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- Thread starter Laughing Banana
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Switch isn't going to approach anywhere near the levels of success as Wii.
It's going to be another 4-5 year console with nothing but Nintendo titles and indies, and will ultimately fail to capture a significant market share. It's another console that isn't exciting enough to captivate casuals, and isn't sophisticated or powerful enough to appease traditional/"core" gamers.
It's going to be another 4-5 year console with nothing but Nintendo titles and indies, and will ultimately fail to capture a significant market share. It's another console that isn't exciting enough to captivate casuals, and isn't sophisticated or powerful enough to appease traditional/"core" gamers.
I agree on Last of Us. I just can't enjoy it as much as I want to. My friend finished it and said he didn't care for it.
LordRaptor
Member
I like diablo style inventory tetris as it feels like you have to make choices, but absolutely hate the bethesda style 'soft lock' encumbrance where you're still carrying all the shit but moving like molasses or popping a potion / equipping a ring just to not move like molasses between the fast travel destination and the nearest vendor
Tangled Up in Blue
Banned
Lights and Waves
Member
Skyward Sword > Breath of the Wild
Yep, that is quite bizarre!
I mean, to each his own and all, but wow.
The One and Done
Member
Little Big Planet is a very overrated game as far as gameplay goes.
Tarextherex
Banned
Honestly I don't get some of the anti-Zelda sentiment out there about it getting a free pass, do you see people irl going out of their way to hate on like Titanic or whatever universally acclaimed movie/book/music out there? That's how yall sound. "If this was an Ubisoft game this would get an 8" do you have any idea how stupid this sounds? Hell I think games that are remotely similar to Zelda in at least one way that aren't made by Nintendo get more overhyped than basically every game in the series ever did
3D Zeldas absolutely deserve their 90+ metascores, when the game's biggest flaw is a detail like "it's too formulaic or too linear", well this is the kind of flaw that costs a .5, not over that because the rest of the game is basically top notch. I only played Okami up until the end of the first dungeon and no, it's not better than Twilight Princess, even when comparing pound for pound the opening acts of each game. Besides having faster and more fluid wolf controls and being more whimsical/having a less rigid progression, TP is simply a better game with better level design, oh and enemies are actually on screen rather than having to make an awkward battle transition. Some people out there were saying that Beyond Good & Evil was a better action-adventure game than Wind Waker and while it's not a bad game, it does nothing at all over it except for taking photographs, that's it. You might think it's pathetic that games that took a 1998 game from the same series as a template were so succesful, well they were still way better games than most of the competition, deal with it. Either have an open mind and actually try the series or say nothing at all
3D Zeldas absolutely deserve their 90+ metascores, when the game's biggest flaw is a detail like "it's too formulaic or too linear", well this is the kind of flaw that costs a .5, not over that because the rest of the game is basically top notch. I only played Okami up until the end of the first dungeon and no, it's not better than Twilight Princess, even when comparing pound for pound the opening acts of each game. Besides having faster and more fluid wolf controls and being more whimsical/having a less rigid progression, TP is simply a better game with better level design, oh and enemies are actually on screen rather than having to make an awkward battle transition. Some people out there were saying that Beyond Good & Evil was a better action-adventure game than Wind Waker and while it's not a bad game, it does nothing at all over it except for taking photographs, that's it. You might think it's pathetic that games that took a 1998 game from the same series as a template were so succesful, well they were still way better games than most of the competition, deal with it. Either have an open mind and actually try the series or say nothing at all
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
Maybe not in real life, but this is one of the cornerstones of the internet. Message boards were forged on the need of people to vent that they are not following the mainstream of big successes.
Across every medium you'll consistently find people being vocal about their belief that something is overrated as if it was the biggest crime an entertainment product could do.
Like why does a movie like La Land Land or Birdman get more hate than some of the actual mediocre releases of those years? Because we like to think that we can balance things out, so if we see something we didn't like with the tenacity to claim that they are number one, then we must bash it proportionally to the amount of praise it is getting.
