rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Again, here never says Xbox achievements or Xbox account. My account even is an account from the "Games for Windows Live" era. You are reaching with this Xbox obsession.
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Sea of Thieves on PS5 reveals Microsoft's Trojan Horse to turn millions of PS5 users into Xbox users
- Thread starter ManaByte
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ManaByte
Banned
I specifically said in the OP that I had two Xbox achievements unlocked while playing on the PS5 and my PS5 playtime was reflected on my Xbox account. What the fuck are you talking about.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Congratulations. You just discovered that you have a MS account, not an Xbox account.
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ManaByte
Banned
Again explain how Xbox achievements aren’t Xbox achievements.
Lol yes, I have corrected my swipe type errors. Didn't make much sense.
However I don't mind playing Xbox on pc or ps, just doesn't warrant me buying another of their consoles.
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BlackTron
Member
I completely ignored the typing errors while replying lol
Fair enough.
I don't mind their service though for the few games that interest me. But I have tried to invest in their eco system each gen. Every time I end up selling within a year, being able to play on ps and pc is a win for me
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
If you are seeing the word Xbox with the achievement, MS is reaching too. Here only show Achievement(s). Without the word Xbox.
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ManaByte
Banned
If an achievement is unlocked on the Xbox platform it’s an Xbox achievement.
Fuck this.
Topher
Identifies as young
I said early on in this thread that all this means is that Microsoft is a third party publisher. OP is pretending all this shit is some "trojan horse". Just a silly way to look at it.
Unknown?
Member
He's saying his account has no mention of Xbox.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
This same achievement is unlocked on the PC account, if they are the same. How hard is for you to understand you have a MS account, the same way people have a PSN or EA or Ubisoft account?
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
What a revealing thread. Those of you who think this is all a master plan and that MS is somehow smarter than everyone despite getting their asses handed to them for years in nearly every meaningful metric. What are you smoking?
Topher
Identifies as young
I think the confusion here is between a Microsoft account and an Xbox profile. Not the same thing. I sincerely doubt that an Xbox profile is created every single time someone creates a new Microsoft account.
ManaByte
Banned
The achievements can only be viewed on the Xbox app for PC.
It is when you unlock a game achievement with it.
BlackTron
Member
I think where we are going with this is "so what"? It's not like MS pulled off some crazy stunt to have you unlocking Xbox achievements on PS. The only difference between their account and another third party account is that Xbox had a failed console first and Ubisoft didn't.
I don't see any other differences. lol
demigod
Member
Topher
Identifies as young
And how do we know this?
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
The nomenclature is different, therefore unless you already know they're one in the same, you're not going to perceive they are.
And that is the case with the vast majority. Hence why saying something like "if you're a SOT user on a PS5, you're still playing on Xbox" is going to be laughed at. Because the perception of what an Xbox actually is, is not in line with what you're trying to sell ITT.
Even if what you're saying is technically true, if you define Xbox as a backend application/tracker/whatever, you know as well as I that is not how the majority view the Xbox brand. And that's the most important part in all of this.
ManaByte
Banned
How you view it doesn’t dismiss the facts of what it is.
bitbydeath
Member
The bigger trojan horse is MS receiving money when someone buys it!
Seriously though, this is all just part of what going third party looks like.
Seriously though, this is all just part of what going third party looks like.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Glad that was picked up on. The more Manabyte replies, the more noticeable it gets.
It does because you're referring to something that Microsoft thinks the market (i.e customers) should see the brand as, versus what the vast majority of the market actually sees the brand as! People do not view 'Xbox' as a service; they view it as console hardware.
Microsoft can tell their shareholders every SOT or HiFi Rush or whatever player on PS5 & Switch is an Xbox player all they want; most enthusiasts are not going to accept that definition. Most in the market won't even understand that definition, because it's so roundabout and they already have an image of what 'Xbox' is when it's mentioned publicly.
If we listened to Microsoft or certain analysts without question the console market would've died back in 2012. It didn't, and it's not going anywhere anytime soon.
ManaByte
Banned
The whole point is you’re still in their ecosystem.
panda-zebra
Member
Topher
) but we've been signing to them on playstation for years to play Minecraft with friends for instance and therefore being counted in the MAUs for quite some time already. Nothing new or unique about it. It's the bizarre trojan horse and turning ps5 users into xbox users revelation that people seem to be having issues with - your framing leading to them questioning the sincerity in making a thread and choosing that title.Playstation players signing in to microsoft accounts mandatorily when the game dictates or voluntarily in order to obtain benefits/perks doesn't turn them into anything, but they do become MAUs of MS's network at the same time. That's honestly not in any way a big deal - MS is a big 3rd party publisher now and MAUs are obviously back on the menu as they're a useful metric when evaluating a variety of facets of that kind of business. PS5 users aren't changing state or becomming anything they were previously not, they are still ps5 players who also get tallied in MS network MAUs.
Spencer says there are three pillars of xbox; they're a publisher of games, a platform for which other publishers can create & sell games and a hardware platform. Saying "xbox", though, will still only register as the console/hardware platform for most and that's likely to be the case for some time until hardware ceases. Players sign in to their network same as they do with any big 3rd party's online accounts these days, and that's so their behaviour and actions can be tracked and analysed, it's all valuable data. From a player's perspective, that MS keeps a tally of hours played and tracks achievements for identical trophies obtained on playstation is wholly irrelevant. He might have put it a bit more crudely than I might have, but what
GHG
said was not incorrect...It certainly will not register with the average ps5 player sat playing at pirate ships, they won't ever know such things are happening and likely wouldn't care if they did. So why should anyone else other than MS suits? (and. of course, the corporate dong chongers).
