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NPD Sales Results for September 2007
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titiklabingapat
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Thar's like comparing the claims of a university study and a random survey on mall passerbysFuzzy said:Some game companies also use excerpts from Maxim reviews on their advertisements, just saying.
vanguardian1
poor, homeless and tasteless
I would love to see more core games to buy on the wii, but the developers aren't making nearly enough of them.
The only upcoming FPS is Medal of Honor : Heroes 2 which may control well and FINALLY has online, but may or may not be a PSP port graphically. Red Steel 2 is still a no-show.
Not 1 western RPG has been released on the Wii AFAIK, and I haven't heard of any being announced.
No RTS games have been released on the Wii.
All of the big Jrpg's have been announced for PS3 and/or 360.
The only turn-based strategy game is Civilization : Revolutions, which will release about 6 months after the PS3/360/DS versions.
The action/adventure games are the upcoming port of Rygar (ps2 port with a new character model, yay), and the spin-off Soul Calibur Legends.
Call of Duty 3 sold fine on Wii, but COD4 is 360/PS3/PC only. There's never been a Rainbow Six or Ghost Recon game for Wii. Microsoft owns Halo while Sony has Killzone and Socom.
Tecmo isn't gonna put Ninja Gaidan on Wii this generation, and Sony has God of War and now (good-but-too-short) Heavenly Sword to rely on.
Monster Hunter 3 was a suprise, but I wonder if we'll even see it outside of Japan. Tales of Symphonia : Knights of Ratatoskr is both a spin-off and a sequel, while the new big Tales game is on the DS. I'm happy about the new Wii vanillaware game, but it's not a big seller either.
Would someone please tell me how the wii is going to attract to the hardcore when all it can get from 3rd party core-game developers is table scraps?
The only upcoming FPS is Medal of Honor : Heroes 2 which may control well and FINALLY has online, but may or may not be a PSP port graphically. Red Steel 2 is still a no-show.
Not 1 western RPG has been released on the Wii AFAIK, and I haven't heard of any being announced.
No RTS games have been released on the Wii.
All of the big Jrpg's have been announced for PS3 and/or 360.
The only turn-based strategy game is Civilization : Revolutions, which will release about 6 months after the PS3/360/DS versions.
The action/adventure games are the upcoming port of Rygar (ps2 port with a new character model, yay), and the spin-off Soul Calibur Legends.
Call of Duty 3 sold fine on Wii, but COD4 is 360/PS3/PC only. There's never been a Rainbow Six or Ghost Recon game for Wii. Microsoft owns Halo while Sony has Killzone and Socom.
Tecmo isn't gonna put Ninja Gaidan on Wii this generation, and Sony has God of War and now (good-but-too-short) Heavenly Sword to rely on.
Monster Hunter 3 was a suprise, but I wonder if we'll even see it outside of Japan. Tales of Symphonia : Knights of Ratatoskr is both a spin-off and a sequel, while the new big Tales game is on the DS. I'm happy about the new Wii vanillaware game, but it's not a big seller either.
Would someone please tell me how the wii is going to attract to the hardcore when all it can get from 3rd party core-game developers is table scraps?
titiklabingapat
Member
We know that PSP was the lead platform of Medal of Honor 2, at the very least.(it was announced earlier, right? but Itagaki hinted on a possible Ninja Gaiden on the Wii since his kids are asking for it:lol
titiklabingapat
Member
His kids also asked for the DS game, so...Fuzzy said:
vanguardian1
poor, homeless and tasteless
Fuzzy said:
Given the way developers are about the Wii, it's what I'm expecting at this point. ~_~
titiklabingapat
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I knew what you point. I was just pointing out the similarities on more than one occasion(including the possibility that it will indeed be NGS Wii, ported from the DS).Fuzzy said:
vanguardian1 said:
It's truly bizarro land when Sega is perhaps the biggest supporter in decent quality or good games. Capcom and Sega have probably the best track record for the thing so far, though it's not saying much.
I don't think Western developers will ever give the DS or Wii a fair shake. Most western developers are pretty much one note anyhow (sometimes you get the more brilliant guys like Will Wright, Michel Ancel, David Jaffe, and Tim Schafer).
What's interesting for the DS is that western support is just as simple as LucasArts porting over their old SCUMM games. Yet they don't do it.
