PhantomHound
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You guys know that tipping isn't mandatory right?
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NYT: $3 Tip on a $4 Cup of Coffee? Gratuities Grow, Automatically
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jamesinclair
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In the US, delivery people use their own vehicle, not a company motorcycle or car.
Their gas, their maintenance, their insurance, their depreciation.
So in the US youre not tipping for the interaction, youre tipping for those costs.
And yes, its BS that the law doesnt require the company to cover them.
Meanwhile, the UPS or mailman are using a company vehicle.
Zen_Arcade
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You can only feel shame if you allow yourself to feel shame. I've opted out of tips because of bad service before. I'm not going to feel bad for it because a stranger thinks I should. If you go to a place and get worse service because the staff is shitty and you don't tip because of it, then you should just stop going to that establishment. If they have bad service I don't know why you'd want to go back in the first place. And if everyone just stopped going to places with bad service instead of being chickenshits about it and tipping when the terrible staff doesn't deserve it, then these shitty restaurants would get weeded out naturally.
E the Shaggy
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Do I need to tip a place if someone isn't bringing me my food/doesn't have waiters? I feel like so many places that serve food all have a line for tips on the receipt now, barring fast food joints.
theusedversion
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How about we all just band together and stop tipping to make tipping go away?
My exact response to that passage.
Aquamarine
Member
No. If i have to stand and pick up food / drinks, you're getting $0 explicitly written out in the tip line on the receipt.
How can I be expected to cover that, not knowing those costs or even that fact? Well, that's upsetting to learn. It's very upsetting that things are like this, though. I thought tip was for the service, not implied covering some poor guy's cost.
Freedom = $1.05
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I don't mind tipping, but i've noticed restaurants have shifted the 3 tipping tiers that show up on receipts from 15->18->20% to 18->20->22%. I often go for 18% and, seeing as that sits in the middle of the old scale, I've often accidentally given a 20% tip when meaning to only leave 18%. I think that shit's shady as fuck and taking advantage of folks who are groggy and have had a glass or two during their meal and not noticing the change.
Zen_Arcade
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The whole point of UPS is to deliver you packages. They don't deserve a tip just because they do what their company is based around doing and nothing more. A tip is there for added service, and a UPS guy delivering your package gives you no extra services from their company. The whole point of a pizza place is to make pizza.
The delivery option is just that, an option. An added service for convenience that you can choose to take or not take. Choosing the option of delivery leads to an assumed tip because bringing the pizza to your house is an added service. If you don't want to take that option and don't want to pay a tip, you can still walk into the pizza place and pick it up yourself with no tip assumed.
It's not the same thing. It's like asking why people should pay more for first class on an airplane. It costs more because they provide you more services then in coach. If you don't want to pay the extra costs, don't buy a first class ticket. If you don't want to pay a tip for your pizza, stop complaining that people ask for extra money for bringing the food across town to you and get in your car and pick it up yourself.
styl3s
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I gave my UPS guy a tip he will never forget and that's don't throw a $3000 tv onto someones porch unless you want to be jobless.
Also, comparing a postal like service to a pizza delivery is just insane to me, especially considering the pay and benefit differences.
jamesinclair
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Yes if people dont tip on food delivery in the US, the delivery person actually ends up poorer at the end of the night than at the start, especially when gas prices are high.
And it is absolute bullshit. Its like expecting a waitress to stock her own napkins or something. But dont let any business owners in on that thought or theyll probably try it.
Whats worse is that the big pizza chains have added a delivery fee....but that also doesnt go to cover these costs! The chains pocket the money!
whatsinaname
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That is Square's tip page. There is a big difference in the customer/cashier interaction when the store moves from a standard tip jar to this kind of prompt at a payment screen. In the first case it seems like an option where you can add a tip if you think they provided additional service. In the second case you have to explicitly state at each transaction that you don't want to tip.
And also notice that the tip is calculated post tax. Even websites like Grubhub seem to calculate the tip percentage on the total, which includes a sometimes large delivery fee already.
PassiveObserver
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To be fair, making espresso drinks/pour overs isn't the same as pouring out a cup of drip coffee, but I do perceive the turning around of the iPad as an aggressive act.
I have never tipped at a coffee shop and I never will, even though the Starbucks app now bugs you about it. Trying to guilt you into tipping. Even after you have left the store, there is a notification on your phone for at least 60 minutes to let you know you can tip -- even after you are long gone!
Azzurri
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I never sit, it's always to go
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
Hahahahaha
fucking LOL
it's people like this who have allowed stupid shit like tipping at a coffee/bakery shop to become a thing that businesses do
ShooterMcGavin
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I seriously didn't know tipping at coffee shops was a thing until I downloaded the Starbucks app. Seems weird, but more power to people who do it. I certainly can't afford to do that every day.
I like your sentiment, and I agree.
