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Mega Man X4 - Zero Rising
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X4 is definitely my favorite Mega Man X game, and also one of my favorite Saturn games (yeah, I chose the Saturn instead of the Playstation back in the day and I don't regret it). That first time you're on the Stage Select screen, each boss getting highlighted one by one along with a mission description and that awesome Stage Select theme playing in the background, felt epic to me. The presentation and the gameplay just clicked together in a way that no other game in the series has matched in my opinion. And I have to admit back when the game was first released I was a sucker for anime cutscenes in my games, no matter how cheesy! So my nostalgia excuses the awful voice acting and ham-fisted story. I might just have to dig out my Saturn and give this game another go for old time's sake.
This boss has NO I-frames.
So feel free to spam shots as much as you want if you can.
AppleSeason
Member
I played the japanese version first, and when I got the na / pal release... God, I've never been able to get over the awful voice dub and how all the bosses expect for the final stages were missing the combat voices. Even the jet skying segments had the volume levels messed and it was impossible to hear the music.
And the replaced opening music... plainly offensive.
And the replaced opening music... plainly offensive.
Wolf Akela
Member
The Japanese version was my first PS1 game. Coming off straight from NES, the game just blew me away. No lines on the extendable life bar? Switch weapons without going to the menu? Dash? Wall hike? Anime? Voice acting? Enemies aren't named ____ Man? Two part stages? Collectable armor? Saves???? Everything was just a revelation.
I also really liked how the cutscene portraits actually reflect what armor pieces you had.
Japanese names were weird. I still remember them somehow and I think only Split Mushroom had the same name.
I also really liked how the cutscene portraits actually reflect what armor pieces you had.
Japanese names were weird. I still remember them somehow and I think only Split Mushroom had the same name.
Magnet_Man
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LordBaztion
Member
That game was amazing. I remember I played it for the first time with the japanese version and loved the opening song. Some years later, I tried to play the US version and I just skiped the intro. Then, after listening the voice acting I just stopped playing and it is the main reason why I haven't bought it on PS classics.
My favorite game in the X series.
This was the game that made me get a PlayStation instead of an N64 (Yes, I'm THAT big of a Mega Man fan), which was the best decision I made in my gaming life (We could not afford two consoles, it was one or the other).
The music, the graphics, the level design, playing as Zero, the animated cutscenes... You have no idea how much this game blew my mind back in the day, when I first saw it. "A game on a CD!? That's fucking INSANE! You get to play as Zero the whole game?! Look how awesome the graphics look! I NEED a PlayStation, NOW.".
This was the game that made me get a PlayStation instead of an N64 (Yes, I'm THAT big of a Mega Man fan), which was the best decision I made in my gaming life (We could not afford two consoles, it was one or the other).
The music, the graphics, the level design, playing as Zero, the animated cutscenes... You have no idea how much this game blew my mind back in the day, when I first saw it. "A game on a CD!? That's fucking INSANE! You get to play as Zero the whole game?! Look how awesome the graphics look! I NEED a PlayStation, NOW.".
sixteen-bit
Member
enjoyed this game so much, I bought it twice
OhNoDangerItsaPentagonRun
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Whya re you even doing these? This makes it hard for tohers to make their own threads or lttp's or whatever. You also aren't putting much meat in these for a "retrospective.
1. New gameplay style? What?
2. X4 was not a cirtical success and got heavily mixed average reviews.
3. No Repliforce did not revolt to take over the world they specifically said they would make a utopia for reploids and not harm their human creators. Granted that makes final weapon make even less sense but...
4. Actually X also has a pretty involved story seems you have Zero bias here.
5. X has more than just two arm cannons. Also the upwards dash was part of an armor upgrade so it's not "lost" per se.
6. Actually the levels are clearly made with X in mind.
7. Quite the foe? Dragoon isn't really wow...
8. HAHA Usage of themes. What???
1. New gameplay style? What?
2. X4 was not a cirtical success and got heavily mixed average reviews.
3. No Repliforce did not revolt to take over the world they specifically said they would make a utopia for reploids and not harm their human creators. Granted that makes final weapon make even less sense but...
