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ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
This would be fucking awful. Terrible. Horrendous.
Don't you people realise that it would be even worse than the Series S and PC ports in terms of holding back the generation??
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I don't think there will be console generation anymore when the ps6 release in 4 years. It will be blurring the separation actually. There is no reason for any game is 4 years that won't work and look OK on the base ps5.
Games still release on the current ps5, ps5 pro and the ps6. Games take longer to make, so exclusive to the ps6 is out of the question. Choosing a console to play on is like Choosing a low end to high end pc now. It is that simple.
Also, I don't the price is going to fall below the pro.
Games still release on the current ps5, ps5 pro and the ps6. Games take longer to make, so exclusive to the ps6 is out of the question. Choosing a console to play on is like Choosing a low end to high end pc now. It is that simple.
Also, I don't the price is going to fall below the pro.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Whatever it is, it's fucking stupid. They need to focus.
SegaSnatcher
Member
The CPU tech in PS6 will be no older than a year of what has already been released for PC at that point. It will be Zen 6/7 at the very least.
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Ramz87
Member
Yes. Zen 2 came out in 2019 and the PS5 was released in 2020 so Zen 6 makes sense.
SegaSnatcher
Member
If the PS6 releases in 2026, I believe Zen 6 is coming in 2025.
I'm more of the belief PS6 is 2027 at the earliest.
Bernoulli
M2 slut
SegaSnatcher
Member
In no world is Sony putting a CPU from 2024 into a console releasing in 2027 at the earliest, not going to happen.
It will be Zen 7 most likely.
SegaSnatcher
Member
It all comes down to what has been available in terms of PC CPU tech the year before PS6 launches.
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Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
That's because it was poorly thought out by Microsoft + they put themselves in a corner with the launch parity clause. The various PC handhelds that exist aren't holding anything back.
More like Steam Deck. And yeah, 1080p might be it. Sony finally stopped the lunacy of putting a 4k screens on their flagship Xperia phones.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
There's no way to think it out correctly because it's a bad idea from the start. Nintendo consolidated their dev pipeline by doing a hybrid console for a reason. Resources are getting waste trying to apply to different SKUs, and PC is included in that 1000%.
Zathalus
Member
Series S I get but how are PC ports holding back the generation? They are outsourced to other developers and take ~2 years to do.
Yeah ive pretty much given up hope of being impressed by AMD after seeing the pro. All that talk about amazing rt gains and architectural improvements and its once again rdna4 been underwhelming after the hype cycle like clockwork not to mention sony has decided to penny pinch and focus on immediate profits at the detriment of impressive hardware even on the pro. Amd has pretty much thrown in the towel gpu wise I was really hoping intel would come put swinging but so much for that..what a depressing time for gaming when only nvidia offers good tech but at bleeding prices.
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Playboi Carti
Member
Sony has to go 12c or 16c and infinity cache is a fucking must this time
Sony has to go 80+ CU's at 3GHZ and PT is a fucking must this time
Sony has to go 1TB of bandwidth and 32GB is a fucking must this time
But y'all still gonna refuse to pay more than 500$ for this. Y'all want top tier specs for 500$ every gen, that ain't gonna work anymore.
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ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Reality/Fact: All of those resources can be going towards bolstering or speeding up or enhancing the software for the actual console that Sony lives on. Spending 2 years of precious time and money for ports that'll sell a max of 3 million (and with the PSN requirement likely much less) at dilapidated prices that get cut by 30% because of the Steam tax is fucking foolish.
Speculation/Leak: You can't convince me that the developers aren't trying to account for easier PC ports as they're making these games. It's the same principle as cross-gen titles. There are a lot of PCs out there that aren't as powerful as the PS5 or the Pro. Given that the Insomniac leak already shows us that Wolverine development is being weighed down by a future PC port that Insomniac is most likely not even going to be handling, it's practically undeniable.
That's just going to get worse with a handheld. Sony may as well be running and 3rd party publisher at this rate.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
This is a reality today already. What is 1 more? Especially one that Sony will make porting games to easy, bordering on trivial.
Bitstream
Member
C'mon man, don't be ridiculous. It's going to be more PS4 remakes.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
One more degree of kissing PS3-PS4 1st party exclusive qualify goodbye is a huge, huge cost.
