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NPD Sales Results for October 2007
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Diatribe1974
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Xeke said:
I hope you're right, because the last console version of Mario that I enjoyed was Mario 64
Eteric Rice
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Xeke said:
Or all the other games coming out.
DRAUGHT IS OVER GUYS! YOU CAN STOP PICKING ON IT NOW. >_>
AndersTheSwede
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Grecco said:
Fixed.
Pureauthor
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Yeah, it's not the best game even then.
mr_bishiuk
Banned
I'm surprised people are suggesting ME will do millions by year end, its a new ip and an action rpg at that + it has an unbelievable amount of competition.
I do think it will candidly beat MP3 though which as far as I'm concerned has bombed (3rd parties will be scared of attempting similar games if Nintendo are struggling).
I reckon 600k in total over the next 2 months for ME.
I do think it will candidly beat MP3 though which as far as I'm concerned has bombed (3rd parties will be scared of attempting similar games if Nintendo are struggling).
I reckon 600k in total over the next 2 months for ME.
The Innocent X
Banned
mr_bishiuk said:
I`m not sure, a LOT of people have said in the past that mass effect was the one game they would buy a 360 for, more so than gears. Maybe its just the ultra hardcore talking, but I think it might puch mass effect towards the 500K mark month 1 (Oh god, I`m going to regret saying that)
grandjedi6
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DaMan121 said:
Except they aren't
mr_bishiuk said:
I think 3rd parties are lucid enough to see that Nintendo mishandled that game. It didn't need a Halo sized advertising campaign, but they could have done so much with it, spider-man 3 style posters of a corrupted Samus, finish-the-fight sort of shit, Alex Proyas directed tvs. Instead it was large posters of that shitty cover art and those awful 'wii would like you to play ads'. They only need to look as far as Red Steel to show that a really successfully advertised game can be a hit on Wii, and that's got to be embarrassing for them.
mr_bishiuk
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The Innocent X said:
When I look at my friends list and see 20/28 people playing COD4 MP I worry if people are going to want a game that is 20+hrs of single player action, when are they going to fit it in? I think cash strapped 360 owners (by which time they are now) might ask it for a Christmas present and play it when its more quiet in the new year, but 500k of sales in a couple of weeks?
mr_bishiuk
Banned
.dmc said:
I disagree, I think it was more a reflection of the Wii audience. Surely every "gamer" knew of and had heard of MP3? it got rave reviews and had plenty of advertising. Before it there had been a dearth of good games for a while on Wii so it had little competition.
Red steel sold well because of the novelty of being able to point a gun and wave a sword imo.
titiklabingapat
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Even in FPS circles, Metroid Prime was always considered too hardcore :lol
I don't think you followed this discussion. It started with someone saying 'I'm worried for Mass Effect.' Which was replied to with, 'lol, 360 games don't bomb.' Which was replied to with ,"PGR4." To which people began making excuses for why it didn't sell well.909er said:
My point wasn't that PGR4 was any type of barometer for ME (that's ridiculous), but that people aren't being consistant with their arguements.
.dmc said:
I still think the problem is that people are legitimately burned out on Metroid Prime. People know it's there, they just don't care.
The second game was already showing serious fatigue in sales, and to top it off was (by most accounts) underwhelming or poor in quality, which will have a diminishing effect on the next itteration.
I know it's hard for some people to accept, but by the time it came around for journey number three, most people just couldn't be bothered. They already "finished the fight" years ago as far as they were concerned, spiderman poster or no.
Let's be real. They pushed through three games in this franchise too quickly and with too little change, and the sales show the results.
Also, not that it needs to be said yet again, but seriously - Red Steel was a launch game. Launch games exist in a different world and time and space than any other games. People really need to stop pointing at that game to prove much of anything beyond the fact that even shitty games can sell in the launch window.
PkunkFury
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Hunahan said:
I think Red Steel proves quite a bit. Not just because of the sales, but also because of the insane hype it was receiving before anyone actually played it. The interest really was there. People want to be able to control a sword with the Wii remote, they want to shoot a gun at the screen, and they want to do it in a big budget production. The problem is that Red Steel did not live up to the hype. People jumped on it when it launched, but as word spread and reviews hit, the game died hard. As a concept it had way more appeal than something like Metroid. If it had been a good game, I think the Wii field would look a bit different today. unfortunately, I think the opposite has happened, and Red Steel is keeping others from trying something similar
you're right about Metroid though. I'm still convinced half the people who bought Prime 1 didn't like it
It's been discussed before, but I think Metroid Prime 3 had a lot going against it that had nothing to do with the advertising. It's kind of a weird series for the casual gamer, hard to define, and the story isn't very coherent for the average person throughout the trilogy. But the weak second entry (in sales or what have you) probably just killed the momentum of this series.