4. Actually X also has a pretty involved story seems you have Zero bias here.
5. X has more than just two arm cannons. Also the upwards dash was part of an armor upgrade so it's not "lost" per se.
6. Actually the levels are clearly made with X in mind.
7. Quite the foe? Dragoon isn't really wow...
8. HAHA Usage of themes. What???
Ignore this guy, OP. Keep doing these threads. They bring back great memories.
You fucking make them then. I spend hours making these retrospectives because I enjoy most of the Mega Man games and then you waltz in saying I do a shit job? Not fair honestly.
I know that my MM4 Retrospective was weak, but I put time into making this one and you know what? Not that knowledgeable on Mega Man compared to Sonic or Ratchet & Clank. But I never had people coming in saying I do shit work for those Retrospectives.
Sorry for my language but I am honestly annoyed with your comment. Do not post in my more future Retrospectives I make going forward please. Thank you for wasting my time.
Edit: Sorry for my language and the MM Retrospective will continue but please, if you guys don't like my work, then don't bother posting for these Retrospectives.
OhNoDangerItsaPentagonRun
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Guy, half your retrospective was wrong in multiple areas, filled with "OMG awesome,", very little detail, and some pictures.
I have nothing against you but uh.. I mean.
Also I never said you did "shit work" where the hell did that come from? Also if you want to make a detailed retrospective of Megaman shouldn't you know more about the series? I mean you just admitted you weren't knowledgeable about it.
That kind of goes against the point of a retrospective. But all I am saying is maybe double check the thread before posting, I'll leave it for now.
Dude you can't just go into other people's threads and complain about the existence of them with language like "Whya re you even doing these?" There are ways to correct people about information that are the least bit polite.
When I become more knowledge on Mega Man, will come back to this Retrospective. Damage is done though, done making these for Mega Man going forward.
CaptainZombie
Member
Just ignore that guy man, you are doing a great job with these. Don't let one person ruin something cool.
Will come back to these later but for now, its on hold for good. Will come back to these most likely next month or early June when college is over and have more time anyway.
Shit, I always love reading these man. I get it. You're passionate about these and then someone shits all over it and you don't wanna do it anymore, but try to power through it and continue making these because I really wanna see what you think about X6. Don't let that one guy ruin it.
Will cover the MM series in the future but not any more. Maybe in June it will start again but again, serious about my choice and stand by it.
Alright then, catch ya later.
Favorite boss fights were Split Mushroom and Storm Owl.
Double and Iris fights are pretty easy. With Double, hug the wall and react, with Iris...I basically just mash buttons because it doesn't matter.
I will say that the General fight with Zero is annoying and takes patience.
Double and Iris fights are pretty easy. With Double, hug the wall and react, with Iris...I basically just mash buttons because it doesn't matter.
I will say that the General fight with Zero is annoying and takes patience.
OhNoDangerItsaPentagonRun
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1. I didn't come and shit on it, I made very valid points and he himself admitted that he was not that knowledgeable about the series here and via PM. Which goes against a retrospective.
2. All I did in my initial post was point out some issue, correcting some of the statements he made and pointing out that there was a lack of meat to the retrospective.
You guys are making it out like I walked in here for no reason when he even admitted he was making these without much knowledge of the series/games.
Will conclude everything now.
A) Don't know a lot about the series but learned a lot about it recently and have been trying hard to do it right.
B) It takes a long time to make these Retrospectives and do my research before making them.
C) Try hard making these and my postive outlook on these is reflective on my enjoyment of these titles.
D) I play and most of the time, BEAT the games before I make the Retrospectives on each title. The only exception to this rule are games I cannot play (like Sonic Lost World Wii U/Boom Wii U and Sonic Shuffle's Retrospectives).