Zathalus
Member
What resources? As I said, outsourced to other studios. Nobody at the Sony first party is porting the game. Ragnarok was done by 4 developers from a third party studio over a 18 month period. Financially the cost of these ports are also no burden. $2 million for a port that nets $50-$70 million just makes sense. Nixxes (a porting specialist) was purchased specifically to reduce those porting costs and further take the burden away from other Sony developers, and it’s paying off for PS5 gamers as well, as they can now port/remaster older titles.
The Wolverine leak has a playable PC build, but that doesn’t usually have anything to do with porting, it’s just how developer builds work. Having PC builds of games for developer testing has been a thing for almost two decades now, even for games that were developed with no intention of having a PC build, such as Bloodborne or even Nintendo titles (per the Gamefreak hack). As for developing for PC in mind, that’s debatable. Sony first party games are notoriously heavy to run on PC, with Ratchet requiring a dedicated new API and significantly stronger hardware then the PS5 to run at parity.
Imtjnotu
Member
.... I bought two pro's..... Don't play with me. We ain't broke.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
They put a Zen 2 in a late 2024 console…
I am not sure but a Zen 5 with 16 cores and 3D Cache shared by CPU and GPU would be to me preferable to a Zen 7 without 3D cache…
ap_puff
Member
Why are people begging for 16c? It ain't happening, and ps6 won't need it. What would you even use an extra 8c16t for? Almost no games use more than 8c as it is, outside of non console games like sim games. 3d cache on an apu would be extraordinarily expensive. Zen 5 die is 70mm^2, a console APU is 250-300mm^2. I really don't see it being feasible based on cost. Even if they revert to L3 on top, that's still like 200+mm^2 of dummy silicon which is still going to make the wafer cost large.
Audiophile
Member
Fully expect 2028 w/ 'UDNA2' & Zen 7C or ARM.
awwr999999
Member
Even the PS3's XMB is a downgrade from the PS2(Japan-only model PSX) XMB.
There's 4 years of lag with any console but it's only an issue when the 'console' is an x86 PC using off-the-shelf PC HW that anyone can compare to PC parts.
This is why Apple's done the opposite of Sony and abandoned x86 for esoteric - we can't compare Apple's M chips to other CPUs anymore.
Apple likely looked at success of the PS2 and noticed that it's the last console to have bespoke HW.
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lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
Horizon forbidden west complete edition remake for ps6 in the works now . All other projects on hold ordered by hermen
asdasdasdbb
Member
That ship has sailed. As I mentioned in another thread (?) it's all going to be crossgen games anyway. The PS6 is only happening in 2027 because of MS.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
AMD released Zen2 in 2019. Same year PS5 was announced(released in 2020), and while they're using Zen2 and RDNA2 for their CPU and GPU architecture, the hardware is definitely not 'off-the-shelf'. Whatever is going into the PS6 is something Sony and AMD are architecting right now, just like they did Zen2.
I have never met Tim Cook, but I can 100% guarantee they did not look or consider the PS2 in their decision to build the M series Macbooks. Intel was dropping the ball so hard they had to leave them. Their options were to pay AMD, try to pay to for an x86 license, or use their experience designing and building SoCs for iPhone/iPad. They had been making the Apple Silicon SoCs since the iPhone 4 so they figured they could do it themselves.
asdasdasdbb
Member
Maybe. Figure PS5-level performance is the best you could expect, and it won't be cheap.
kevboard
Member
4 years into this generation and we still get AAA PS4 and Xbox One games.
what do you think will happen next gen?
this will get more and more normal. we live in a world where games made with modern AAA game engines can be scaled down so dramatically that they run on phones.
as long as the CPU can run the logic, you can run the game... that's basically how it is now. the graphics can be scaled down like a motherfucker these days without much work.
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ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
I don't think PS6 is happening that soon. 2028 earliest. You tell me 2030, I'll be fine.
pcostabel
Gold Member
asdasdasdbb
Member
Normally I would agree but MS doing another console has apparently compelled Sony to go early too.
twilo99
Member
It's not surprising, given their recent decisions on CPUs, that they've launched a flagship product with a CPU architecture from five years ago and managed to persuade consumers that this product is in fact "future-proof."
Crayon
Member
Apparently? Idk if that's so apparent.