They just dropped the ball with the story. After the second game, how exactly could they sell this trilogy to people? What exactly is ending with the final game? There's a dark Samus now, somehow related to Metroid Prime, which was sort of defeated in the first game. And Metroid Fans already fought an evil Samus in Metroid Fusion (obviously this wasn't a huge deal, but to me sort of suggests how convoluted the story was). I'm not saying the story was bad, but it wasn't something you could sell to people as a trilogy. Metroid Prime 3 was a third game of a series, and it was probably hard enough bring back series fans let alone new people.
They just dropped the ball with the story. After the second game, how exactly could they sell this trilogy to people? What exactly is ending with the final game? There's a dark Samus now, somehow related to Metroid Prime, which was sort of defeated in the first game. And Metroid Fans already fought an evil Samus in Metroid Fusion (obviously this wasn't a huge deal, but to me sort of suggests how convoluted the story was). I'm not saying the story was bad, but it wasn't something you could sell to people as a trilogy. Metroid Prime 3 was a third game of a series, and it was probably hard enough bring back series fans let alone new people.
Nintendo tried the big advertising campaign with Metroid Prime 1 and it didn't do much for sales. Honestly, the series is too hardcore. Look at Bioshock - it has the right audience on the 360, had a big advertising campaign, but probably won't outsell the original prime. Some games just can't make it big.
Version 3.0
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Why do people constantly dog on Metroid Prime's sales? The Prime games sold on par with the rest of the series, and Prime 1 is the best-selling game in the series. It may very well lose that crown to Prime 3 eventually. Sales are fine.
Prime 2 is the weak link there, sales-wise, but that's more the Gamecube and Nintendo's fault than the game's (best of the 3, in my book); Nintendo had driven away the mature and hardcore demographics as best they could by that point. When Prime 1 came out, they still mostly appeared to be trying to throw off the N64's kiddy image. Prime 2 was after kiddy-fied Zelda, the Mario Sunshine ad campaign, and Nintendo's very public anti-online stance. The Cube had been written off as the 3rd-place console (although it might've still been 2nd worldwide), and Prime 2 launched in the shadow of Halo 2's multi-trillion dollar ad campaign.
Metroid sells fine. It's never been, and never will be a mega-hit. It could've done better if Nintendo tried harder to help it, but it's doing as well as anyone should've expected.
Prime 2 is the weak link there, sales-wise, but that's more the Gamecube and Nintendo's fault than the game's (best of the 3, in my book); Nintendo had driven away the mature and hardcore demographics as best they could by that point. When Prime 1 came out, they still mostly appeared to be trying to throw off the N64's kiddy image. Prime 2 was after kiddy-fied Zelda, the Mario Sunshine ad campaign, and Nintendo's very public anti-online stance. The Cube had been written off as the 3rd-place console (although it might've still been 2nd worldwide), and Prime 2 launched in the shadow of Halo 2's multi-trillion dollar ad campaign.
Metroid sells fine. It's never been, and never will be a mega-hit. It could've done better if Nintendo tried harder to help it, but it's doing as well as anyone should've expected.
PkunkFury
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Dragmire said:
yup, my thoughts exactly. putting a number like '3' on a smaller series is enough of a death wish already. Add the fact that there was really no reasone to continue the Prime story in sequence (since it wasn't very compelling as a whole) and they could've just named the title "Metroid: Corruption". keep the plot the same, with Dark Samus and all, the Prime fans will know what's going on, but the people who missed number 2 won't be afraid of skipping to Corruption. The game was very forgiving to people new to the series, but they wouldn't realise it form the title.
I thought Nintendo of all people understood this, seeing as half of the reason "New" Super Mario Bros was such a succes is because it was very well named, and the Zeldas have smartly avoided numerals
Dez said:
It sold 2 million copies, the most of any Metroid. They had an opportunity for a fresh start with MP3 and they wasted it on the fans of the first two games. Look at it this way, I've got three friends (I know, anecdotal, lol) whom have bought Wii's that were PS2 owners. They've bought games like CoD3 + MoH:Vanguard, and they don't give a fuck about Metroid because Nintendo have created fuck all awareness for it. It's people like that that make me think Nintendo really missed the ball on this one.
mr_bishiuk
Banned
Brakara said:
I do agree that COD4 may do 1m in the NPDs but the leaderboards are worldwide though and COD4 must have sold a couple of hundred thousand in the UK alone
mr_bishiuk said:
Maybe I'm overestimating the US market? I'm guessing almost 2/3 of all sales to the US for FPS games. And if the game has already sold 1.5 million (worldwide), then that's a million for the US. Even if it's less, there's still two weeks (including Black Friday) to bring the numbers up.
Whipped Spartan
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So did we ever find out how much VF5 sold?
If you say that 200-300k for Carnival Games is "very well" and 400-500k for Metroid Prime is "bomb," then of course party games are doing better than core games. Frankly I think most third parties would be thrilled if they could get 400-500k sales out of a game similar to Prime on Wii.Kildace said:
Beer Monkey
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botticus said:
If I were an investor, I'd rather bankroll the development of Carnival Games than MP3. Carnival Games should be orders of magnitude more profitable.
