too badlix2k3 said:I like to play games like Gears of War and Lost Planet and soon Mass Effect. Games like Zelda TP, while interesting, just don't do my $2,000 HDTV justice.
too badlix2k3 said:I like to play games like Gears of War and Lost Planet and soon Mass Effect. Games like Zelda TP, while interesting, just don't do my $2,000 HDTV justice.
ylvis_ said:Why?
When a kid goes into a store with his father, looking for a console, he see very few licenced movie-to-game titles for the PS3 and 360, but a heck lot for Wii (Happy Feet, Spongebob, Open Season, Ice-Age 2, Chicken Little, Barnyard, Any Bully etc). What console do you think he will choose? I'm not saying all of them are great games and that he for sure are going to pick the Wii, but damn these licenced games actually sell a lot.
And we all know how popular these animated movies are.
Another thing is that 90% of the people here on GAF don't even play these titles, so how can you be against them?
Anyway, it was just an example, nothing more.
Lord have mercy on our brain cells... -_-justchris said:almost all physics calculations have to be treated as particle physics
lix2k3 said:Wow. No, I don't want a console with 1999 graphics to be the most successful. I'm sorry. I like to play games like Gears of War and Lost Planet and soon Mass Effect. Games like Zelda TP, while interesting, just don't do my $2,000 HDTV justice. I hope the console war ends in a 33, 33, 33 percentage pie. I want all of the console manufacturers to keep going. They all have their roles. MS needs Sony for competition and Sony needs MS. Nintendo needs to keep pushing the other two, so that we get titles like Little Big Planet, which btw (IMHO) looks more interesting as a family title than anything Nintendo has out there.
lix2k3 said:Wow. No, I don't want a console with 1999 graphics to be the most successful. I'm sorry. I like to play games like Gears of War and Lost Planet and soon Mass Effect. Games like Zelda TP, while interesting, just don't do my $2,000 HDTV justice.
Actually, animated movie tie in game sales have been horrible on Wii. Worst selling third party titles.ylvis_ said:Why?
When a kid goes into a store with his father, looking for a console, he see very few licenced movie-to-game titles for the PS3 and 360, but a heck lot for Wii (Happy Feet, Spongebob, Open Season, Ice-Age 2, Chicken Little, Barnyard, Any Bully etc). What console do you think he will choose? I'm not saying all of them are great games and that he for sure are going to pick the Wii, but damn these licenced games actually sell a lot.
And we all know how popular these animated movies are.
Another thing is that 90% of the people here on GAF don't even play these titles, so how can you be against them?
Anyway, it was just an example, nothing more.
So doing your $2000 expense is your main concern? Little big planet probably looks very interesting to you but it ain't that good of a family title I'm sure.lix2k3 said:Wow. No, I don't want a console with 1999 graphics to be the most successful. I'm sorry. I like to play games like Gears of War and Lost Planet and soon Mass Effect. Games like Zelda TP, while interesting, just don't do my $2,000 HDTV justice. I hope the console war ends in a 33, 33, 33 percentage pie. I want all of the console manufacturers to keep going. They all have their roles. MS needs Sony for competition and Sony needs MS. Nintendo needs to keep pushing the other two, so that we get titles like Little Big Planet, which btw (IMHO) looks more interesting as a family title than anything Nintendo has out there.
lix2k3 said:Wow. No, I don't want a console with 1999 graphics to be the most successful. I'm sorry. I like to play games like Gears of War and Lost Planet and soon Mass Effect. Games like Zelda TP, while interesting, just don't do my $2,000 HDTV justice.
