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[harrisk954]

Huge month for PS4 and Xbone HW sales.

Yeah, but if early reports are to be believed, PS4 may have increased its lead over XB1 in the US by 200,000 or more! That is HUGE. Can't wait to see where this thread goes as far as extrapolating the numbers and inevitable leaks....

 

[ryan299]

So these three didn't achieve a November victory. I think it's time for a change, Microsoft.

Can't speak for Gears until 4 comes out next year, but they'll release Halo 6 and then they'll put Halo on the shelf for a while.

 

[AstroNut325]

I would have owned a Smash+Splatoon bundle, but I'm not paying the same price as a PS4 for it.

As far as I'm concerned, Wii U is getting the sales it deserves.

 

[John Wick]

doesn't make sense, if they did, won't it be more logical to pitch it to the PS4? since TR is primarily a PS series

Sheer stupidity and greed. Hopefully it'll bomb thus teaching CD and SE a very valuable lesson

 

[xxracerxx]

Can't speak for Gears until 4 comes out next year, but they'll release Halo 6 and then they'll put Halo on the shelf for a while.

I doubt that very, very much.

 

[shinobi602]

I think it's time for a change, Microsoft.

2016 says hi.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

Tivor is going all in on this thread. Loving it.

 

[Death2494]

They won by less than 300k, they lost last month, December is up for grabs, MS will actually have games next year, it's likely the gap will still be within the same areas it has since it's peak, which was if not mistaken 1.2 million? until Sony actually does something to crush the Xbox one.

They lost last month by only 13k. Besides Cream hasn't provided us with pie yet. I do agree that December is up for grabs but Sony still has Star Wars and the COD bundles. Fallout 4 run better on PS4 also. Also in the grand scheme of things US only represents a little over 32% of PS4s install base, they can afford to lose US. For Microsoft, US represents something closer to 60% so losing US stings alot more. The gap will widen and you would have to completely ignore US sales history to state otherwise.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

Maybe becuase support/deals are stuck based on the strength of a platform in US. Biggest market and by far the most important.

But we're talking closing the US sales gap. Which is a pointless measure when the worldwide gap is a canyon.

 

[allan-bh]

Can't speak for Gears until 4 comes out next year, but they'll release Halo 6 and then they'll put Halo on the shelf for a while.

I think Gears is replacing Halo as biggest Microsoft IP.

 

[Yoday]

Console Wars be damned, both consoles are doing very well and the industry looks healthier than ever. What a great time for the industry and a great time to be a gamer.

Biggest news to me is that NFS charted, and at number 7 to boot. This was a little surprising, but now that I think back it was one of the few sold out games at my Best Buy on Black Friday. I think the game did very well with its Black Friday price drop.

 

[gaming_noob]

Quantum Break will close the gap. You guys just wait.

Said no one. There is such thing as a sore winner.

 

[Tivor Tontomo]

Bullshit




Install base doesn't guarantee sales, and I haven't seen anyone say otherwise. However, it does give you a better chance, which is why you generally see more support for the platforms that sell better. And you gave examples of games that are mostly outliers from what I've seen. Try comparing titles released simultaneously on mutliple platforms and you'll see why install base matters.

The original posters I was replying to, and I think there was another, both said this exact thing you're saying wasn't said. So my suggestion to you it to go back a few pages and read the conversation you are jumping in to.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

If at first you don't succeed...

Can't wait for RotTR to release on PS4 the same day as Destiny 2.

 

[John Wick]

I would have owned a Smash+Splatoon bundle, but I'm not paying the same price as a PS4 for it.

As far as I'm concerned, Wii U is getting the sales it deserves.

The Wii U should be £200 for the
Premium pack and game at most.

 

[opticalmace]

Lol mario argument, what does that have to dow ith anything, wasn't even the best selling game on the gamecube and sold around PSX Crash bandicoot 1 numbers.

Yep, good thing Mario is selling the Wii U am I right?

Good thing paper Mario was the best sellign Jrpg in the PS- oh wait.

Good thing Mario Kart 64 was the best selling racing game during the PSX e- what?

Good thing Mario sport titles always sell well and top the cha- oh wait....

Good thing Halo was already popular and established in the Xbox 1 era- oh wait ti was new, so how the heck can you pretend Halo was a bad comparison in 2-001 to MOH when HALO HAD JUST CAME OUT WITH ITS FIRST GAME!!?

You are using horrible and flawed strawmans.

..but really, maybe tone it down a tad.

 

[outunderthestars]

The Wii U should be £200 for the
Premium pack and game at most.

That terrible gamepad is an albatross around the neck of the platform.

 

[GnawtyDog]

A bit late. Gawd Dayum, healthy month.

Pleasing to see.

 

[ryan299]

I doubt that very, very much.

They're going to have to if the sales continue to trend downward, otherwise they'll completely kill the ip. They're heading in the same direction as Ubi with Assassins. That ip is being run into the ground.

 

[harSon]

CD has been in bed with MS for years .

That's kind of a disingenuous way of putting it. Before the reboot, the Tomb Raider franchise was at an all time low in terms of reception and sales - and Microsoft allowed them to unveil the reboot on stage at one of its press conferences.

 

[Night Angel]

Maybe becuase support/deals are stuck based on the strength of a platform in US. Biggest market and by far the most important.

But that's bullshit. Being number one only in the biggest market (which they aren't) still makes you #2 in the ROTW, where money spends surprisingly similarly to the almighty dollar.

You can't seriously believe that deals are made ignoring the entire rest of the world, can you?

 

[maxiell]

Disappointing for Battlefront. The lack of campaign and having a beta were both mistakes. It will probably make up some ground, but not at $60.