That makes me sad for gaming.
DeaconKnowledge
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Ben Sones said:Selling three times as many consoles in October only makes the 360 "pretty good" relative to the PS3? So by that standard, Nintendo's performance must be downright mediocre compared to the 360, right? I mean, the Wii didn't even do double Microsoft's numbers.
The 360's biggest console release of the year (probably of the generation) released a month from this reporting. While the title itself is pushing monster sales, it's clearly not pushing comparable consoles this month. spurred by its flagship title, the 360 should be doing far better, especially if it hopes to keep number one in the States.
The Wii, meanwhile, pushed 519k on the strength of what GAF insists is a shitty library and Guitar Hero III, a title that the 360 sold more of. Pushing those number without a AAA title like Halo is amazing, period.
DeaconKnowledge
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UGh, this again.beermonkey@tehbias said:
No one genre is going to take over gaming. Carnival Games becomes a success, then the market gets flodded with clones that bomb because there is aa superior competitor on the market somewhere, or apathy sets in.
All the success of Carnival games will do is add another type of game to the pool of creation for consoles. and one more game type is something that the industry sorely needs.
dammitmattt
Banned
DeaconKnowledge said:
The typical Wii buyer is picking up the system because it is still somehow the "IT" item one year later. There is no rationality or logic as to why so many families are spending $250+ for something that is a glorified board game to them. Unlike the other systems, Wii sales aren't tied to any particular release and it has essentially sold out since release, so it's not really fair to compare the Wii to the 360. For the most part, they are selling to vastly different audiences.
Of course I think it should be selling better , but compared to the original Xbox and the PS3, the Xbox 360 is performing in the solid "B" range if you were to use a grading scale.
Oh, and Guitar Hero 3 is the very definition of a AAA title. I'm not sure why you would think otherwise...
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
I still find it interesting people are defending MP3 sales.
It's at what, 430k?
People still think this is a success, given the context and environment of what the game needed/was expected to accomplish? And anyone thinking its going to beat the 1.4MM units of Prime 1... really? What makes one think that's even possible at this point?
It's at what, 430k?
People still think this is a success, given the context and environment of what the game needed/was expected to accomplish? And anyone thinking its going to beat the 1.4MM units of Prime 1... really? What makes one think that's even possible at this point?
DeaconKnowledge
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dammitmattt said:
First of all, bullshit. The rationality is that people want the Wii because of the games it has. Guitar Hero 3, Zelda, Metroid Prime, Red Steel, Resident Evil, and others have proved that the Wii is not just a system for casuals. I really can't wait for the day when GAF cuts the bullshit and admits that while the Wii has the casual market sewn up, that's not the only market that has interest in it. It is a system that has appeal for everyone, and like the PS2 before it, the hardware sales are reflecting that. This "It's not fair, they're not comparable" stuff is just pushing goal posts for foolish pride.
Sporsk's first comment was that it wasn't doing so hot unless you compare it to less successful consoles. How is what you just said any different?dammitmattt said:
dammitmattt said:
It most certainly is. The only reason I didn't point to it as a factor for the Wii was because it was a multiplatform title that the 360 has as well.
DeaconKnowledge
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John Harker said:
I wouldn't say 430k in and of itself is "good", but it's certainly in line with the series.
Like many other hardcore franchises, Metroid saw diminishing returns with every release. To be honest, outside of completely changing the gameplay formula to be more accessible, I don't see how Metroid Prime 3 was going to do better.
Metroid is not a franchise that everyone likes, the first Metroid Prime sold purely on hype alone but like someone else said here, half the people that bought it didn't like it because they didn't understand it. Its a very slow game and even a lot of Metroid lovers didn't like it. That the sales went down is only natural.
The Wii is doing historic numbers, and it makes everything else pale in comparison. Looking back, the 360 just did the 4th best October ever for a console (at least, since 2000), behind two for the PS2 and the Wii this month. By any historic measure, doing those numbers in October is very good, especially at the price. (Both of the PS2's came when it was at $200.)DeaconKnowledge said:
Let's not forget that just three months ago the 360 was doing 170k; in the past three it moved 1.2m. The price cut + Halo 3 have had a pretty substantial impact. But the 360 won't be ahead of the Wii again any time soon, which has more to do with the raging success of the Wii than anything else.
Version 3.0
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John Harker said:
Prime 1 crawled to that 1.4 million, if I recall. It didn't do it in a month, nor in two. I don't think it hit a million in its first Christmas.
Prime 3 had a stronger debut than Prime 1 did--in September, vs. Prime 1's late November. That's a good showing. Now it's slowed, but it still has its first Christmas to sell through. It has a perfectly decent chance of outperforming Prime 1.
Randy Lanzarote
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d[-_-]b said:
Total 360 sales were 490k when you include both SKUs (Guitar bundle and game only) so around 58%.