And that's fine. I'm just saying it's a short-term analysis. Even if 360 and PS3 had also stuck with "1999" graphics (...maybe 1999 high-end PC graphics?), Gears of War, etc. would still have been made eventually--it would just be a one-generation delay. For me, such a delay is worthwhile if it expands the market. For you, it isn't, because you want the high-end games right now.lix2k3 said:Wow. No, I don't want a console with 1999 graphics to be the most successful. I'm sorry. I like to play games like Gears of War and Lost Planet and soon Mass Effect.
lix2k3 said:Wow. No, I don't want a console with 1999 graphics to be the most successful. I'm sorry. I like to play games like Gears of War and Lost Planet and soon Mass Effect. Games like Zelda TP, while interesting, just don't do my $2,000 HDTV justice. I hope the console war ends in a 33, 33, 33 percentage pie. I want all of the console manufacturers to keep going. They all have their roles. MS needs Sony for competition and Sony needs MS. Nintendo needs to keep pushing the other two, so that we get titles like Little Big Planet, which btw (IMHO) looks more interesting as a family title than anything Nintendo has out there.
justchris said:What? No. A 33/33/33 split is disastrous. That means that all 3 systems combined sold right around the same all 3 sold this generation, thus further marginalizing gaming as a pastime, and eventually killing it, in much the way pen & paper gaming has died after the flood caused by White Wolf ran it's course.
One console manufacturer taking 70, 80, even 90 percent of the market does not automatically doom the other players, as long as the a) the market continuously grows in size and b) each player still makes an overall profit. Microsoft already learned their lesson on B last generation. They could sell the same number of 360's as they sold Xboxen, and would be up profitwise, and well placed to continue into the next generation. Sony messed that B bit up, but if they can aggressively cost reduce, they can still pull out a profit by the end of this generation.
And let me say this one again, hopefully to be understood this time, money breeds competition. There are very few major developers/publishers in the gaming market, because the market is small, it's a niche market. Nintendo doesn't want that, and right now, they have the best chance to expand beyond that. Microsoft just doesn't have the development clout for it, and Sony's priced themselves out of it for at least a year, probably 2 or more. Nintendo is ideally placed to capture and hold the mainstream, and drag in enough additional customers that everyone (this includes Microsoft & Sony) makes more money than they dreamed possible last generation. Competition will not disappear just because one company falls by the wayside. If Sony, Microsoft, or even Nintendo were to stop making consoles, do you really, honestly think that companies like IBM, AMD, Apple, Google, or Intel wouldn't look at a market that makes something on the order of $50 billion a year in revenue and go, "Hmmmm....now that (Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft) is gone, there's a good 10% of fat sacks of fat sacks of cash that could be ours, all for the low low price of a custom-fitted, EA sized moneyhat. Well hey, it's not like we couldn't at least do better than Sega."
Seriously, the only reason no one is really making an effort to enter the gaming market is because you have three incredibly huge competitors to deal with. Nintendo, who pretty much reinvented the market the first time it crash, and despite repeated blunders, strong competition, and serious image problems still hasn't stopped making incredible profits. Sony, a multinational, multibillion dollar corporation who, until recently was the King of the gaming industry. And Microsoft, a company with pockets so deep they can practically buy their way into any industry...which is exactly what they did with the Xbox.
I guarantee you, the moment any one of those 3 companies even looks like they're dropping out of the market, companies who would never touch gaming before are going to be looking at a large pile of money just sitting there, waiting for someone to slide in and fill the missing niche.
I don't expect anything like that to happen, but if it does, it isn't going to make competition disappear, in fact, it's likely to generate more.
lix2k3 said:Wow. No, I don't want a console with 1999 graphics to be the most successful. I'm sorry. I like to play games like Gears of War and Lost Planet and soon Mass Effect. Games like Zelda TP, while interesting, just don't do my $2,000 HDTV justice. I hope the console war ends in a 33, 33, 33 percentage pie. I want all of the console manufacturers to keep going. They all have their roles. MS needs Sony for competition and Sony needs MS. Nintendo needs to keep pushing the other two, so that we get titles like Little Big Planet, which btw (IMHO) looks more interesting as a family title than anything Nintendo has out there.
quest said:I am sory but a 33/33/33 is much better for gamers than the 70/15/15. You know what 70% marketshare leads to? Oh ya 599 dollar consoles or in the past the big N controlling content. Who has the billions to enter this market if anyone drops out? It is not a cheap industry to get into and it gets more and more expensive every year. You are talking big money for R&D of hardware the costs are just getting started. Then you have to spend big money to make tools for developers. Then you have to spend even more to buy and fund the start up of game studios for first and second party development. There are no company's out there who can afford to do all this if anyone drops out.
