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NPD Sales Results for August 2015 [PS4 #1 HW/SW, 7M Amiibos LTD, 600K LTD Splatoon]
- Thread starter Nirolak
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At this point, even if the gap was 5 units, Sony won't do much for a price reduction. A friend of mine who used to work at Sony HQ in US was right that Sony was taking a loss in the PS4 sales, but hoped to make it up software sales wise and milking that high pricr as long as possible. Don't expect a price cut anytime soon yet. Sony aren't in desperation mode yet.
People like to talk about these sales duels.
I remembered now Killzone 2 vs. Halo Wars... was so funny...
Sorry, couldn't help it, man. With everyone giving their opinions, I just thought I would give mine too. But I never would have even started the topic.
That was long before I was a member on GAF, so I have no idea what went on, but if it was monthly, it would be just as annoying.
I think you're underestimating the large and growing worldwide sales gap between the consoles.
CosmicQueso
Member
Board chatter is how it always has been and always will be... annoying and, for the most part, stupid.
It'll struggle to be in the top 20, let alone the top 10.
Thebeardofknowledge
Banned
Not at retail only
slavesnyder
Member
You don't think it will be newsworthy for them who did better in the US?
USA 99,9%. Worlwide will be an interesting battle. Uncharted is now a big franchise.
It's kinda funny but it completely derails the thread. What does it have to do "UC4 vs Halo 5 worldwide" with this thread at all?
hodayathink
Member
I think by the time Uncharted 4 comes out, Microsoft will have moved well past stating opening month sales numbers for Halo 5.
CadetMahoney
Member
It's a lot lower than Skylanders, which would be closer to 7 million a month, though they do sell a lot of discounted figures relative to Amiibos.
I clarified the title though.
xaosslug
Member
wot ban?
hodayathink
Member
He intentionally lit the November NPD thread alight by saying there was a 7-10K difference when the actual difference was much larger than that. He got a ban because of it (though I thought it was a temp ban).
What prediction did CBOAT make in regards to this thread
hodayathink
Member
None.
tattooed_dwarf
Member
That seems to be happening a lot in sales threads. Maybe taking those into account won't support their argument.
Edit.Here
xaosslug
Member
what I mean is CBOAT is not currently banned, at least as far as I can tell? I mean you can see his tag, which means he's not banned, right?
Mister Megative
Banned
I'll have to disagree here. I think it's selling great. Had the biggest console launch in history. Worldwide it's sales are closely aligned with the PS2. No, in the U.S. it's not selling 450k in August like the PS2 did at the same point in it's timeframe (I think massive amounts of early adopters are a big reason for that, nor are PS4 sales terrible. They're not at ALL.), but many gamers simply haven't had much of a reason to leave 7th gen behind. I believe that is about to change. With the exception of CoD, this holiday marks the first real season with primarily big current-gen games (Just Cause 3, AC Syndicate, Halo 5, Battlefront, Fallout, Hitman, Rock Band 4, Rainbow Six etc) not available on the PS3/360. There will be a massive amount of people adopting current-gen this holiday, and I expect that to continue into 2016 (which I think will be the peak year for PS4/X1) with Deus Ex, Uncharted 4, SFV, Quantum Break, TLG, Scalebound, Crackdown, FFXV, DOOM, and others we don't know about). I really do expect record sales (and a price cut, temporary or otherwise) for both consoles this holiday season, and I think consumer interest will skyrocket. At the end If you think otherwise, I'm sorry, but you're wrong.
And please, stop comparing PS4/X1 to the Wii. Yes, it sold like hotcakes for awhile, but it also burned out far quicker. As it's been stated before, the Wii was an anomaly and those kinds of sales shouldn't be expected again anytime soon. Nor do they need to be replicated in order for the industry to be considered healthy. CosmicQueso made a very good point back when he said that market contraction has already happened with the loss of much of the Wii audience, which was stuffed with people who wouldn't normally have bought a console and had no need to afterward. And that market contract wasn't a bad thing. What we're left with is the same core audience of both casual and hardcore gamers that's always been there.
I'm no analyst by the way. Certainly not as smart on this stuff as Zhuge or Cosmic. Just my opinion
Nice joke
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
Guyz 3DS pls
Genuinely thought Xbox One would be on top this month, which felt like an unusual prediction for me to be making but it seemed a safe bet. Guess that's a lesson for me not to overestimate the appeal of that console no matter how many bundle deals it pulls out.
Guess it'll take nothing short of a major release like Halo 5 to help it pull ahead at this point.
I can see the next 12 months being rough going for you.
Guess it'll take nothing short of a major release like Halo 5 to help it pull ahead at this point.
I can see the next 12 months being rough going for you.
Thanks for the other examples.
Myself, if I was shopping for either console and had no preference, the PS4 bundles you showed and the one I saw at Gamestop is much more attractive than the
not-so-
Mainly cuz I don't need another TV.
Take that in addition to the momentum PS4 has going on and WoM, and it's not suprising PS4 outsold XB1 in August.
tattooed_dwarf
Member
And that BB deal was very limited. Plus BB is quite small part of market, especially compared to Gamestop.