I'm pretty shocked by the PS4 numbers. I think it's hard to say the Uncharted Collection bundle was a bad move at this point. How much more could they even have sold with another game?

Given that the Xbox One deals were actually better last year than this one, it kinda puts 2014's firesale in perspective and explains why Sony won this holiday.

 

[GnawtyDog]

Now we just need hardware numbers.

The bundles break down will be great if we can get them.

 

[stryke]

Didn't they ask for it because SE didn't want to make another? SE said the game underperformed expectations. I never saw anything about them saying we are making another until the deal came out.

Then you didn't look very hard -

http://eu.square-enix.com/en/blog/note-phil-rogers-ceo

I am also excited to reveal that we are well into development on a next-generation Tomb Raider sequel – something you may have heard about recently!

 

[Chobel]

Didn't they ask for it because SE didn't want to make another? SE said the game underperformed expectations. I never saw anything about them saying we are making another until the deal came out.

You don't just request exclusivity and limit your install base unless you need the financial support to ensure the game gets made.

Am I the only one who could possibly see the logic in that?

SE/CD were working on TR sequel in 2013 http://eu.square-enix.com/en/blog/note-phil-rogers-ceo

EDIT: beaten again.

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

VIDEOGAMES: SERIOUS BUSINESS

 

[outunderthestars]

Did we ever get a Fallout 4 number?

 

[John Wick]

They lost last month by only 13k. Besides Cream hasn't provided us with pie yet. I do agree that December is up for grabs but Sony still has Star Wars and the COD bundles. Fallout 4 run better on PS4 also. Also in the grand scheme of things US only represents a little over 32% of PS4s install base, they can afford to lose US. For Microsoft, US represents something closer to 60% so losing US stings alot more. The gap will widen and you would have to completely ignore US sales history to state otherwise.

Also so Sony just had PSX 2015 which sent out free publicity and positive vibe.

 

[Welfare]

SE/CD were working on TR sequel in 2013 http://eu.square-enix.com/en/blog/note-phil-rogers-ceo

Just noticed your new tag.

Hahaha

Oh shit it's one of those tags.

HAHAHAHA

 

[Curufinwe]

Over 5m from last figures.

Can you link me to those figures?

 

[evilr]

2016 says hi.

It does, and all three are releasing in it again.

 

[Tivor Tontomo]

MS spin is becoming increasingly complex.

How is this spin?

 

[v1ncelis]

It rumour is to be believed it was Crystal Dynamics who suggested the exclusivity to SE. If true they got their just desserts!

I heard this one before. Does CD has any history with Xbox?

 

[xxracerxx]

VIDEOGAMES: SERIOUS BUSINESS

Wrong thread to be posting that.

 

[Mory Dunz]

wow, no ones even really asked for Cream yet

 

[CosmicQueso]

Chobel is having a big day.

Tivor, what point are you trying to make? Having a hard time tracking the core argument.

 

[allan-bh]

Did we ever get a Fallout 4 number?

Noy yet, just that is more comparable to Skyrim's 2.7m

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

I really thought Wii U would do better. It seemed like the Smash/Splatoon bundles were actually selling.

They did sell. But Nintendo was smart enough to ship what they thought they could sell and barely any more. They know What to expect from the Wii u by now.

 

[Welfare]

It does, and all three are releasing in it again.

Gears 4 and Forza are a given, but Halo Wars 2 is for a completely different audience.

 

[Javin98]

SE/CD were working on TR sequel in 2013 http://eu.square-enix.com/en/blog/note-phil-rogers-ceo

EDIT: beaten again.

Oh, shit, man, what the hell happened to your tag? XD

 

[kuroshiki]

2016 has Quantum Break, ReCore, Scalebound, plus other announced titles. 2016 looks to be what 2015 should've been, and that's adding all the new IP that should be replacing 7th gen IP's.

that can be said same for Sony's camp too. 2016 looks like a best year Sony has ever seen.

 

[Memento]

I think Gears is replacing Halo as biggest Microsoft IP.

It depends on Gears 4 next year... if it is bad...

 

[Tivor Tontomo]

SFV, Uncharted 4, Ratchet and Clank ... in the first 4 months

I don't see how this negates MS having games in the first half of the year.

 

[jayu26]

SE/CD were working on TR sequel in 2013 http://eu.square-enix.com/en/blog/note-phil-rogers-ceo

EDIT: beaten again.

Congratulations on the new tag.

 

[SneakersSO]

It does, and all three are releasing in it again.

I think thats what he meant.

 

[shwimpy]

wow, no ones even really asked for Cream yet

Who needs actual numbers when everything is either bomba or not bomba?

 

[Jumeira]

But we're talking closing the US sales gap. Which is a pointless measure when the worldwide gap is a canyon.

Holding the mantle in US goes a long way in terms of perception. Your right that it's moot WW, but 360 received more attention than it should have even though it was being destroyed outside of US/UK. Strategically, its important.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

That's kind of a disingenuous way of putting it. Before the reboot, the Tomb Raider franchise was at an all time low in terms of reception and sales - and Microsoft allowed them to unveil the reboot on stage at one of its press conferences.

Weren't Tomb Raider Legend and Anniversary kept of the PS3 for years due to some MS agreement?

 

[Tivor Tontomo]

There's always one in every NPD thread...

Let it go, brother.

You must not be reading because if you did, you would have read the last sentence, and then wouldn't have made this post.

 

[Kyoufu]

I think Gears is replacing Halo as biggest Microsoft IP.

More like joining Halo as another underperforming IP.