You didn't make me stop making these Retrospectives and I decided to end them on my own. Just pointing that out for people now knowing what is happening without context.
I take great pride in making these and ironically, this retrospective was made after my week break and I still did a bad job. So, it is a good move not making these anymore.
OhNoDangerItsaPentagonRun
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Thanks for clearing that up, and I hope you play more Megaman and give us some amazing retrospectives in your next ones.
I feel that's true for X5 as well and yet X5 is all about Zero. Unless the laser works anyway.
Hero of Legend
Member
Actually, I think I'd be happy to assist in making the Lost World Wii U retrospective.
I offer my assistance as someone who actually managed to collect every single red ring and as a writer at Sonic Stadium.
Can't be right away, but I can hopefully assist with what you need.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Thanks for shitting up a great thread. It's not so much your comments, it's your condescending attitude.
I played the dub first, so its cheesiness holds a special place in my heart, but when I played the JP version years later I was surprised how good it was.
He is talking about Zero. Yes, Zero had a completely new style of gameplay for the Mega Man franchise, one that would become a big part of the franchise moving forward. So RK128's statement is completely accurate.
Wikipedia cites the game as having "generally positive reviews", and I haven't found any evidence to contradict that. If you think thats wrong, you need to actually present some evidence to the contrary.
I'll be fair to RK128 here. The plot for Mega Man X4, like most Mega Man games, is sparse and short on detail. The idea of the Repliforce revolt is correct. It is also really hard to really evaluate the actions that Repliforce takes, since we get only a partial glimpse at what they actually do. Also, General never actually says that they won't harm humans, only that their actions are not motivated by a hatred of humanity.
As someone who has played the Mega Man series my entire childhood, and has a deep familiarity with the entire Mega Man franchise, you are wrong, RK128 is right. X was robbed. They put half the effort into X's story in X4 that they put into Zero's. I am a huge X fan, so the treatment of X bothers me a fair bit.
RK128 was referring to how X gets two different X Buster upgrades in the game: the Plasma Shot and the Stock Buster. This is the only game to have two alternate weapons for the same armor set. Well, I think Maverick Hunter X actually had two different options, but that's a remake made much later. And yes, it is perfectly acceptable to say that an ability is lost if it was in a previous game and not present in the new one. People say stuff like that all the time.
Considering how much the game is built around Zero, his story, and his new moveset, I would be honestly surprised if he was tacked on. The gameplay is perfectly well balanced for both characters. What they are designed for isn't any of the two characters in particular. Rather, they are designed with the idea that you could clear any stage as if it was your first stage. So they had to make it possible to clear the stages with the base abilities of either character.
He gave me a ton of trouble as a kid. Dragoon is definitely the toughest bosses for Zero, because Zero doesn't get a skill that is particularly effective against him. X's Double Cyclone can shut him down easily, but Zero can't interrupt him like that. No matter what though, Magma Dragoon is a flashy and memorable foe who easily stands out as one of the best Mega Man X stage bosses.
He is talking about the usage of fire-themed stages or ice-themed stages. And yes, X4 is really good at turning those themes into fun stages.
Look, if you are going to criticize someone and tell them to stop making posts, maybe you should demonstrate some basic reading comprehension and civility first.
OhNoDangerItsaPentagonRun
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Pointing out some misinformation is shitting and offensive now?
How dare I point out that Repliforce wasn't out to take over the world because that "FACTUALLY" was not the plot OH NO!.
Seriously it's over now, just continue posting about the game. There's nothing to argue. Thank you.
Don't get discouraged RK128.
As a longtime, hardcore Mega Man fan, I appreciate the effort you have been putting into these threads. It has been a great way to talk about the series again, since the Official Community thread has been mostly dead. It is also always cool to see people play games in the series for the first time too. I was really looking forward to your write-ups on the Battle Network and Zero series games.