LinkSlayer64
Member
Trophies are garbage.
The obsession with getting a new Metroid is pathetic. The game series was good, sometimes things just end.
The obsession with getting a new Metroid is pathetic. The game series was good, sometimes things just end.
I am starting to suspect that generation 7 that big publishers along with Sony and Microsoft colluded to ramp up development cost by pushing out HD development out to early. During the release, the HD TV market hadn't taken off. Heck, IICR, the first iteration of the Xbox 360 didn't have HDMI output! The big publishers knew of the increase cost of development and use that opportunity to buy out mid-tier and smaller developmental houses and/or gleefully cheer about having less competition. The issue with this is that Nintendo didn't play along with this collusion w/ the Wii and thus the disdain for making quality titles and the trash tier marketing for Nintendo platforms.
Tarextherex
Banned
Exactly, this culture needs to change, gamers are probably the worst with that. When a bunch of people's arguments against that are weak stuff like "I don't like Nintendo games they rely on nostalgia" that doesn't lead to good discussion at all. Such uneducated opinions being so widespread solely to look cool on a forum by bashing the mainstream is not constructive at all. This harms not only the users seeking actually good conversations, but also the developers looking for feedback when all they have is some people with poor knowledge of game design parroting edgy opinions
Man, you must enjoy torture. Even going into it knowing it was bad, I was still surprised at how terrible everything was once I booted it up. Literally a 1 minute loading screen for 20-30 second mini games, shit was crazy bad
pretty done
Member
Was about to respond then I read your tag. Not getting me.
Whatever.
That's not a controversial opinion, that's a conspiracy theory. Big publishers are not individual persons with vendetta. If they see profit from bringing their games to Nintendo consoles they will bring them over. They have stockholders to answer to.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
So you've been watching me play Dark Souls 2, huh? Thanks for having my back haha. But seriously, I hate that.
Melchiah
Member
Good post. Something like The Last of Us seems to trigger this kind of behavior often.
Absolutely agree. "Oh hey, lookit this game, isn't it beautifullllllllll?"
Yes. Yes it is. WHAT THE FUCK GAME IS IT?
Augh!
Melchiah
Member
Or gif/video links without description.
neurosisxeno
Member
Mainline Nintendo games (Pokemon, Zelda, Mario) get rated 5-20 points higher than they really should 100% of the time. If you took the same game and reskinned it to a lesser known IP you would see this. They could release a nearly flawless Uncharted game and it would probably rate about the same as a slightly above average Zelda game. Wind Waker for the GCN has a 96 on Metacritic and the highest Uncharted game also has a 96.
At least for the Wii U version it managed a 90, which I think was still too generous, but I find it hard to believe for its time Uncharted 2 was only on par with Wind Waker at its time. In fact, when they re-review any Zelda game it drops quite a bit; TP on GC got a 96 and TP HD got an 86. People go nuts for these games when the launch and I feel the reviews are always inflated quite a bit. Give them time and people realize they are above average games at best.
At least for the Wii U version it managed a 90, which I think was still too generous, but I find it hard to believe for its time Uncharted 2 was only on par with Wind Waker at its time. In fact, when they re-review any Zelda game it drops quite a bit; TP on GC got a 96 and TP HD got an 86. People go nuts for these games when the launch and I feel the reviews are always inflated quite a bit. Give them time and people realize they are above average games at best.
Rellik
Member
That winds me up so much.
GhostOfSparta305
Banned
I agree, but only when developers create them according to entitled trophy whores' asinine standards.
"No online trophies!"
"No collect X collectibles trophies!"
"No missable trophies!"
"No trophies that are too haaaaaard!!"
Ugh. Gamers act as if they're owed trophies just for investing enough time in a game, rather than actually having skill. I thought trophies were supposed to be about bragging rights?