But all in all, nice sales for both consoles, good for MS to be up YoY. And I don't see need for Sony to make price cut yet since it seems to be selling well with just bundling games.
Agree on all counts.
So, if I paged through this thread and the last results thread correctly:
Code:
3DS 2015 PSP 2009 NDS 2009 3DS 2014
January 74 172 510 97
February 395 199 588 153
March 265 168 563 159
April 116 116 1040 106
May 97 100 633 97
June 124* 163 766 152
July 104 123 539 108
August 77 140 552 91
September 190 524 140
October 174 457 138
November 293 1700 515
December 654 3310 810
Through
August 1252 1181 5191 964
Total 2492 11182 2566Meanwhile the Vita hasn't even sold a quarter of what 3DS sold this year.
Also, PS4 and Xbox One are tracking 45% higher than PS3 and 360 in the same time periods.
I know the PS4 is still winning NPD's, but the numbers still aren't massive. I think it's time for that price drop. PS2 was already $199 this point in its life. Granted the PS4 started out $100 more expensive, but I really feel the $400 price point simply isn't in the impulse range. For sales to really boom I think $299 is probably a better target. The PS4 has the mind share and demand, it just doesn't have the mass consumer friendly price. The Wii did start at $250 after all.
Katana_Strikes
Member
Wasn't there something like 12k sold on the first day or whatever? That's not a small part of the market. That's like potentially a good 10% or more of all XBone sales this month if they did say 20k total. Pretty big for one retailer and that was just for that deal.
Sony have no real need to reduce price in regards to selling better than MS absolutely, but they'll need to if they want to expand their audience and keep the product selling even better. For a top selling console it should be selling better but that launch price is holding them back and has been for several months now.
PapaEmeritus
Member
Super glad for Until Dawn to crack top 10- one of the best games I've played in recent memories, just had a blast playing it.
You know that BB makes up about 10% market share right? So what you're saying further proves the point that the impact of the "deal" was overstated on here.
The PS4 deals were positioned well and frankly I'm surprised the PS4 didn't do a little better this month with all they were giving away across multiple and bigger retailers
Spieler Eins
Member
Good for Rare-replay, hopefully many new players can now also experience their N64 library. Banjo is still great.
Hmm i didn't think any of the PS4 deals were that particularly strong. Nothing worth running to the store for for fear of stock running out.
small44
Member
Halo did well even on the first xbox and there's no way XBONE is going to sell less then XB
I'd rather make less profit per unit and instead sell in larger quantities than the opposite. Increasing your install base at a more rapid rate garners additional leverage in other areas, with picking up exclusives, audience potential, marketing deals and everything else.
Arkham Knight bundle plus another free game sometime Madden16? That's pretty strong in my book. Plus the Walmart deal mentioned earlier was very good.
Again if I didn't already have a PS4 I would have bought one this month.
Is selling amazing by the standard hardcore consoles were suppose to be dead
But yeah... This is not the PS2 era, the console market is not really growing
Do you know they would still make a profit per unit at $299? (the price you stated) I have a feeling it wouldn't. When PS2 was selling for $199 IIRC it was at a loss and in Sony's message to shareholders they have stated they are not taking that approach to console sales anymore.
Regarding picking up exclusives: XB1 while obviously getting outsold and will continue to get outsold, will likely continue to get almost all games that are 1) not funded to some degree by Sony or 2) not likely to sell well to the XB1 install base
Regarding Marketing Deals: THey are still paying for those, not as much as XB1 would have to, but Sony is still giving out money for this
Katana_Strikes
Member
We don't know how many they actually sold though. I just threw that number out there going off supposed 1st day sales. Could be much more, we have no idea. But like I said, that's was just based off one deal. I'm quite sure they would have sold other skus/bundles like Madden and Gears too, meaning that 10% share would be greater. That "small" part of the market meant MS were very close to Sony. Otherwise it would be a different story.
Exactly. For example Sony may have been profitable last holiday season with their terrible deals but they gave up on hundreds of thousands of people that are now buying games on Xbox, buying Live subscriptions and more for the next few years.
I've seen the profit over volume comment more than a dozen times on GAF and I don't think people have been keeping track of Sony's strategy.
Kaz Hirai from 2014 - http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/26/us-sony-restructuring-idUSBREA4P05O20140526
I didn't see Kaz repeat this message yet in 2015, so I'm not sure if they're staying on course. But we can see in 2014 that Playstation was an exception to his go-for-profit mandate for the Sony divisions, and that moving volume was more important.
I do agree that bringing the price down soon is important. Delaying it to next year feels off as we're almost 2 years into the generation.
There's no way to gauge that properly until the price point for the PS4 is remotely comparable. We're comparing the PS4's sales to consoles that were $199 (PS2) and $249 (Wii) respectively, this point in their life cycles. That's a massive price gulf comparative to the PS4 ($399).
Considering WW (which is what Sony is going to consider) and how much PS4 has sold and the profit they made from what they did sell............
I think Sony is very happy with the way things are, again, that is why they aren't cutting the price this year (I'm guessing since the price for the Star Wars bundles were officially announced and it's a November release)