Bioware is supposedly making stuff for it though, which is perplexing. Aside from the major mindfuck that is Sonic RPG, there was supposedly a Baldur's Gate or Dragon Age game coming to it, wasn't there?
SouthernDragon
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It's a little saddening the effort 3rd parties are putting into the Wii, but there are bright light, even if they don't match the glare of the omnipresent 3rd party MGS4 and FFXIII. Z&W looks to be a treat, Trauma Center is making a case for the Wii. I'm sure there are others I'm leaving out.
Agent Icebeezy said:
This is a broken record, but provide real evidence for your claims of "3rd party isn't selling".
As far as I know, the one SIGNIFICANT disappointment for 3rd parties on Wii is probably Madden. What other examples are there?
Do you think Take Two is pissed that Carnival Games sold over a 100K?
I'll ask this question to everone making the assertion that 3rd party doesn't sell on Wii: What 3rd party games that deserved to sell well have not on the Wii?
It's an incredibly simple question that not one person has seriously answered.
Actually if you look closely at the data instead of your imagination, you'll notice that it moves loads of software.speculawyer said:
It bothers me that "Wii doesn't sell software" has become some sort of established fact when in reality it's complete and utter BS.
Approximately 95% of Halo 3 buyers already own the system or would've bought it this month regardless.gollumsluvslave said:
Exactly my point. Certain sports are great fits for the Wiimote (see Wii Sports) and the market for such games clearly exist.Maxwell House said:
Pureauthor
Member
I don't really think about whether it's a game that 'deserves' to sell, since games that 'deserve' big numbers by our estimation have tanked on every system in the history of videogaming.
I personally believe a more appropriate question would be 'Would the same game have done significantly better on another system?', and then we go from there.
I personally believe a more appropriate question would be 'Would the same game have done significantly better on another system?', and then we go from there.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
What the rest of the year told was that Wii was big. What this month showed was that another system being big didn't come at Wii's expense. Though that would mean a lot more if it weren't supply constrained.AdventureRacing said:
Sold != shipped, even for Wii. He wants shipping information so he can see how sold-out it truly is, so just pointing to sales data and saying "It's sold out, so that's what it shipped." is circular reasoning.titiklabinapat said:
As long as people continue to be happy with GCN like 3rd party software sales for the wii while expect PS2 like 3rd party support, they're going to be mad at third parties.
Remember this is not Japan, we already have a PS2 3rd party software sales system. (Some can argue in Japan we have one too in the DS). Until Wii can show it can challenge the 360, its not going to get the king share of third party support. And yes games like Madden, GH3, NCAA, NBA, Tony Hawk matter a lot just like DBZ, Gundam, Dynasty Warriors matter in Japan. It instills the whole "core video game system" title. WE might hate the Madden crowd (Well I don't since I own like 2 madden games per generation) but they do run the industry.
Right now it looks like
DS = Japan 3rd party king
360 = NA 3rd party king
Eur = For some reason third party ignore them even though they're the 2nd largest market. Probably because its not homogenious like the NA and Japanese market. You got places like that sell nothing but Playstation and PC games while you have places where the 360 is strong then you have places where the Wii is dominate.
Remember this is not Japan, we already have a PS2 3rd party software sales system. (Some can argue in Japan we have one too in the DS). Until Wii can show it can challenge the 360, its not going to get the king share of third party support. And yes games like Madden, GH3, NCAA, NBA, Tony Hawk matter a lot just like DBZ, Gundam, Dynasty Warriors matter in Japan. It instills the whole "core video game system" title. WE might hate the Madden crowd (Well I don't since I own like 2 madden games per generation) but they do run the industry.
Right now it looks like
DS = Japan 3rd party king
360 = NA 3rd party king
Eur = For some reason third party ignore them even though they're the 2nd largest market. Probably because its not homogenious like the NA and Japanese market. You got places like that sell nothing but Playstation and PC games while you have places where the 360 is strong then you have places where the Wii is dominate.
speculawyer
Member
Wii60! Forget about trying to cram CoD4, GRAW, or Rainbow 6 on the Wii. Just make good Nintendo IP games (Smash Bros., Zelda, Mario, etc.)vanguardian1 said:
speculawyer
Member
Huh?legend166 said:
No, it did not bomb. The low-budget shovelware sold 110K copies. It was the #1 3rd-party game for the Wii. It was a success.
Edit: And it continues to sell well.
