Greenpanda
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NPD Sales Results for December 2006
- Thread starter sonycowboy
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I realize we're well into the territory of semantics, but I think if you'd said the PS3 sold "the vast majority" or "nearly all" or "just about every" unit shipped, or some variation, no one would argue. When you apply a number to that proportion, especially on sales-happy GAF, people want to know the basis. I think most people agree with the sentiment, it's just the quantification of it, which is impossible, that is causing debate.sonycowboy said:
Kung Fu Jedi
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INteresting numbers. There has been a lot of spinning going on here lately, and every fanboy has a different spin (read: excuse) for the performance of their console of choice.
I think it's safe to say that the Wii could have done much better were there more supplies out there, but such is the case when in a luanch mode. It takes time to ramp up production, and clearly there is demand for the product.
PS3 had solid performance, but continued reports, from a wide variety of sources, that they were in stock in a number of places throughout the month are hard to ignore. Personally, I think there is demand for the PS3, but the price is prohibitive, and is keeping a lot of people away. I was at one of the Best Buys in my area last weekend, and there were six of them on the shelf. I have no idea how many they had in from earlier shipments, how long they were there, or anything like that. Just tha they were sitting there, with little attention.
MS has to be pretty happy with the 360's performance in December, and they can thank CliffyB and the gang for helping them out. Clearly Gears is a bonafide hit that is helping to drive hardware sales. The overall library of 360 games isn't hurting it at all, but Gears has given it major buzz, and it's convincing some consumers to grab the 360 that were possibly going to purchase a PS3.
PSP sales and DS sales were great as well. I know the DS was very hard to find leading up to Christmas.
I think it's safe to say that the Wii could have done much better were there more supplies out there, but such is the case when in a luanch mode. It takes time to ramp up production, and clearly there is demand for the product.
PS3 had solid performance, but continued reports, from a wide variety of sources, that they were in stock in a number of places throughout the month are hard to ignore. Personally, I think there is demand for the PS3, but the price is prohibitive, and is keeping a lot of people away. I was at one of the Best Buys in my area last weekend, and there were six of them on the shelf. I have no idea how many they had in from earlier shipments, how long they were there, or anything like that. Just tha they were sitting there, with little attention.
MS has to be pretty happy with the 360's performance in December, and they can thank CliffyB and the gang for helping them out. Clearly Gears is a bonafide hit that is helping to drive hardware sales. The overall library of 360 games isn't hurting it at all, but Gears has given it major buzz, and it's convincing some consumers to grab the 360 that were possibly going to purchase a PS3.
PSP sales and DS sales were great as well. I know the DS was very hard to find leading up to Christmas.
HomerSimpson-Man
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^^^^
Don't forget PS2!!
PS2 gaming for life yo!! Kiss my ass next gen!!
Don't forget PS2!!
PS2 gaming for life yo!! Kiss my ass next gen!!
Kung Fu Jedi
Member
HomerSimpson-Man said:
Oh yeah! The PS2 is amazing. It just keeps on selling. But that seems to be a given.
Pimpbaa
Member
Raw64life said:
Are like most people pirating psp games (or just running emulators on it) or are they just getting it for it's other features? Certainly can't be for the UMD movies. Not dissing the psp, I love mine. But i'm just baffled with the relatively high hardware sales but really low software sales. Anyway, Nintendo probably made a killing worldwide with the Wii, but pissed off a lot of people due to the shortages (worldwide launch bad idea!).
RaidenZR said:
Sorry!?
What are you trying to say? That somehow i would want you to hate the system, meaning as a consequence of that desire that i in turn hate the system?
What are you saying? That i'm a sony hater?
Why you hatin? You come here and insult me by trying to pass a false image of me....shiiit.
:lol at the people claiming victory for MS in NA after their competitors were on the market for 2months and supply and game library constrained...
4.5m
1.1m
700k
Doesn't decide anything after 2 months of competition... From what we know, the Wii and PS3 are selling better than the PS2 did during the same time frame, take it for what it's worth...
4.5m
1.1m
700k
Doesn't decide anything after 2 months of competition... From what we know, the Wii and PS3 are selling better than the PS2 did during the same time frame, take it for what it's worth...
Pimpbaa said:
Probably for other features. The majority of PSP advertising I saw this holiday season was that one commercial where some girl leaves a guy a PSP and he has to use the features on it to find her, which doesn't even mention the fact that it plays games. But yea, PSP software sales on the whole this month don't at all reflect the hardware numbers it put up.
Really, the fact that a new Playstation console is sitting on shelves after selling ~670K units is pretty stunning.
Would anyone have predicted that six months ago? Even after the price announcement, I would have guessed they'd be able to shift at least 2-3 million units before catching up with demand.
I don't know that they even have many cards to play to turn things around. They're going to end up cutting prices a lot sooner than they would like.
Would anyone have predicted that six months ago? Even after the price announcement, I would have guessed they'd be able to shift at least 2-3 million units before catching up with demand.
I don't know that they even have many cards to play to turn things around. They're going to end up cutting prices a lot sooner than they would like.
My Arms Your Hearse
Banned
PS2 continues to amaze.
Honestly you look at Sony's numbers and when you think about it, they all must be partying, laughing + beer & hookers.
I mean, the PS2 is still so strong they don't even need the PS3 to perform more. Even if it takes 2 years for their new baby to take off they shall see no problems...