That might be it. This isn't exceptional or new as such. Popping achievements that match trophies might be seen as revelatory now, for some at least, but it's kinda inherent when the game stores progress on universal servers... it'd be harder to prevent than anything.You know what, I think this is just the first timeManaByte has personally experienced this type of cross-platform account system so he got excited. Maybe if he played any games other than Sea of Thieves he may have noticed earlier.
tl;dr A player popping trophies and achievements simultaneously while playing a MS game on a PS does not mean they turned into an xbox user, if anything it just proves how much MS likes data they can work with. A slightly different thread title and a take more in line with just stating "all these ps5 players are now MS MAUs" would probably have resulted in less pushback that the trojan horse and turning into stuff did.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Incorrect statement.
rodrigolfp
is right.From Microsoft.....
"You’ll need a Microsoft account to create an Xbox account. A Microsoft account is not the same thing as an Xbox account, although you can use the same email address for both."
Creating an Xbox account is a step after creating a Microsoft account. PlayStation only requires a Microsoft account for Sea of Thieves.
Xbox Support
support.xbox.com
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existensmaximum
Member
100%
And that’s not even a joke, I just quit the game and move on to something else as soon as a separate account is required. Make your games work on the platforms they’re on.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Don't worry. Their Windows versions are still the best.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
This thread has been one helluva ride 
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
That's not how people buying the games on other consoles or non-Xbox PCs are going to think of it as.
And their perception is going to be what shapes a lot of the public discourse. Yes Microsoft technically has them in their gaming ecosystem, but that's Microsoft Gaming's ecosystem now, not Xbox's. Otherwise the division would still be led by Xbox in name; it isn't.
And that reality can coexist around the reality that players on other platforms aren't going to see it the way Microsoft presents it to their shareholders.
Incorrect statement.
From Microsoft.....
"You’ll need a Microsoft account to create an Xbox account. A Microsoft account is not the same thing as an Xbox account, although you can use the same email address for both."
Creating an Xbox account is a step after creating a Microsoft account. PlayStation only requires a Microsoft account for Sea of Thieves.
Xbox Support
Manabyte?
'Ya lost, son. Maybe next time.
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Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
So basically the video game is a virus?
TropicanaTwista
Member
Yea, I don't get it. People act like where they sell they game doesn't matter. It literally does in terms of how much they pull in per game/MTX sold. MS is not doing anything revolutionary here, they are doing something that has been around for decades in this industry, becoming a third party publisher.
Syphon Filter
Member
not sure what your point is? reporting a number will do what exactly?
bitbydeath
Member
EA, Ubisoft and Epic do that too, it’s just what big third party publishers do…
Killer8
Member
In the flimsiest of ways which is not nearly as beneficial to Microsoft as it would be if you had bought the game on Xbox, as an Xbox player. Why do you think they are still talking about Xbox as the place to be when it comes to things like Fallout and Diablo 4 player counts? They still want people on Xbox.
When a PS5 player buys an Xbox game on PS5:
- they have less reasons to buy Xbox hardware because the games come to PS5 anyway
- they will not be paying money into Game Pass, because they don't have the hardware to do so and already have PS+
- as a result of the above, they will not be engaging with the rest of Xbox storefront and won't be purchasing more content for MS to take a cut of
- and speaking of the cut, Microsoft also have to give 20% of everything they make to Sony
- as the recent port analysis is showing, the PS gamer is even getting to enjoy the superior version of the game over the Xbox original
But sure, MS can include that player now in their corporate graphs to make themselves look better. All the while they are dying on the inside from the financial degradation of their brand and continued humiliation in the gaming space.
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ManaByte
Banned
I know. I was the one who posted that thread and have been playing it on PS5 all weekend.
Little Chicken
Gold Member
We are all Xbox
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
panda-zebra
Member
Sea of Thieves on PS5 reveals Sony's Trojan Horse to turn dozens of Xbox users into PS5 users
Next week when I'm playing Sea of Thieves on Xbox I'll be earning trophies every time I get an achievement. When I go to sync those trophies I'll be counted in the MAUs.
Next week when I'm playing Sea of Thieves on Xbox I'll be earning trophies every time I get an achievement. When I go to sync those trophies I'll be counted in the MAUs.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Yes, only MS does that.
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I meant why does it matter in this particular case. To their shareholders maybe?
IFireflyl
Gold Member
Which means nothing in regards to whether you're an Xbox player or a PlayStation/PC player. If the device you're playing on isn't an Xbox, then counting that as an Xbox MAU is a blatant lie.
See above.
See above.
The more you post the more idiotic I think you are.
thismeinteil
Member
I guess some need to find any way to cope with an actual loss. MS is now publishing games in the PS5. That means they are officially going 3rd party. That also means they have to give Sony 30% of all of the revenue made off of those sales. This is a win for Sony, and you could say MS, not Xbox. No inflation of MAU is going to change the situation they are in.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I gotta imagine a high MAU is the sign of a healthy environment. More MAU, more people spending money in the eco-system.
When people are buying or spending money on anything in Sea of Thieves, whether it's the game itself or any MTX / DLC content, it's more money feeding into the Xbox eco-system for MS.
reinking
Gold Member
If anything, I think that is backwards. All Xbox accounts are Microsoft accounts but not all Microsoft accounts are Xbox accounts.
ManaByte
Banned
And with that I’m done.
IFireflyl
Gold Member
Varteras
Member
You just don't get it. Xbox lost a 20+ year console war so they could... *checks notes*... win the MAU war!