The Wii is largely a casual & Nintendo IP machine. Just look at pathetic sales of Madden. But there is nothing wrong with it being a casual & Nintendo IP machine. That is why I have one.
Aika'svyse
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Anyone know how much Blue Dragon sold? Going by the posts it must have not done so well.
speculawyer
Member
It is mass gaming . . . but not 'casual gaming' as I use the term. Casual gaming is more like Wii Sports, Wii Play, Bejeweled, Solotaire, etc.. . . simple games that are easy for anyone to pick & up play.Jokeropia said:
What about RE4: Wii and Red Steel? There haven't been that many good core third party games for Wii yet but the ones we've gotten so far have been quite successful. More are on the way, too. (No More Heroes, Umbrella Chronicles, King's Story, VanillaWare game, Fatal Frame 4, FF:CC x2, Shiren, Nights, Kiki Kai World...)
FieryBalrog
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titiklabingapat said:
What you say and what you do are two different things, but even so, even with 1st party hardcore Nintendo titles, the Wii will never replicate the 360 experience without third party support, just as the 360 will never replicate the Wii experience without 1st party Nintendo games.
So basically I don't see them competing for the same crowd.
Jokeropia said:
See again with the low expectations.
PS3? You mean the system that's been practically dead this whole year and is now begging third parties not to abandon them. To make matters worse you're bragging about a game where in the first month the PS3 killed the Wii version.
Honestly if this was suppose to prove your point then Wii's situation is much worse than I thought.
Also for some reason the Madden game crowd's been upgraded since the advent of the Wii/DS.
Before the Madden crowd was the most casual of the console gaming group. Wii on the other hand bought in an even more casual crowd (crowd normally alligned with sodoku/freecell/poker gamers) and the term "casual" has been downgraded to them. There's no real definition for the current madden crowd but I like to call them the "core gamer crowd" since they are the core gaming community, much to the annoyance of the hardcore crowd.
Wow, talk about completely missing the point. Madden is an exception in that it's a game that did relatively well on PS3 and relatively poorly on Wii. I wasn't even the one that brought it up, I just mentioned that even such a game has comparatively good legs on Wii.ccbfan said:
Joust Williams
Member
But it doesn't. The PS3, on 1/3 of the user base, has more than doubled the Wii version's sales.
Maxwell House
Member
Sure, PS3 could get a bigger percentage of GTA IV sales relative to 360 sales because of this delay (because of the very nature of marketshare %s), but 360 will have a bigger gap in absolute number of units sold over the PS3 version as well, which, IMO, is way more important.JoshuaJSlone said:Probably not. As is, X360
EDIT: So just to toss out an example, as things are it's 80% X360 and 20% PS3. If by the time GTA IV comes out X360 has sold another 4 million to PS3's 2 million, the makeup will then be 75% X360 and 25% PS3.
If this delay means 360 sells 3 million copies of GTA IV instead of 2 million while PS3 sells 1 million instead of 600 thousand, then Sony's % share of GTA IV sales goes up from 23% to 33.3%, which sounds much better for press releases. OTOH, 360 number of units sold gap over PS3 goes up from 400 thousand to 1 million, adding 600,000 to the difference, which is what publishers care about (and not PR speak).
Edit: Whoops, I didn't read your edit. Your edit basically says the same thing as my post. :lol
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
thinking about it, its pretty astonishing that 360 with a price drop + halo 3 only got the 360 27k more than the wii this month. and that's with the 360 having a healthy supply everywhere.
vanguardian1
poor, homeless and tasteless
From all of the things I've heard about it, I'm suprised the Wii version of Madden 08 is selling at all, it sounds like something that should still be in beta testing, bigtime.
davepoobond said:
Wii at this point has ascended the current Video game market in NA.
Whether its a fad or not depends on whether it can assimilate its additional users into its original market.
Just like how the PS bought in a brand new type of users hence exploding the market, the Wii can so the same thing.
If the Wii is successful in doing that we could see 150-200 million selling consoles.
pooteeweet
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davepoobond said:
Wii is still tracking above any console in history, is it not? Even with a price drop 360 still sells on average for $100 more than Wii. I don't think outselling the best-selling console in history at a price premium is anything to sneeze at.
BUCKFUSH187
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The threads name is wrong. The 360 Kicked ass, and Stle Nintendos Spot.