkryie Profile which have both done pretty damn good considering nothing was selling on PSP period since August up until MH
http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=88872
Archie, your Avatar is amazing
Monorojo said:
Despite all of the posted evidence in this thread that DS 3rd party titles actually sell better than PSP 3rd party titles you somehow remain insanely ignorant.
Who cares what the total sales are compared to install base? All that really matters is where the bigger overall numbers are. DS 3rd party software on the average sells better. If I was to make a DS and PSP game and have the DS only sell 10k more, I wouldn't be thinking that the PSP release was a success while the DS release was a flop due to install base numbers. I'd be hailing the DS release as the more successful title because it put more money in my pocket (especially when you consider dev budgets).
Monorojo said:Take away top for each and its 3.1 million~ PSP and 2.8 million~ DS.
It simply gives a better indication of what system 3rd parties are selling better on, and thats PSP. DS has one hit, Tamagotchi and the rest have sold far less than stellar. And then when you consider fanbase its no longer even a question which system is doing better for 3rd parties, it actually becomes a complete joke.
Just becuase Nintendo sells well doesnt mean 3rd parties should sell like junk outside of Tamagotchi. Sony games have always sold well (not nearly to the extent of Nintendo however) and 3rd parties have flourished on the system.
Its just that DS fanbase buys DS for Nintendo games primarily. PSP owners buy PSP for teh 3rd party support primarily and then Sony games are jsut an extra. 3rd parties are obviously taking note of this.
Also Resident Evil port and SE franchises are much bigger currently than Megaman port, SMT, or Katarmi port. And lately PSP has had a huge boost from 3rd party's, including Initial D and Valkryie Profile which have both done pretty damn good considering nothing was selling on PSP period since August up until MH
http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=88872
I didn't notice that thread and looking back it got a lot of hate which was a bit harsh, but to be honest what exactly are you saying?
That third parties do relatively better on Sony than Nintendo hardware?
Well I don't think that suprises any one. The point here though is that while you can just about twist the numbers at the moment to support that, you seem to ignore the fact that the enormous success of Nintendo's own games will only act to increase the userbase more, bring more users and encourage more and more third party software.
The PSP is actually doing quite well at the moment with Monster Hunter and some reasonable numbers for Valkyrie and Initial D (about 1/3 of the console sales for similar games) but with so many games bombing (some on DS also to be fair) you have to ask if the PSP is ever going to have a million seller? There's a VERY slim chance Monster Hunter could get there with some legs and maybe a budget release, but I'm afraid everything is strongly on the DS side at the moment. Unless we suddenly get FF XIII and DQ IX announced for PSP!
Ruud_Luiten
Member
Develop a PSP game 1000.000 Dollar
Develop a NDS game 100.000 Dollar
which one to take?
Both sell about the same......
which one to take?
Develop a NDS game 100.000 Dollar
which one to take?
Both sell about the same......
which one to take?
You're really not 'defending' this issue any better than it is being 'attacked'. We don't know the developemnt costs of any particular PSP title and even if we did [not that they would be an order of magnitude different as implied], they vary greatly between games. Something like Valkyrie Profile will cost significantly less to make than a newly developed RPG. You're also ignoring revenue of sales and the cut that is returned to publishers/developers. A PSP title may sell less, but it usually costs more to buy does it not? (Well the principle holds in Western markets, I'm not entirely sure where Japanese prices are. I'd still guess though that pub/dev returns are higher for PSP software.)
Walter Matthau
Member
Prices aren't very different between DS games and PSP games in Japan. Same goes for hardware.
Walter Matthau
Member
The DSL retails for almost the same price as the PSP in Japan. Some places are charging even more because they can.