There are TONS of places using those iPad registers now and every single one I've seen, sans retail stores, try to get you to tip. Doesn't matter what they are serving.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
The upfront nature of paying for coffee makes this even worse. Now I'm show you gratitude before get my product and experience it?
Allforce
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When I was in high school in the 90's I was a bagboy at a grocery store where we would take each customer's cart out and put the bags in their car. I got a few tips offered for that but never accepted them.
I don't think any grocery stores do this anymore do they? This was like a defacto thing all my life growing up even at the huge grocery chains like Kroger but I don't think I've been to a store that does this in the last 15 years.
Except study after study has proven that is not how it works, despite expectations.
People tip on many factors and service is not even at the top of the list of reasons that dictate how much is tipped. Is it fair that the pretty waitress makes a lot more tips than the non pretty one that tries a lot harder? Too bad, that's tipping culture.
ShooterMcGavin
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I remember explicitly being told I was not allowed to accept tips when I was a bag boy. Bad times...
Hari Seldon
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There is no fucking way I'm ever tipping someone who just pours me a coffee or a beer.
Aquamarine
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A couple of weeks ago I tried to buy cupcakes at a store with an iPad register. The girl swiveled around the iPad so I can enter the tip, and before I could finish hitting "Other" and then "No tip," the cupcakes were already boxed and ready to go, lol
Freedom = $1.05
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good luck with that and not being treated like shit by every bartender in the area once they know youre a stingy drinker. That next time you go for a drink, be prepared to wait a longggggggggggggggggggggggggg ass time.
Tawney Bomb
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Selecting no tip, or writing in no tip in front of someone feels awkward at first, but you grow to enjoy it after a while.
I still tip waitresses and waiters and delivery guys, but if someone just poured me some coffee, nope.
I still tip waitresses and waiters and delivery guys, but if someone just poured me some coffee, nope.
I don't want to make this into a tipping horror story thread... but i've been guilted into tipping at stores before.
There is this cafe I really like, independent joint, and the lady at the register one time said to me "no tip?" and I didn't really know what to say, i just kind of looked at her blankly for a brief moment, then she said "maybe next time."
Maybe not!
I mean damn, all I had was a pastry.
As an american i just really wish we could do away with it. removes a lot of awkwardness from my already awkward life
As if going out to bars and clubs to buy overpriced alcohol is such a critical part of our lives.
That's more a self preservation tip for me. Leave fat tip on first few drinks and I get great prioritized service the rest of the night and "free" drinks as the night wears on. It's a lifesaver when you're at a busy bar.
It is interesting where the tip line is drawn now though. Am I supposed to tip for take out food? I never do since I'm just picking food up but there's always a "tip" option on the receipts so maybe it's expected? I'm on Long Island so I'm already spending like $25+ on the dinner anyway so i feel like I'm already paying a decent chunk, but then again what's another few bucks on top of it. I also never tip at coffee places but I also usually only go to Starbucks and they pay their employees well and give them good benefits so I don't feel as bad.
I'm usually on the other side of this "debate" in tip threads because I tip too much usually at restaurants but it is getting to the point of like where does this tipping creep end? What service is considered tip worthy, it sucks because in the end its really just saving owners of these establishments from having to pay their employees more.
jamesinclair
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I think they do in rich areas.
I remember the Winn Dixie in a fancy area did this, and they also had giant signs saying not to tip.
I would have said "No extra free pastries?"I don't want to make this into a tipping horror story thread... but i've been guilted into tipping at stores before.
There is this cafe I really like, independent joint, and the lady at the register one time said to me "no tip?" and I didn't really know what to say, i just kind of looked at her blankly for a brief moment, then she said "maybe next time."
Maybe not!
I mean damn, all I had was a pastry.
As an american i just really wish we could do away with it. removes a lot of awkwardness from my already awkward life
Freedom = $1.05
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It's not if you don't enjoy going out at night with friends, maybe going on dates, or just having a drink to yourself and small talking with bar folks.
I mean, who likes dating and going out with friends?
Not only are more places giving preset options, but those options are typically based on after tax, which is BS too.
I thought tipping used to be a "good job, here's a little something." Now it's turned into "I have to tip or else I look bad, or they won't be able to eat" type of situation.
I thought tipping used to be a "good job, here's a little something." Now it's turned into "I have to tip or else I look bad, or they won't be able to eat" type of situation.
Hari Seldon
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I'm in my mid 30s and never had a problem in my life. I tip servers who bring beer to my table, but I don't tip if I have to actually walk to the bar.
Are you saying if going out to bars and clubs and overpaying for alcohol isn't a critical part of your life, then you don't like dates or going out with friends?
delivery guy puts his life on the line by delivering your pizza
GameGuru59
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I always tip 25% because I used to be a waiter and know what it's like. If you don't want to pay tips, either vote to raise the minimum wage for service workers or advocate for the mincome. The struggle is real out here.
Chittagong
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America is weird with all the tipping. I was skiing yesterday at Big Bear mountain and was wondering whether I should tip the guy handing us the ski lift.
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