What is happening right now is the best for gamers. If the PS3 continues to tank there is no chance in hell another company will ever try and double prices in 1 generation again.
quest said:I am sory but a 33/33/33 is much better for gamers than the 70/15/15. You know what 70% marketshare leads to? Oh ya 599 dollar consoles or in the past the big N controlling content. Who has the billions to enter this market if anyone drops out? It is not a cheap industry to get into and it gets more and more expensive every year. You are talking big money for R&D of hardware the costs are just getting started. Then you have to spend big money to make tools for developers. Then you have to spend even more to buy and fund the start up of game studios for first and second party development. There are no company's out there who can afford to do all this if anyone drops out.
What is happening right now is the best for gamers. If the PS3 continues to tank there is no chance in hell another company will ever try and double prices in 1 generation again.
lix2k3 said:Wow. No, I don't want a console with 1999 graphics to be the most successful. I'm sorry. I like to play games like Gears of War and Lost Planet and soon Mass Effect. Games like Zelda TP, while interesting, just don't do my $2,000 HDTV justice. I hope the console war ends in a 33, 33, 33 percentage pie. I want all of the console manufacturers to keep going. They all have their roles. MS needs Sony for competition and Sony needs MS. Nintendo needs to keep pushing the other two, so that we get titles like Little Big Planet, which btw (IMHO) looks more interesting as a family title than anything Nintendo has out there.
yup yuplinsivvi said:Nintendo is needed to keep MS and Sony in check, but you don't want it to completely dominate either, perhaps a 50-60% share is about right. If MS and Sony can get 33% share each for this gen, they'll think that they can get away with their current strategy. They'd keep up with their arms race, and that means next gen machines will remain in the price range of $400+. I'm all for advancing technology but at a certain point you have to draw the line. Most people here would pay at least that much for a console, but most casual gamers don't, and a shrinking market is just not good for anyone at all.
Fuzzy said:Is there a point in going through this 45 page thread or is it just full of nothing?
Fuzzy said:Is there a point in going through this 45 page thread or is it just full of nothing?
elostyle said:Actually, animated movie tie in game sales have been horrible on Wii. Worst selling third party titles.
jko said:you know now that i think about it more, i don't think Sony really cares about the situation. they came in during the 90's not expecting to beat the N64, they probably would've been happy just being the 'other' gaming machine...never knew it took the world by storm. as far as i think Sony's concerned, as long as they're in the game, they care less if they're dead last. much like all the other hardware/products Sony produces, as long as they're making money, they won't give a damn.
jko said:you know now that i think about it more, i don't think Sony really cares about the situation. they came in during the 90's not expecting to beat the N64, they probably would've been happy just being the 'other' gaming machine...never knew it took the world by storm. as far as i think Sony's concerned, as long as they're in the game, they care less if they're dead last. much like all the other hardware/products Sony produces, as long as they're making money, they won't give a damn.
and proud.Kafel said:That's why you are a junior.
no really, take a look at last-gen. Nintendo was dead last and guess what, I don't think it bothered them all that much at the end as they were raking in the $$$...not to say they wouldn't mind not being dead last.TheGreatDave said:That's probably my favourite spin of the thread. Sony want to make money, you know? And unless they sell a large number of consoles, they're gonna carry on bleeding.