Not to entirely disagree with you, but
may be one reason why Zelda is rated higher than Uncharted - because some people prefer one genre over another. Fantasy over Archaeological swashbuckling over, I dunno... SF. Like, most open-world games are the same, right? But some people prefer The Witcher over GTA, simply because the world is different. It's not impossible to say that some people prefer the world and genre of Zelda over the world and genre of Uncharted, right?
Which isn't to say you don't have a point, but that the allowance should be made. It's much the same as some people prefer Alien over Aliens - they're both horror, but one is Pure Horror and the other is Action Horror, though they're both part of the Alien franchise.
Pantz
Member
Cindy from FFXV is a great character with detailed backstory and she is not out of place. If you take the time to learn about her character you will know why she dresses the way she does. It's really disgusting to hear some of the names people called her. She's more than just a pair of boobs.
I'm sorry but this reminds me too much the "explanation" about Quiet's clothes in MGSV :')
SeriuzBiznus
Member
Right, but the characters are part of the appeal. It's the same reason people will pay twice the price for brand names over generic.
neurosisxeno
Member
There's entirely an argument to be made there, and I think your point plays into why it happens. I imagine people play Zelda games and remember how much they love the lore of Zelda and it inflates their opinion of the games. People are less likely to criticize a series they remember fondly and have history with than a newer IP that they have no major connection to. I think this also explained why during the surge of Indie games those that invoked nostalgia were generally very well received. Mario Sunshine has a 92 average on Metacritic, and that's just silly since it's easily one of the weakest entries in the series (imo), and that much was apparent even when it launched.
I just used Uncharted as an example because it's a very well received series and a new entry recently came out that was well received. It's the same reason I used Zelda since a new entry just came out.
I think PC gaming is extremely expensive and I have no idea why some people on reddit call it cheaper than console gaming. My $300 machine can run Horizon. I doubt a $600 PC can run it at the same fidelity. Also there's a huge upfront cost that nobody talks about, a non-monetary cost. Time and knowledge, you have to research the hell out of every single part and try to find the best deal then carefully build it without ruining everything, when I can just take my console out of its box and plug it in.
I'm in the process of building a PC, that's why I'm ranting...
I'm in the process of building a PC, that's why I'm ranting...
MilkyJoe
Member
Silky link coming up...
I don't get the continued worship for Hideo Kojima after Quiet. I'm sure he makes good games, but that doesn't make him less of a dirty old pervert/misogynist that needs calling out.
Or should I feel ashamed for my words and my deeds?
Rellik
Member
I definitely think too many people in those arguments ignore the much bigger upfront cost. It's a big investment, but I believe the money saving is in the long run with the price of PC games. For example, I had Mafia III pre-ordered for £23 on PC. It was something like £40 on console. Those first few Steam sales you experience are eye opening as well.
But I still prefer playing on my Pro for some reason. My gaming PC doesn't get much use.
neurosisxeno
Member
It's a steep investment but for the past 5 or so years PC Hardware has held up really well. If you want to stick to 1080p or even push for 1440p it's not unreasonable that a $600-800 setup will last you 3-4 years. An i5, GTX1060/RX480, 16GB of DDR4 will probably last for a quite a bit. I'm still using my i5-2500k and just replaced my old GTX 670 with a GTX 1060. So I spent a bunch of money 4-5 years ago and have since just started replacing hardware. My next step is a new CPU/Mobo/RAM.
The savings tend to be in the games. You'll never see stuff on sale over PSN or XBL like you do on Steam, and now we have a consistent stream of CD Key sites that allow for cheap purchased (off the back of a digital truck if you will). PC Gaming is about overall value. If you don't care about paying the latest and greatest games exclusively, the prices of software on the PC platform drops very quickly (except CoD games and I think GTAV has stayed quite expensive) and it allow you to wait 3-6 months and get games for 1/2 or even 1/3 to 1/4 the price.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
These little throwaway lines come off as someone trying to be edgy for the sake of being edgy.
If you really mean it, go into some detail as to why SS beats BotW. I can use a good laugh.
Cost is definitely factor.