Not for 2005/2006... the only reason PSP has somewhat decent totals is from launch rush software, without 2004 releases PSP plummets dramatically (practically in half). It's been a steep decline for PSP 3rd parties actually, where as DS 3rd party sales have been steadily on the rise. Just look at which 3rd party games managed over 85k on either platform...Monorojo said:
DS 2004
-Kimi no Tame Nara Shineru (SEGA)
-Puyo Puyo Fever (SEGA)
DS 2005
-Bokujou Monogatari: Colobocle Station (MMV)
-Pac-Pix (Namco)
-Naruto: Saikyou Ninja Daikesshuu 3 (TOMY)
-Rockman EXE 5 DS: Twin Leaders (Capcom)
-Yu-Gi-Oh! Nightmare Troubadour (Konami)
-Naruto RPG 2: Chidori vs. Rasengan (TOMY)
-Power Pocket Koushien (Konami)
-Gyakuten Saiban: Yomigaeru Gyakuten (Capcom)
-Tamagotchi no PuchiPuchi Omisecchi (Bandai)
-Dragon Ball Z: Bukuu Ressen (Bandai)
-Slime Morimori Dragon Quest 2: Daisensha to Shippo Dan (Square Enix)
-Kouchuu Ouja Mushi King: Greatest Champion e no Michi DS (SEGA)
-Power Pro Kun Pocket 8 (Konami)
DS 2006
-Seiken Densetsu DS: Children of Mana (Square Enix)
PSP 2004
-Mahjong Fight Club (Konami)
-Metal Gear AC!D (Konami)
-Ridge Racers (Namco)
-Shin Sangoku Musou (Koei)
-Eiyuu Densetsu Gagharv Trilogy: Shiroki Majo (Bandai)
-Kotoba no Puzzle Mojipittan Daijiten (Namco)
PSP 2005
-Tales of Eternia (Namco)
-Kahashima Ryuuta Kyouju Kanshuu Nou Chikara Trainer Portable (SEGA)
-World Soccer Winning Eleven 9: Ubiquitous Evolution (Konami)
-Monster Hunter Portable (Capcom)
-Geki Sengoku Musou (Koei)
PSP 2006
-none
...right now, DS is by a wide margin the healthier software market for 3rd parties. No question.
Kobun Heat
Member
get out of here with your "logic" and your "numbers" and "facts" and stuffjarrod said:
this is gaf
Ghengis Cohen
Banned
Thank you. Can you all end this now?ioi said:
Tenkabito bomba!
Tenkabito was in the Famitsu Most Wanted Top 20 for about two months... :S
Last Top
1) Final Fantasy XII---Square Enix---PS2---3.747
2) Bio Hazard 5---Capcom---PS3---1.601
3) Mother 3---Nintendo---GBA---1.489
4) Metal Gear Solid 4---Konami---PS3---1.458
5) Final Fantasy III---Square Enix---DS---848
6) Valkyrie Profile Silmeria---Square Enix---PS2---784
7) Kimi Kiss---Enterbrain---PS2---763
8) Blue Dragon---Microsoft---X360---689
9) Legend of Zelda---Nintendo---GC---622
10) Seiken Densetsu 4---Square Enix---PS2---615
11) Tenkabito---Sega---PS2---593
12) Dragon Quest Yangus---Square Enix---PS2---504
13) Ôkami---Capcom---PS2---482
14) Devil Summoner Kazuhona Rydoh---Atlus---PS2---429
15) Xenosaga Episode III---Namco---PS2---395
16) Seiken Densetsu DS---Square Enix---DS---392
17) Gundam Climax U.C.---Bandai---PS2---366
18) Ace Combat Zero---Namco---PS2---323
19) Gyakuten Saiban 4---Capcom---DS---316
20) Zettaizetsumei Toshi 2---Irem---PS2---314
Tenkabito was in the Famitsu Most Wanted Top 20 for about two months... :S
Last Top
1) Final Fantasy XII---Square Enix---PS2---3.747
2) Bio Hazard 5---Capcom---PS3---1.601
3) Mother 3---Nintendo---GBA---1.489
4) Metal Gear Solid 4---Konami---PS3---1.458
5) Final Fantasy III---Square Enix---DS---848
6) Valkyrie Profile Silmeria---Square Enix---PS2---784
7) Kimi Kiss---Enterbrain---PS2---763
8) Blue Dragon---Microsoft---X360---689
9) Legend of Zelda---Nintendo---GC---622
10) Seiken Densetsu 4---Square Enix---PS2---615
11) Tenkabito---Sega---PS2---593
12) Dragon Quest Yangus---Square Enix---PS2---504
13) Ôkami---Capcom---PS2---482
14) Devil Summoner Kazuhona Rydoh---Atlus---PS2---429
15) Xenosaga Episode III---Namco---PS2---395
16) Seiken Densetsu DS---Square Enix---DS---392
17) Gundam Climax U.C.---Bandai---PS2---366
18) Ace Combat Zero---Namco---PS2---323
19) Gyakuten Saiban 4---Capcom---DS---316
20) Zettaizetsumei Toshi 2---Irem---PS2---314