Kafel said:That's why you are a junior.
jko said:no really, take a look at last-gen. Nintendo was dead last and guess what, I don't think it bothered them all that much at the end as they were raking in the $$$...not to say they wouldn't mind not being dead last.
jko said:no really, take a look at last-gen. Nintendo was dead last and guess what, I don't think it bothered them all that much at the end as they were raking in the $$$...not to say they wouldn't mind not being dead last.
ylvis_ said:I know, it's a little ironic, but I think the reason is because most Wii owners now are either Nintendo fans or hardcore gamers, and they tend to not buy games like Cars and Spongebob
Rancid Mildew said:Or maybe those games have traditionally never sold well. It might even be the fact that those games receive considerably less marketing.
Rancid Mildew said:Or maybe those games have traditionally never sold well. It might even be the fact that those games receive considerably less marketing.
Yes, because bussiness has nothing to do with making money and maximalising profit.jko said:you know now that i think about it more, i don't think Sony really cares about the situation. they came in during the 90's not expecting to beat the N64, they probably would've been happy just being the 'other' gaming machine...never knew it took the world by storm. as far as i think Sony's concerned, as long as they're in the game, they care less if they're dead last. much like all the other hardware/products Sony produces, as long as they're making money, they won't give a damn.
Do you remember all of the Nintendo going third party speculations from not so long ago? Sadly, I think far too many really believe that it's "#1 or d00med". Considering that the group is now facing 3rd place is the same group that so loved spouting off that nonsense in the past, they probably actually do believe in it. In time, they'll be forced to learn better.Vyer said:All of you panicking about 'I want HD graphics to come in first!' would only have legitimate complaints if coming in 2nd (or 3rd) means you fail completely and fade into oblivion.
Nintendo was third last gen...they didn't just disappear.
I still say this 'but if Nintendo comes in first then gaming is DOOMED!!!' talk is a load of BS.
And the 360 software is still doing pretty damn well.
I love the sales pattern of Wii software. The top 10 is filled with the exclusives (or near exclusives) that take advantage of the controller, while the bottom 10 are the licenced crap that shouldn't sell to begin with. There are some exceptions, Activision is doing extremely well, Rampage, Spongebob and Cars are doing decent numbers. Ultimately, I think it just comes down to refferals... when you've got a dozen other OLD movie licenses, plus Wario Ware, Rayman, Elibits, Monkey Balls, and now Sonic... who is going to recommend/pick-up The Ant Bully or Barnyard?Actually, animated movie tie in game sales have been horrible on Wii. Worst selling third party titles.
Fuzzy said:Is there a point in going through this 45 page thread or is it just full of nothing?
Eh, raking in cash where they were market leader (handheld) which saved their ass. Go look up the nintendo stock price history to get the idea.jko said:and proud.
no really, take a look at last-gen. Nintendo was dead last and guess what, I don't think it bothered them all that much at the end as they were raking in the $$$...not to say they wouldn't mind not being dead last.
ylvis_ said:I think there's a Spongebob game on the Cube that has sold over 400k in the US alone
ghstwrld said:Oh, shit. I just saw a pokemon ds commercial on u.s televison. Destruction imminent. Save yourselves.
Well, they stillvasuba said:Yep the Pokebomber is inbound ready to drop the Pokebomb. The GBA will probably finally start to lose steam. Can you imagine DS numbers when the GBA crowd finally switches due to pokemon etc?
vasuba said:Yep the Pokebomber is inbound ready to drop the Pokebomb. The GBA will probably finally start to lose steam. Can you imagine DS numbers when the GBA crowd finally switches due to pokemon etc?
Souldriver said:Well, they stillcan't produce enough DSes to fullfill demand. So - allthough there will be more DSes allocated to USA when the pokebomb drops - I doubt we'll see OMFG-numbers. Which is too bad. I would like to see the DS break sales records.stupid non-risk taking Nintendo
Scary isn't it.vasuba said:I dunno man almost 500K sold in feb with no releases of significant value. I can only imagine it would go well beyond the 500K mark