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NYT: $3 Tip on a $4 Cup of Coffee? Gratuities Grow, Automatically
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maybe they're like me and don't carry much physical cash around anymore
It is and it isn't and many people don't understand how it should work especially with social pressure. If you pick the item up yourself, you don't tip and shouldn't because it re-enforces a bad expectation. If you have someone who "cares" for you like a waitress, salon or other sort of service then that expectation is there. In actual tipping scenarios it's not strictly required but it's socially required which is effectively the same thing.
Dreamgazer
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Slim wallets is the trend these days.
That is Square's tip page. There is a big difference in the customer/cashier interaction when the store moves from a standard tip jar to this kind of prompt at a payment screen. In the first case it seems like an option where you can add a tip if you think they provided additional service. In the second case you have to explicitly state at each transaction that you don't want to tip.
And also notice that the tip is calculated post tax. Even websites like Grubhub seem to calculate the tip percentage on the total, which includes a sometimes large delivery fee already.
Yea, I've gotten shamed into tipping for takeout food. The cashier swipes the card and then physically swivels the iPad to you staring at you like an eagle.
John Kowalski
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hehe
Threatened?
Risible
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I waited tables through college so I know it can be a shit job. This idea lately that now everyone should be tipped is asinine.
A few months ago a buddy and me went to a diner here in NY. The service was meh bordering on shitty, but we left $3 on a $20 bill. The guy had the balls to come out after us with the $3 in hand and ask if the service wasn't good enough because we had tipped so low.
I said "Oh sorry, give me that and let me see what else I can do", took the three dollars, put it in my wallet, put the wallet back in my pocket and the two of us walked away while he said some very bad words to us. Fuck that. I don't tip just because you showed up for your fucking job, I expect you to actually do it.
A few months ago a buddy and me went to a diner here in NY. The service was meh bordering on shitty, but we left $3 on a $20 bill. The guy had the balls to come out after us with the $3 in hand and ask if the service wasn't good enough because we had tipped so low.
I said "Oh sorry, give me that and let me see what else I can do", took the three dollars, put it in my wallet, put the wallet back in my pocket and the two of us walked away while he said some very bad words to us. Fuck that. I don't tip just because you showed up for your fucking job, I expect you to actually do it.
into tipping, yea.
Guilt-tripped isn't threatened.
I'll go one step further, remove the tip exemption and paying waiters the standard minimum wage. But make the full wage comes from the restaurant, and not the customers. Earning tips would just be gravy.
BTW, the spread of waiter minimum wage is all over the place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage_in_the_United_States
they're threatened by guilt.
Apparently a lot of people feel any service provided to another human guarantees them a tip. You still do get a wage for your job? If it's not high enough to pay bills, live comfortably, that's life. How is pushing the burden onto your fellow citizens any better as opposed to getting large corporations to pay proper wages?
I only tip if some exemplary service was provided to me. If someone waited on my table, if someone packed and delivered food to my door, carried my heavy luggage to my door. Why would I tip someone to pour me a cup of coffee? Or drive me 3 blocks in a cab? I'm so glad tipping culture in Canada is far more relaxed and nowhere near the norm of America. Plus, our wages are a bit more decent.
I only tip if some exemplary service was provided to me. If someone waited on my table, if someone packed and delivered food to my door, carried my heavy luggage to my door. Why would I tip someone to pour me a cup of coffee? Or drive me 3 blocks in a cab? I'm so glad tipping culture in Canada is far more relaxed and nowhere near the norm of America. Plus, our wages are a bit more decent.
Tinfoilhatsron
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So a child threatens her parents when she gives them puppy dog eyes?
Yes, it is. I do not see how someone turning an iPad towards you or handing a receipt for you to sign is any different.
I have never once tipped someone who just makes me coffee. Especially when coffee is so over priced.
Of course not. Tipping is only "mandatory" when the employee earns their wages through tips.
Cybrwzrd
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sure.
The delivery driver is not given that delivery fee, and chances are he's using his own car and his own gas, as I understand it.
Seems someone already mentioned this, but it's really a shitty thing. It essentially means the employer is placing his job onto the customers.
