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[Tom Warren] The next Xbox is going to be very different
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Topher
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That's why I'm leary of their claim
midnightAI
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You'll get a regular console
Hybrid PC was assuming that the next Xbox wouldn't have been a traditional set-top console.
Punished Miku
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The most consequential element of their rumored plan is forward compatibility, and the full emulation layer that's rumored because after that is part of Windows or Windows Lite, hardware is mostly a distant second as a concern. You'd just pick whichever box or handheld is the price and specs you want and it loads up the same system UI and stores and works with whatever controller you want. All that really even matters is their Windows / Xbox / BC software project. Any comparatively small company can sell hardware without subsidy like you see with handhelds and PC, so that is a much more trivial part of this for MS.
Crayon
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The only reason I can think of to go that way is to keep legacy customers from revolting. Even ween them off to general pc gaming. They've been good about keeping up infrastructure for older stuff so killing all xbox overnite would be pretty rough.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Microsoft has killed off tons of shit overnight. The idea that they would invest hundreds of millions of dollars to make a console with the idea of trying to get people to not play games on it but instead transition to another, different, but sort of related platform is bananas.
Dr_Ifto
Member
if they can actually make the streaming stick work, i think they have a real possibility of a killer product. Just my opinion. But they should release a beefy console running windows, and an xbox branded handheld pc, along with the streaming stick, they could potentially have a killer set up going.
I believe they will do something dramatic.
They moved most of their software to other devices which means they don't have much of a user-base to lose so they kinda have free range on what this device can be spec wise.
Crayon
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When has that stopped them? The idea of training that same base to rent games after all the concern over "digital libraries" was bananas, too.
edit: oh and i dont think this would have the kind of investment as a typical console.
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Astray
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Shhhh let the people delude themselves some more, can't end the party here and now.
Royalty split discussions between Microsoft and the other storefronts will either kill this entire idea or render it completely irrelevant when the only storefronts that come in are either irrelevant or have wonky integrations.
They need to provide an off-ramp to existing customers who will not be buying their next uber expensive
They want to ensure that most of the ex-Xbox audience that gets spilled over by their moves doesn't go to Playstation or Nintendo, if they're on PC then at least they can sell a PC Gamepass sub to them. I personally think the idea is stupid, and they're far better off just taking the gloves off and actually taking the fight to Valve.
HeisenbergFX4
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Zacfoldor
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They want to make the next hardware innovation but they are trying to do it with the surface team.
Best they can do is fill it with epoxy so it is unrepairable.
Sony and Nintendo have been trying this since they came out, with some great success and some failure.
Surely I don't know how the surface team will pull it off.
If they could create an Xbox with Steam and charge a low amount for it, that might not be bad. However, I got a feeling we will get a Win 12S ARM PC that only runs Microsoft Store, EGS, and itch.io. At first people will brag but EGS is a no go for me and not nearly the same a console that can run steam. If it could run steam I'm interested, if it is a way to spread EGS then yuck. Get Steam on board or cancel it.
Best they can do is fill it with epoxy so it is unrepairable.
Sony and Nintendo have been trying this since they came out, with some great success and some failure.
Surely I don't know how the surface team will pull it off.
If they could create an Xbox with Steam and charge a low amount for it, that might not be bad. However, I got a feeling we will get a Win 12S ARM PC that only runs Microsoft Store, EGS, and itch.io. At first people will brag but EGS is a no go for me and not nearly the same a console that can run steam. If it could run steam I'm interested, if it is a way to spread EGS then yuck. Get Steam on board or cancel it.
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mayham2199
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kevboard
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the only way forward for Xbox at this point is to make a perfect Console and PC hybrid ecosystem.
and that's gonna be hard to pull off.
1: they need full compatibility for all digital purchases both on the next Xbox consoles and on PC
2: they need a fully featured controller that isn't missing anything like a gyroscope etc.
3: Windows needs a gaming mode ala Steam OS, which seamlessly supports third party launchers and has intuitive solutions for moments where you need mouse or keyboard inputs.
4: at least the home console needs to support disc based games. best case would be full disc support on Windows and the possible handheld, as well as long as you have a compatible disc drive connected. (USB disc drives aren't that expensive)
5: Xbox Live online play needs to finally be free and not tied to any subscription.
it's already fucking retarded that you still have the subscription fee now, when Xbox games are all on PC, are all cross buy and cross progression, and are all using the same online service... but it's free on PC and costs money on console.
doesn't make sense now, would make even less sense once the hybrid thing happens.
the thing is that I kinda doubt most of these things will actually happen, simply because I just always expect the worst possible thing out of any large scale gaming company these days
and that's gonna be hard to pull off.