But I think it's those other non-monetary costs you mentioned that are the main inhibitor.
While many PC enthusiasts will stress the ease and simplicity of building a basic gaming rig, to the majority it will never compare to buying a machine that you take out of the box, connect it to a TV and it just works.
Every game you buy for it will run (more or less) and all the updating of software, hardware etc is essentially done for you.
It's not even a competition for most gamers.
Melchiah
Member
I can agree with that, since Horizon appeals more to me than Witcher 3 due to the sci-fi setting and the character you play as. I always play as a female character, when given the possibility.
And I preferred Alien over Aliens as well, because I like horror more than action. The same goes for old Resident Evil games versus RE4.
I havent played enough Breath of the Wild to agree with this statement. However as someone who passionately loves SS, I could understand having an unreasonable bar that any future Zelda game would have to cross.
I think Japanese games story are generally horrible but get praised for being good. I can only assume there is a different standard for Japanese story telling in Japan. Metal Gear and Kingdom Hearts are probably the most standard examples, but I think everyone agrees that those story's are a mess now.
To be fair uncharted gets praised for story telling and the story is literally grade school material most of the time.
To be fair uncharted gets praised for story telling and the story is literally grade school material most of the time.
MilkyJoe
Member
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Of course it's ok to like different things, so if this poster really feels this way,then they should have no problem telling why they have this opinion. There's nothing wrong with asking for some details as to why someone feels the way they do. Especially in a game comparison.
Providing some details also lets us know that the user is being genuine, and not simply looking to post something edgy just for the sake of it.
MilkyJoe
Member
The thread title is quite explicit, it doesn't mention "and you had better be able to back it up if someone calls you a liar"
He's really in the right thread to post that without having to back it up. You could have asked politely why he prefers it, rather than being condescending. No one likes to interact with the militant opinionated.
I'll tell you right now that I don't like Ocarina of time. Reason -
It was boring.
boneyjangles
Member
Yes, it's much more expensive, and the cost comparisons are usually flawed. I feel sorry for anyone conned into those cheap 'outperforms PS4' PCs back when the PS4 launched. I know first hand, because I had to troubleshoot one for a friend. It was garbage and had trouble with even watchdogs (and many other things), I had to donate him an PSU too to even run reliably. He's since moved back to PS4.
PC shopping and building shouldn't be compared to buying a console. The experience of gaming should be, but the buying and assembling, no. It's certainly possible to get a fantastic piece of kit for anything from $600 to $1000, and even less if you can cannibalise hardware - like a good keyboard or monitor - from friends/family/work.
Really, it's more like buying a car. Shopping for PC hardware and putting it together is like looking at second-hand cars - you can absolutely get a better end experience for less money than going to a dealership and buying new. And you can also get in over your head, frustrated, and end up buying something that in the long term is a junker. It's down to the individual whether they want the extra time/cost/effort, or if they'd rather go for a console.
(And this is speaking as someone who bought and built their own PC 4 times over a period of 10 years.)
SeeNoWeevil
Member
There's an awful lot of misleading information around building a custom PC, seemingly in an attempt to 'get people on the team'. I think people just forget how much knowledge they've accrued over the years in building many PCs that they think the same applies to everyone. Building a PC well takes a lot of research, knowledge, competency and is very easy to make expensive mistakes. Most importantly, you can't hand it back to someone to deal with if there's a faulty component somewhere. You'll need to troubleshoot yourself (which can be hell, especially if you don't have spare components). People who say 'it's like Lego' are straight-up dishonest. I've built loads of PCs and even still, it's not unheard of to make a mistake. Manuals are crap, connectors are fiddly and confusingly labelled, quite a lot of force is required in places near very fragile components etc. etc.
People also bullshit about the upfront cost by leaving components off (OS, controllers etc.). I'm not sure why there's a need to do this. I don't think in the long run a PC is anymore expensive at all but there's absolutely no denying (although people still try) the upfront cost is much higher.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Halo 5's movement system is on par with Titanfall 1.