Well, have fun using a word in a way that nobody else uses it. I personally don't get the humor of the shtick.
Seductivpancakes
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I only get Starbucks and I'm glad they don't ask for any tips.
opticalmace
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Funnily enough I'd actually consider tipping the bag boy. Not the cashier though.
i'm using it in a..common way. 'if you don't tip i'll make you feel guilty'
BreezyLimbo
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I once had subpar service at Applebees. So I did the impossible, ripped a dollar in half, then placed it in the check folder or whatever they hand you in a way that looked like I was tipping $2. It was worth it.
cuevas. PhD.
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How hot is the waitress? That always helps getting better tips
perfectchaos007
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Yeah I had my first experience with a pre-service tip recently. I'm fine with paying a tip after the service, but being pressured to give a 20%-30% tip before my drink/food has been served to me was uncomfortable. The spirit of tipping is to reward the server for good service, but overtime the tip became expected no matter how bad or good the service. Now that they are asking for tips before the service, its as if they have completely given up on the facade that tips reward good service. All it is, is an added tax.
And if you don't pay this tax pre-service, you may get some free saliva in your coffee complements of your barista.
And if you don't pay this tax pre-service, you may get some free saliva in your coffee complements of your barista.
migh_and_highty
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I wouldn't tip on a cup of coffee unless it was the best coffee ever
Amazing. I'm stealing this if the situation ever comes up
I only tip when I called for pizza delivery and that's it.
Why not? That's what I always do even for $1. I dont bring cash with me.
And you're the only one saying it.
People, the real question should be why tipping is restricted to such small subset of services! We all know the arguments for tipping: Incentives better service, helps low wage-server providers and empowers the costumers, so is only logical that tipping should be extended further.
The following is a (by no means exhaustive) list of service based industries are in dire need of the good ol' American tipping.
College Professors.
Did you know that more than 75% of College professors are low-paid adjuncts? And if they aren't chances are that they are paid by for their publications/research, not giving you classes. Did you ever had a professor that didn't gave a s**t? The reason is clear, no enough incentive. A tipping culture in academia is sure to give power back to the students.
Just imagine, a group of 50+ students, each tipping $5-25 per lecture is not chump change even for a tenured researcher. My suggested rate is $5 for a bad lecture and $25 for an outstanding one. Of course, another option is tipping based on a percentage of your tuition, with 20% as base.
Also, tipping shouldn't be anonymous, that's crazy talk, how else will the professor know who to give a better service?
Physicians and Hospitals.
Now, I know that doctors aren't exactly lowly payed, but have you ever waited long hours on an emergency room? Inflexible consultation hours? When you have a medical emergency, or you have a limited number of insurance-covered practitioners, you don't have much choice anyway. Tipping will give power back to you, the consumer. My suggested rate is 10% for a bad service and 30% for an outstanding one.
Telecom companies.
We all know that telecom companies got us by the balls, but when they charge us a flat rate, what incentive do they have to give us good service? Ever had to deal with lackluster costumer service? John at the other end of the technical assistant line is getting minimum wage if he's lucky. Again, the answer is obvious: tipping. My suggested rate is the same as above.
The following is a (by no means exhaustive) list of service based industries are in dire need of the good ol' American tipping.
College Professors.
Did you know that more than 75% of College professors are low-paid adjuncts? And if they aren't chances are that they are paid by for their publications/research, not giving you classes. Did you ever had a professor that didn't gave a s**t? The reason is clear, no enough incentive. A tipping culture in academia is sure to give power back to the students.
Just imagine, a group of 50+ students, each tipping $5-25 per lecture is not chump change even for a tenured researcher. My suggested rate is $5 for a bad lecture and $25 for an outstanding one. Of course, another option is tipping based on a percentage of your tuition, with 20% as base.
Also, tipping shouldn't be anonymous, that's crazy talk, how else will the professor know who to give a better service?
Physicians and Hospitals.
Now, I know that doctors aren't exactly lowly payed, but have you ever waited long hours on an emergency room? Inflexible consultation hours? When you have a medical emergency, or you have a limited number of insurance-covered practitioners, you don't have much choice anyway. Tipping will give power back to you, the consumer. My suggested rate is 10% for a bad service and 30% for an outstanding one.