1: they need full compatibility for all digital purchases both on the next Xbox consoles and on PC
2: they need a fully featured controller that isn't missing anything like a gyroscope etc.
3: Windows needs a gaming mode ala Steam OS, which seamlessly supports third party launchers and has intuitive solutions for moments where you need mouse or keyboard inputs.
4: at least the home console needs to support disc based games. best case would be full disc support on Windows and the possible handheld, as well as long as you have a compatible disc drive connected. (USB disc drives aren't that expensive)
5: Xbox Live online play needs to finally be free and not tied to any subscription.
it's already fucking retarded that you still have the subscription fee now, when Xbox games are all on PC, are all cross buy and cross progression, and are all using the same online service... but it's free on PC and costs money on console.
doesn't make sense now, would make even less sense once the hybrid thing happens.
the thing is that I kinda doubt most of these things will actually happen, simply because I just always expect the worst possible thing out of any large scale gaming company these days
bender
What time is it?
HeisenbergFX4
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I have super bad news for those hoping Xbox is pulling out of the console making business
Sorry
viveks86
Member
But are you on #TeamHybrid or #TeamTrad
Dr.brain64
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there's a next xbox??!!
Topher
Identifies as young
They really need to wow folks. That much is certain
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Much to the dismay of many kids around here, of course there is
And I say kids because most around here are young enough to be my kids so even in your 30s your still a kid to me
But…
mayham2199
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Nah Xbox can go pretty much anyway they want with their next console. As long as they release a console with game pass access they're going to sell about the same no matter what.
Hari Seldon
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If it can't run steam then i don't give a single fuck about a MS handheld.
ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
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Ecosystem war. Once windows pc/handheld/console fully unify then it’s all about content. I’m expecting another purchase for additional mau.
Topher
Identifies as young
How? Xbox console sales continue to decline. If the next Xbox is just more of the same then I don't see how they will turn that around.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
What if Microsoft store goes all Epic and has exclusives that are not available on Steam? What if Microsoft convinces developers that they do not need to sign up for a Steam Price Parity agreement?
What if PC games are actually cheaper on the Xbox store?
Hari Seldon
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Unless they transfer my 600+ game steam library to their store for free idgaf.
Synastry
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I don't think anyone is hoping xbox pulls out some of us just see the numbers and see the XBS is gonna be lucky to sell 40M units.I have super bad news for those hoping Xbox is pulling out of the console making business
Sorry
Plus then you have Microsoft putting all there games on PS and Switch.
Which then makes you think if I can play games like Forza and Halo on my PS and Nintendo then why would I buy a Xbox then?
All I will say is 4-5 years after this thing launches will tell us everything.
4-5 years into last gen told us what to expect for XBO. 4-5 years into this gen, same thing.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
If you have 600+ games that means you ALREADY have a machine to play those games, you don't need a new machine to play old games.
A new Machine is a new start with a new library of new games.
well, maybe Microsoft can spin this to work.
MacReady13
Member
That and the fact Steam now has PlayStation games. There is 0% chance Sony is allowing that to happen.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Nahh there are several here that include Xbox pulling out of the console business in their nightly prayers
For whatever reason some are all about console wars on both sides of the green and blue fence
Granted I feel Xbox themselves fostered the PS fanboys hate towards them by having Xbox brass act buddy buddy with the worst of the worst Xbox zealots
You think Sony is going to dictate to Steam what they can do?
Best Sony can do is pull their games from Steam
bitbydeath
Member
I have super bad news for those hoping Xbox is pulling out of the console making business
Sorry
Is it a console though?
Sebastian1295
Member
Ya sony would ban any playstation game from being played on an xbox device. I also fail to see what microsoft would even gain from allowing steam and epic to put their storefronts on their next console. Like there's just 0 logic in doing so unless you wanna completely bankrupt your business.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
“Power” isn't Xbox gaming’s issue.
Yes, the One S was an excellent revision of the original Xbox One and could even operate as a 4K Blu-ray player, which surprisingly the PS4 Pro couldn't.
The hardware itself is well made.
MacReady13
Member
Yes I do! Sony would not allow ANY PlayStation games on Xbox branded hardware. So even if they had Steam on their next hardware, there would be caveats to that with not having PlayStation games playable on there.
Guardian Monkey
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But it already does
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viveks86
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A console that identifies as a PC. Perfect for the modern audience.Is it a console though?
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MacReady13
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You know what I mean… this is a discussion about consoles. They will not allow Steam to have PlayStation games on an Xbox CONSOLEBut it already does
ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
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Not a tech person but it Would be funny if the strength of next gen is the ai stuff integrated into one unified os. To fully use it will require specific hardware.
RetroGamingUK
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Considering literally no one buys Surfaces anymore they must have some time on their hands.