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[ElFenomeno]

Its a great piece of hardware but as always it doesn't mean shit if the devs don't optimize for it.
So its very possible that when all is said and done at the end of this gen, there are only a couple of FF7 Rebirth's and F1's, right.
For some people will be enough, for others it will be not.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Not this again. A high end pc is not a hard sell to its demographic and those wanting it. Just like a ps5 pro isn't a hard sell to those after it.

I personally find a pc that costs 3 times as much as a ps5 pro an easy sell to me. It's called preference and value proposition.

On a 2k pc I can get a 9800x3d and all the trimmings I want within that budget. It will smash the shit out of games for years. I can tweak to have consistent framerates above 60fps.

I don't even understand why I bother as it's like talking to a brick wall.

I don't know why it's crazy to think that a person could think like this....


Ps5 pro....700 pounds...comes without disk drive and stand....same lame cpu...a bump in gpu power but requires patching by a third party who could do poor patches....Sony may not even support the device properly. Other developers may not support it properly and provide no patch or poor patches for legacy games/ future titles. Not enough of userbase to care.


Pc 2 grand....every single game instantly becomes current gen with either souped up settings or performance that you control. All future games can run as you want. User defined tweaking to their flavour. May have stuttering on some titles but even silent hill 2 stutters on console...so what to do?

If you’re going to respond to me, read my post first. I genuinely don’t know what you’re responding to with that rant. I was criticizing Linus by using his own argument against tech products that are even more highly priced that he doesn’t bat an eye at criticizing for cost

How is Sony not going to support the device properly exactly? You’re making no sense

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Its a great piece of hardware but as always it doesn't mean shit if the devs don't optimize for it.
So its very possible that when all is said and done at the end of this gen, there are only a couple of FF7 Rebirth's and F1's, right.
For some people will be enough, for others it will be not.

Only a couple? Devs don’t have any excuse to not use at a minimum PSSR alone, which is transformative

Sure, not all will go back and patch old games, but everything going forward should support it

 

[DenchDeckard]

Only a couple? Devs don’t have any excuse to not use at a minimum PSSR alone, which is transformative

Sure, not all will go back and patch old games, but everything going forward should support it

But to what extent. Nothing wrong with anyone taking rhe wait and see approach and also waiting for price cuts.

I have a feeling that Sony will make one including the disk drive attached in a white box by the time ghosts of tsushima launches.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

But to what extent. Nothing wrong with anyone taking rhe wait and see approach and also waiting for price cuts.

I have a feeling that Sony will make one including the disk drive attached in a white box by the time ghosts of tsushima launches.

Nothing wrong with waiting for people that may be wondering what new games there are (fair point as this fall is light), but fear mongering like new games won’t be widely supported now is just silly

 

[Loboxxx]

Only a couple? Devs don’t have any excuse to not use at a minimum PSSR alone, which is transformative

Sure, not all will go back and patch old games, but everything going forward should support it

I think that PSSR is more demanding than we thought and can be a compromise in some circumstances at performance level.
The funny thing is that just the game with the best IQ on PS5pro, Horizon FW, does not use PSSR and is a game patched for Pro. Guerrilla has simply discarded it and it's Sony's top team. Food for thought.
For the record, I'm the first one interested in the Pro delivering what it promises.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I think that PSSR is more demanding than we thought and can be a compromise in some circumstances at performance level.
The funny thing is that just the game with the best IQ on PS5pro, Horizon FW, does not use PSSR and is a game patched for Pro. Guerrilla has simply discarded it and it's Sony's top team. Food for thought.
For the record, I'm the first one interested in the Pro delivering what it promises.

Different developers use the hardware differently. We don’t know how or if GG is using a different AI method tailored to the game. Why is that a negative?

Games that do use PSSR are seeing similar boosts in IQ. They all around look excellent from Sony first party.

At the end of the day PSSR is there, it works pretty easily for devs, and it transforms the IQ in a massive way.

If a different developer wants to go above and beyond and use the hardware differently because they feel it can make their game look even better, that’s awesome too, although many devs may not opt for that approach because it’s more work

But the fact that PSSR looks as good as it does is great devs that don’t have the technical chops and resources like GG do. It means Pro modes should be widely supported and still offer massive gains

 

[Mr Reasonable]

No you don’t. In fact the opposite, you need to sit close to a tv or have a large tv

Nowhere does he say the specs are disappointing. He’s just complaining about cost

Which is hilarious coming from a pc nerd

They do say that they had to get really close to try and find some differences, that's true.