Telecom companies.
We all know that telecom companies got us by the balls, but when they charge us a flat rate, what incentive do they have to give us good service? Ever had to deal with lackluster costumer service? John at the other end of the technical assistant line is getting minimum wage if he's lucky. Again, the answer is obvious: tipping. My suggested rate is the same as above.
soul creator
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First class on an airplane is a (relatively) clearly defined charge up front, not something the flight attendant springs on you after you've already gotten on the plane.
The thing people seem to misunderstand in these threads is that people don't have problems with paying for clearly defined, extra services. What people have problems with are confusion and arbitrary charges that depend on vague, undefined things like "tradition", or where you happen to have been raised. If it takes $5 to cover the cost of delivering a pizza, then just charge $5 extra for delivering a pizza, and mention that at the time the service is requested. Don't charge a $2 "delivery fee", and then get pissed off at the customer for not knowing that a delivery fee isn't actually a fee for delivery.
He's getting a salary though which I assume has to be possible due to the delivery fees.
Tipping for restaurants is a thing because waiters get paid BELOW minimum due to the ability to get tips. Tipping the delivery guy, or coffee guy, or whoever else that gets paid a normal wage ... Are we doing it because we feel bad? We feel guilty that they actually have this type of job so we pay them extra? All these automatic tipping machines just take advantage of how blurry that line is by passively pressuring tips, and subtly implying shitty service if you don't
I bet people tip more than give that "dollar to fight cancer" addition to your grocery bill just cuz of the implied tip pressure. Absolutely ridiculous
Thick James
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Meanwhile, in Alternate Earth Dimension #45-B Neogaf:
Flubyren D'muhalik said:
Pizza delivery drivers in America don't get "salary." We get hourly and its only 4 bucks an hour, half of minimum wage. The coffee guy probably gets 8-12 bucks an hour depending on the area, and that's why we tip delivery drivers and not coffee shop workers.
ConradCervantes
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Where I work we just have this tiny plastic cube set out with stamps all over it, not overtly in front of the customer's face but visible. If they feel like tipping for a two-dollar coffee, cool. If not, no skin off my ass. It's not the greatest paying job in the world, but tips are in no way a necessity for me. Hell, since I started there I just use the extra cash as spending/weed money.
BladeoftheImmortal
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I was told not to accept tips when I worked at winn Dixie, but I did anyways.
Flintty
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UK Gaffer here. I visited the US for a work training course in May 2012 and was forewarned about the tipping expectations. I was advised that 10% was fair. In honesty, the idea of being expects to tip is obscene, no matter how you spin it. I stuck with 10% because it was easy to calculate quickly but I only did it when I thought it was deserved.
The worst one was when I went sight seeing in DC. As soon as I got out of the Metro I was accosted by a man with a map who kindly gave me it and kept trying to tell me where to go, despite me trying to get away from him to explore freely. He then asked me for some cash, of which I had none at the time and he proper guilted me! Fuck paying for a map I could have picked up for free. His tone totally changed when I told him I had no shrapnel "You gotta get yourself some dough, man!". I thought he was gonna stab me.
The worst one was when I went sight seeing in DC. As soon as I got out of the Metro I was accosted by a man with a map who kindly gave me it and kept trying to tell me where to go, despite me trying to get away from him to explore freely. He then asked me for some cash, of which I had none at the time and he proper guilted me! Fuck paying for a map I could have picked up for free. His tone totally changed when I told him I had no shrapnel "You gotta get yourself some dough, man!". I thought he was gonna stab me.
GoldenEye 007
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This actually seems pretty reasonable?
And as for the rest. These cashiers can give me whatever look they want. They're not getting a tip approaching anywhere near what is in the OP. lol.... get the fuck out of here.
Freedom = $1.05
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So you walking to the bar negates tipping the bartender? You're going to have to come up with better reasoning than that. Do you also penalize the server because a hostess made you take too many steps to get to your table?
You can have a completely functional and enjoyable life not going out to clubs or to bars. But you should tip your bartender or server when you do go out. They're working on a terrible wage and the tips offset that.
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