If you want to take a break, go ahead. I understand getting discouraged and wanting to get some distance from something. However, I want you to know that you have plenty of people who do enjoy your effort in making this retrospective.
Nah, I think that General is actually easier as Zero once you get the hang of fighting him. The trick is to focus on getting to the wall behind him instead of jumping across his arms. If you can get to the wall behind and above him, you can attack his head freely for a while. The main thing you need to watch out for is him rising up, but you can double jump safely over his head to avoid that. It is a very different strategy than with X, but just as viable. I think General will actually die faster to Zero.
OhNoDangerItsaPentagonRun
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Oh great, why.
2. You can learn to use effort. You went to aquick wiki article. ALl you have to do is type in Megaman X4 review on your favorite search engine and you willg et reviews from sites like GS, IGN Etc. Heck, you can even go to gamerankings, which compiles reviews!
3. Really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68HOm7HmkTA REALLY?
4. He implied he had barely any story when he did. Whether you like what they gave you or not is subjective. Heck he even gets an additional boss fight.
5. I know what the arm parts are, but I am getting tired of you saying what he was "really" referring to when he clearly wasn't That whole paragraph started with him listing the details, and all he put for X was two arm canons and nothing else along with an upwards dash, but then gave more detail for Zero. All you had to do is read one sentence above that X statement.
6. Tacked on=/= not exactly made with Zero in mind. We even have comments about boss fights in this very thread about other people. Zero seems to be a character with a decent moveset and execution but bosses, enemies, and some stage design decisions don't seem to work in zeros favor, heck X gets all the hidden routes for goodies.
7. He says "dragon version of Ryu with fireballs and uppercuts making him quite the foe to fight for either character." as if him being like RYu is the reason why he's challenging? Also he threw some hyperbole in there.
8. Yes I had no idea Megaman never had a slippery Ice Level before this game. Or a fire level. He gets the rocks though. Otherwise, not much difference in stage themes from before.
Look if you are gong to criticize someone who is criticizing someone maybe know what you are talking about, look up what you are arguing before trying to fight over the plot, and uh yeah, calm down.
That may be true, once you master the fight, but it's so janky and unfun. You're basically abusing the AI because the fight doesn't really work "as intended" which is a strike right there. The AI/Boss Design abuse you mention is not obvious, and even once you get it down, incredibly unfun. The General is a terrible boss no matter who you play as. Oh, and that's not counting all the slow down and chinging noises. MY EARS!
Then there's Jet Stingray without the double-jump. Ack!
It's been a long time since I've played X5, but if I recall correctly, it wasn't so bad. I think Zero at least had proper weaknesses for the bosses in that game? X4 had something weird going on with Subweapons vs bosses for Zero.
Rapscallion
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It's a good game, probably the last great Mega Man X game. Having the second option to play as Zero did add some well needed length to the franchise, and Zero definitely is the harder of the two characters.
I was just incredibly excited when this game came out, as the graphical leap from the SNES to this game really made the experience all the more exciting to a kid back in the mid 90s.
I was just incredibly excited when this game came out, as the graphical leap from the SNES to this game really made the experience all the more exciting to a kid back in the mid 90s.
OhNoDangerItsaPentagonRun
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Yeah but some bosses were really slow to beat (though that's worse in X6), X5's issue was basically stages were basically build for X and his two armors, which were based on accessing multiple areas of multiple stages. I mean the general easiest Common/Playthrough of X5 is to choose X, have zero lose his buster, have him go crazy, then you "kill" him. Plot wise though it's pretty much mostly Zero.
I'd say Zero is easiest to use in X6 of the PSX games. Although some guys like that Squid guy take 4000 years to beat.
Being slow to beat was common to both X and Zero though.
The bosses are easily the worst parts of X4 and X5 and it's really what prevents them from being great.
Zero didn't even learn attacks from some of the bosses. Two of his "subweapons" were his double jump and air dash.
OhNoDangerItsaPentagonRun
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Nah it was way worse in X6 with Zero, Infinity majillion or whatever his name is took forever with the weakness. I mean like, you were barely hurting him.