Also, wow at the PSP sales. I don't know if i was influenced by GAF negativity or was sleeping under a rock but i thought Sony would do ALOT worse than those figures.
I mean, the PS2 is still so strong they don't even need the PS3 to perform more. Even if it takes 2 years for their new baby to take off they shall see no problems...
Also, wow at the PSP sales. I don't know if i was influenced by GAF negativity or was sleeping under a rock but i thought Sony would do ALOT worse than those figures.
Beer Monkey
Member
In December 2002, Xbox sold 1,033,000 with the benefit of the magic $199.99 price point.
OnkelC said:
well, no crow here
i said in the thread where pachter estimated wii > 360 that i just couldn't see wii being that high, maybe they would get ~1.3 for nov + dec combined (which they didn't). i further clarified in the prediction thread shortly before npds were released that analysts' expectations just seemed absurd, given the fact that basically no one ever saw a wii anywhere. if there were truly 1+ million of them sold, someone would have stumbled across one somewhere along the line. sales of 1+ million just didn't jive with day after day of empty shelves.
so i avoided crow.... this month
i've still said a lot about what i expect for 2007, which i will graciously omit from this post since, you know, it isn't really the time or place
sonycowboy
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beermonkey@tehbias said:
Source??
Beer Monkey
Member
sonycowboy said:
Purported compiled NPD numbers that have been posted around here for a good while.
Earliest instance that I could find.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3987270&highlight=1,033,000#post3987270
If quoting years-old numbers that have been posted here before is verboten, I'll stop.
beermonkey@tehbias said:
i think we can't just post numbers we've always posted, we need a "real" source
the closest i can come is this, http://www.gaming-age.com/cgi-bin/specials/special.pl?spec=csection2&pagenum=1, which rounds it to 1 million.
Beer Monkey
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Odysseus said:
Thanks, I'll look for a non-forum source next time.
Just to add more fuel to the fire...so when exactly is the PS3 going to start chewing away at that 360 lead for it to become the world wide leader that everyone's predicting? Japan doesn't seem to be helping it much.
NA+Japan totals are at 1.1 million so far(NPD+Media Create LTD) for the PS3. The 360 did this number in December alone in NA. So in reality, if you count the rest of the world, since the PS3 came out the 360 has been increasing its world-wide lead.
Europe better be as Sony crazy as GAF'ers think. And I mean CRAAAAAAZY. But I'm going to go on a lim here and say that they won't be. I'm going to guess that Europe is going to be even more affected by that price tag, just like NA.
So short of a $300 price drop, if I am right, is there anything in the forseeable future that will happen for the PS3 that could change this trend?
NA+Japan totals are at 1.1 million so far(NPD+Media Create LTD) for the PS3. The 360 did this number in December alone in NA. So in reality, if you count the rest of the world, since the PS3 came out the 360 has been increasing its world-wide lead.
Europe better be as Sony crazy as GAF'ers think. And I mean CRAAAAAAZY. But I'm going to go on a lim here and say that they won't be. I'm going to guess that Europe is going to be even more affected by that price tag, just like NA.
So short of a $300 price drop, if I am right, is there anything in the forseeable future that will happen for the PS3 that could change this trend?
krypt0nian
Banned
sonarrat said:
But that assumes that the 360 stops selling and has no huge 2007 hits coming too. The road to COMPLETE DOMINATION for the PS3 is a long one. MS would have to totally drop the ball in some horrible way IMO.
Odysseus said:
Of course, of course. I am getting ahead of myself. January NPD will be the first month of the true 360 vs PS3 war in NA(Wii is still having shortages so we can't count it) but honestly, if the PS3 only sold close to 700k units out of 1 million available, it's hard to use the supply shortage as an excuse. Although I will give you that it was, especially in some locations, harder to find and especially harder to find than a 360.
So January it is then Odysseus.
PS: Care to place another bet or have you had your fill of living dangerously? jk ;p
Norse
Member
uh, didnt sony just say that their shipped numbers they report are sold to consumers? Doesnt look like its true.
Between NPD and CES I have come to this conclusion. I am glad I have a 360 for games, and a ps3 for blu ray and future ps3 only titles. The movies announced for blu ray at CES are amazing. Hd Dvd let me down. 360 will be a greater success in NA than xbox was, and the ps2 will not have any equals from this group of next gen systems when all is said and done.
Between NPD and CES I have come to this conclusion. I am glad I have a 360 for games, and a ps3 for blu ray and future ps3 only titles. The movies announced for blu ray at CES are amazing. Hd Dvd let me down. 360 will be a greater success in NA than xbox was, and the ps2 will not have any equals from this group of next gen systems when all is said and done.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
OnkelC said:
:lol :lol :lol
I'll take mine well done.
I didn't think Gears would do nearly the numbers it did, especially not over Zelda.jimbo said:
going back to what sonycowboy was saying, it wasn't like ps3 was readily available and collecting dust on shelves in the actual npd reporting period. right now, of course (perhaps not the collecting dust part). sony's statement regarding shipment/sold numbers is about as revealing as microsoft's claim of 10 million. who cares, consider it lip service, and pay attention to what's actually happening. unfortunately, this requires actual data for non-launch, non-holiday months to start coming in.
Norse
Member
Odysseus said:
wait till march...jan is too close to dec when supply low ps3s were hard to find thus making late xmas pickups in january...march will be when everything is on level play field. Maybe feb. Then there are no excuses for anyone. By the way, I personally dont think there will be much difference in ps3 and 360 sales till price cuts hit.