 

[CZY]

Dropping in to push back on the “menus are laggy” crowd: shit is exactly the same for me.

 

[Jakk]

I got the Pro mainly for GTA VI, I have been waiting for that game since forever and I'm not waiting an extra year or so for it to release on PC. And maybe Sony will finally release some interesting games which make use of the Pro and don't come to PC day one. I was looking forward to trying GT7 but the Pro patch isn't even out yet, which is disappointing. Also, the PS5 Pro enhanced section on the PS Store didn't even work for me yesterday...

 

[skneogaf]

I've just ordered a ps5 pro, I got a 20% discount on it so I'll sell my standard one plus the discount will mean it's not too bad.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

But to what extent. Nothing wrong with anyone taking rhe wait and see approach and also waiting for price cuts.

I have a feeling that Sony will make one including the disk drive attached in a white box by the time ghosts of tsushima launches.

I think if you think you'd like it, jump in now and enjoy it. Given that price cuts don't seem forthcoming now, I'd just enjoy having the new thing while it's as new as possible!

 

[RJMacready73]

I've just ordered a ps5 pro, I got a 20% discount on it so I'll sell my standard one plus the discount will mean it's not too bad.

That's a pretty big discount, this unique to you?

 

[Gaiff]

I’m a huge PlayStation fan, and I bought the Pro, but it’s clear to me that this PS5 Pro falls short. I hope it’s just a matter of needing specific optimization to fully show its potential, but at launch, they’re lucky to have Final Fantasy Rebirth and F1, as those are the only games that really justify the console’s price. We went from thinking it was equivalent to a 4070s to barely surpassing a 4050.

I hate comparisons with PCs, but the leap from a 4060 to a 4070 is much more noticeable than what the PS5 Pro achieves, and the price difference between models is similar.

You can really tell that Sony is heavily focused on making profits.

>Barely surpassing a 4050

The Pro is weaker than the regular PS5?

 

[Loboxxx]

Ah yes only 10 fps difference

The games I’m playing with Pro patches look better at 60 fps than they did at 30 fps on base PS5

No one is saying that there are no improvements, but that there are no improvements that cost €350 more than the price of PS5.

Criticism is positive, do not be blinded by the fanaticism of a brand...

 

[Mayar]

Sure, not all will go back and patch old games, but everything going forward should support it

It doesn't always work like that. Especially in today's reality, expecting that all developers will suddenly drop everything and start optimizing is extremely naive, and no one will give them extra money for this. Plus, don't forget the fact that there is always a focus on a weaker platform, in this case, the base PS5 will pull the blanket over itself. Because when your entire core player base is on the base version of the console, naturally you will have to take this into account. As in the case of PS4 Pro, if I remember exactly, the total number of PRO was 20-25% of the regular version PS4, it is unlikely to be more here either. And naturally, when 70-80% of players are still using the base model, and it is still being traded and has not been removed from sale, you simply cannot pretend that it does not exist and these players do not exist, and suddenly optimize everything for PRO excluding base console.

Therefore, I expect approximately the same result as PS4 PRO, it will take 20-30% of the market of the regular version, but there will be no cardinal shift in terms of games until the next generation of consoles.

 

[Gaiff]

No one is saying that there are no improvements, but that there are no improvements that cost €350 more than the price of PS5.

Criticism is positive, do not be blinded by the fanaticism of a brand...

Criticism is welcome when it makes sense and is fair.

You called it barely faster than a 4050 and that’s just dumb.

 

[King Dazzar]

Dropping in to push back on the “menus are laggy” crowd: shit is exactly the same for me.

Same here - mines behaving identically. But that doesn't mean it is for everyone. We'll all have different drives, networks and settings.

 

[King Dazzar]

Criticism is positive,

Key word missing is constructive.

 

[blastprocessor]

What? In pure power perspective it's much below your 3080. It's below Radeon 6800 in raster.

Yeah, i've not seen any evidence this is a 3080/4070.

I'm waiting for DF videos to prove otherwise.

Maybe there's an outlier like Last Of Us Part 1 but that's not got a good reputation on PC.

 

[Saiyan-Rox]

Any methods of disc drive watch in the UK? Kinda like we did for the consoles when they were being scalped

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Dropping in to push back on the “menus are laggy” crowd: shit is exactly the same for me.