I agree though X4 and X5 had some Bosses were weakness or not Boss's either didin't take much damage or they gave you only a small window to hit.
Heck in X5 when you fight the whale, I would almost suggest taking the Ultimate Armor off if you are using it since it goes in to close on him and the spikes are right there,.
I tried to use Ultimate armor only run once with no weapons (oddly the laser worked with no parts, but that was always random) and the Bosses were worse in some areas.
Also I forgot which one but one of the games had it so that if you beat a boss and got it as X you wouldn't have it as Zero even though you could switch between them.
OhNoDangerItsaPentagonRun
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MegaManTrigger
Banned
Jet Stingray is easy to beat even without the double jump, I was able to kill it in a matter of seconds by scaling walls into Kuuenbu and pretty much spam that whenever Stingray switches spots. With X, it's pathetically easy since you can just scale walls into charge shot.
The problem isn't so much the damage soak (though IIRC, how much they tank attacks depends on the countdown timer in relation to your rank), it's the amount of invincibility frames that bosses are given before you're allowed to damage it again. Which is precisely why Zero is OP in X5, his melee attacks are fast and can hit bosses multiple times vs. X losing out on extra damage when he uses the charge shots (especially charge shots with lingering damage effects like the Fourth Armor or Ultimate Armor) or even regular shots for that matter. Even then, I didn't find any of X5's bosses to be particularly frustrating in terms of damage soaking when I had multiple playthroughs as X and Zero.
Gamerankings only had five reviews. Five. Wikipedia cited more than that. Also, those reviews were generally positive.
Seriously, a video link is not a coherent response. Look, that video takes place before the incident at the Sky Lagoon that triggers the Repliforce coup d'etat. And yes, they use the word "coup" constantly in the game, which is clear enough proof that it is a full scale rebellion to usurp control of the world government. The creation of a utopia for reploids is strongly implied to involve full scale war against humanity for control over the Earth.
X doesn't even appear in any animated cutscenes other than the opening and his ending. Most of his cutscenes are dedicated either to setting up the plot as a whole or setting up a single boss fight against a person who isn't even connected to the Repliforce plot. X has no personal connection to any of the events in the game, and has nothing equivalent to Zero's massive backstory flashback. For Zero, X4 is a major turning point in his life. For X, the entire game is filler.
Uh, no that is clearly what he was talking about. This is why I say that you need to work on your reading comprehension.
Nah, Zero can handle every fight in the game just fine. He sometimes requires different strategies than X, but there are just as many places where Zero is better at certain challenges than X is. The only clear advantage X has is his extra defense from the armor, and that doesn't apply if you are going for an unarmored X run.
Hey, it's a cool fight. It's a challenging fight. Are saying that Magma Dragoon isn't hard or isn't a fun fight. You seem to be wanting to mock the OP without actually making any thoughts or statements of your own.
He is obviously talking about the quality of the content, and the unique ways these themes were implemented in this game. Execution matters, and new twists on old ideas are always good to see. It is hardly odd to talk about stuff like that.
Turst me, I've played this game a dozen times over since the year it was released. I know it front and back, and I can tell you where every health tank, sub tank, and weapon upgrade is from memory. I can still tell you the route I created to get the maximum number of upgrades possible before you beat the fourth boss (I had trouble fighting Colonel as a kid). I mostly completed an unarmored X, no boss weapon run of the game too. I can tell you the strategies on how to beat every boss in the game with either character. I'm not an absolute master of the game, but I know it.
Honestly, maybe you should stop nitpicking little details and start paying more attention to the context of the words you are reading. You keep taking single sentences out of context and nitpicking them without understanding where they fit in a paragraph, let alone the rest of the post. Your comprehension of the X4 story seems similarly isolated and disjointed.
I don't know what to say here, I loved all of the boss fights in X4. I even enjoy the fight against General.