See, this is about how sensitive someone is with framedrops/judder/stutter/PMW (on OLED screens) and all that jazz.
There's people that just can't perceive such things and that's just fine, as an example, many people are A-OK with their PS Portals while others the only thing they see is the stutters due the Hz mismatch between the PS5's output and the portal's 60Hz screen - same thing with the people that can perceive or worse yet, get eye strain from OLED PMW, people that can perceive frame-stepping in games like Bloodborne etc etc...

The menus ARE laggier compared to base PS5 and it's something that Radical_3d explained thoroughly in another post - it's basically got to do with the fact that the OS now runs on separate DDR5 instead of DDR6 mem. iirc.

Not a dig towards you man btw

Cheers

 

[Pasta la Vista]

Actually kinda relieved to see it's not sold out everywhere. People have some self control it seems?

Most people can't really tell the difference or there is just not enough software that makes the upgrade worthwhile. Nothing to do with self control. As it currently stands the PS5 pro is a useless upgrade for most people. Maybe in a couple more years there will be enough true current gen games.

 

[CZY]

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See, this is about how sensitive someone is with framedrops/judder/stutter/PMW (on OLED screens) and all that jazz.
There's people that just can't perceive such things and that's just fine, as an example, many people are A-OK with their PS Portals while others the only thing they see is the stutters due the Hz mismatch between the PS5's output and the portal's 60Hz screen - same thing with the people that can perceive or worse yet, get eye strain from OLED PMW, people that can perceive frame-stepping in games like Bloodborne etc etc...

The menus ARE laggier compared to base PS5 and it's something that Radical_3d explained thoroughly in another post - it's basically got to do with the fact that the OS now runs on separate DDR5 instead of DDR6 mem. iirc.

Not a dig towards you man btw

Cheers

Yes yes I see it too tbh; but I also have a shit-ass tv by modern standards. When I say “exactly the same” I mean within 08ns or whatever. Literally 99.8% the same. But yes I agree it’s slightly slower. I guess my point is something like holy-shit-who-gives-a-shit.

 

[Spukc]

Ah yes only 10 fps difference

The games I’m playing with Pro patches look better at 60 fps than they did at 30 fps on base PS5

Ngl this is basically my replacement for having better gfx in gt7.

There is simply no other way.
And in sim racing 700 dollars is a fucking joke

 

[saintjules]

Why are people buying the Pro exclusively for GTA VI? There's no release date yet for that.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Why are people buying the Pro exclusively for GTA VI? There's no release date yet for that.

Especially since there could very well be a better "console" out around that time

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

Especially since there could very well be a better "console" out around that time

And a better PS6 after that.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

And a better PS6 after that.

Yeah a couple of years later

 

[Imtjnotu]

According to DF, HDMI is still limited to 32gbps, with 4:2:2 output. They are using DSC to hit 8K @ 60 FPS. Rather odd choice.

I set mine up to output 4:4:4 but I'll never get the 120hz and I think I'm okay with that.

4k60 is all ill get

 

[FireFly]

Criticism is welcome when it makes sense and is fair.

You called it barely faster than a 4050 and that’s just dumb.

As far as I am aware the 4050 only exists as a mobile GPU. So the comparison makes even less sense.

 

[King Dazzar]

Why are people buying the Pro exclusively for GTA VI? There's no release date yet for that.

I'm with you. I'm not. But I thought GTAVI was scheduled for late 25?

 

[rofif]

I set mine up to output 4:4:4 but I'll never get the 120hz and I think I'm okay with that.

4k60 is all ill get

You are overthinking it. more fps is always better than 444 chroma. You cannot see the difference. It's impossible.
Besides, 60hz games will be 444 and 120hz games will be 422 automatically. You dont have to limit your tv to anything

 

[FalconPunch]

Dropping in to push back on the “menus are laggy” crowd: shit is exactly the same for me.

I swear people are just making shit up

 

[Imtjnotu]

You are overthinking it. more fps is always better than 444 chroma. You cannot see the difference. It's impossible.
Besides, 60hz games will be 444 and 120hz games will be 422 automatically. You dont have to limit your tv to anything

4:4:4 on my C2 gives way better colors than 4:2:2 does and it's highly noticeable.
120hz for me isn't really noticeable in gaming. Usually around 144 when I play on my S95c is when I can tell I'm in the higher refresh rates

 

[FalconPunch]

I’m a huge PlayStation fan, and I bought the Pro, but it’s clear to me that this PS5 Pro falls short. I hope it’s just a matter of needing specific optimization to fully show its potential, but at launch, they’re lucky to have Final Fantasy Rebirth and F1, as those are the only games that really justify the console’s price. We went from thinking it was equivalent to a 4070s to barely surpassing a 4050.

I hate comparisons with PCs, but the leap from a 4060 to a 4070 is much more noticeable than what the PS5 Pro achieves, and the price difference between models is similar.

You can really tell that Sony is heavily focused on making profits.

It’s funny when people think they can stealth troll/concern troll. You didn’t buy a pro at all and I seriously doubt that you’ve ever owned a 4060, 4050, or 4070. Go troll elsewhere.

 

[rofif]

4:4:4 on my C2 gives way better colors than 4:2:2 does and it's highly noticeable.
120hz for me isn't really noticeable in gaming. Usually around 144 when I play on my S95c is when I can tell I'm in the higher refresh rates

It doesn't.
Means you need to configure both input the same. There is no visible color difference. I guarantee it.
But every input on every device on sdr and on hdr have it's own settings. You need to match all.
Even if You have already warm 50 set up, move the slider to 49 and back to 50. There is a bug and sometimes it's 0 despite saying 50.
You are greatly missing out on 40fps modes, unlocked modes and so on. especially on pro

 

[twilo99]

Why are people buying the Pro exclusively for GTA VI? There's no release date yet for that.

I suspect there might be better hardware to play that on by the time it gets out

 

[rofif]

Why are people buying the Pro exclusively for GTA VI? There's no release date yet for that.

gta6 will suck anyway. Will be a casuals galore like 5 was.
Last good gta game was 4

 

[twilo99]

gta6 will suck anyway. Will be a casuals galore like 5 was.
Last good gta game was 4

such a downer

 

[rofif]

such a downer

rdr2 gives me some hope since it came out after gta 5 and was good... but we will see

 

[DeathGuise]

Guys I'm going to just say it-- Witcher III looks a lot better than that SpiderMan game shown in the DF video. I'm not trying to be a hater but usually there is a game or set of games each generation that make me jump to buy the MS/Sony consoles and I haven't seen them yet.

 

[Imtjnotu]

It doesn't.
Means you need to configure both input the same. There is no visible color difference. I guarantee it.
But every input on every device on sdr and on hdr have it's own settings. You need to match all.
Even if You have already warm 50 set up, move the slider to 49 and back to 50. There is a bug and sometimes it's 0 despite saying 50.
You are greatly missing out on 40fps modes, unlocked modes and so on. especially on pro

On 40fps modes the TV automatically kicks down to 4:2:2 for the 120hz.

4:4:4 has better colors on a C2. That's a fact. It goes full 12bit when you change your input on the TV to PC instead of leaving it on regular.

If you want come over to my place and I'll show you

 

[tmlDan]

idk what it is but this thing looks substantially smaller than my OG, even if it isn't it just feels like it is - maybe cause its substantially lighter lol

Just got mine but haven't played games on it yet!

 

[diffusionx]

No you don’t. In fact the opposite, you need to sit close to a tv or have a large tv

Nowhere does he say the specs are disappointing. He’s just complaining about cost

Which is hilarious coming from a pc nerd

PC nerds seemingly like to pretend like their hardware hasn’t shot up in price in a crazy way the past 3-4 years.

 

[skneogaf]

That's a pretty big discount, this unique to you?

No it was a joining discount on a website in England called very.

I've got 20% discount and now I've traded in my standard ps5 for 250 so I've ended up paying less than half price for the ps5 pro.

GTA 6 needs to hurry up

 

[Loboxxx]

Criticism is welcome when it makes sense and is fair.

You called it barely faster than a 4050 and that’s just dumb.

A bit of hyperbole I admit, nothing new in a videogame forum. Sorry, I'm a bit frustrated with the Pro, I was really looking forward to the console.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Especially since there could very well be a better "console" out around that time

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

It doesn't always work like that. Especially in today's reality, expecting that all developers will suddenly drop everything and start optimizing is extremely naive

Who said anything about heavily optimizing?

They don’t need to with PSSR, that’s my entire point. Its made to easily overlay into the base ps5 version

If you don’t think Pro modes will essentially be standard going forward, that is extremely naive

 

[Pop]

Actually kinda relieved to see it's not sold out everywhere. People have some self control it seems?

Price is too high for the avg person

And I know already the console is for the enthusiast.