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[andymcc]

Today is the 25th anniversary of Mega Drive's release.

i can still remember getting my Genesis. I didn't get a Japanese Mega Drive until I went to Japan the first time about 11 years ago.

With Space Harrier II and Super Thunder Blade. As a kid I saw Space Harrier 2 shortly after getting a Genesis and Sonic and was pretty blown away by it. I hadn't seen the original, obviously, lol.

I got mine with Altered Beast (the pack-in ver obv.) A few weeks later, dad and I went to TRU to pick up two games, I got to pick one and he picked the other. I got Ghouls n Ghosts and he got one of the Sega Sports Baseball games. I remember telling him not to get Super Thunder Blade because he had it for Master System and I really didn't like it lol.

 

[bjork]

Today is the 25th anniversary of Mega Drive's release.

I'm still using my father's Genesis. I had a C64, he didn't like Nintendo stuff, and he wanted a Genesis. This was 1990, so it was already out for a bit here. But it was during the time where they had a "pick one of these games for free" promotions going, so I think he picked Pat Riley Basketball? I know in the first week he went from just having Altered Beast to also having Arnold Palmer Golf, Super Monaco GP, Tommy Lasorda Baseball, and then Pat Riley a bit later.

My first game on it was Target Earth, because I was at a TRU with my grandmother and it was $7 new. So great, but so hard.

 

[discoalucard]

In comparison, DecapAttack is so sleep-inducingly boring that I would not recommend it to anyone except for the most diehard Psycho Fox (SMS) or Kid Kool (NES) fans, since the game plays like those two games do (same developers I think?)... but seriously, just play Psycho Fox again, it's not nearly as bad as DecapAttack is. At least it IS better than Kid Kool, but that's not saying very much.

No way, Psycho Fox is terrible compared to Decap Attack. That series always had really weird physics but they finally fixed it up by the 16-bit entries. The soundtrack is amazing and it's a prefect Halloween game to boot.

(They were all developed by Vic Tokai, BTW.)

 

[Bog]

Played a little Final Fight CD over the weekend. Still can't get over how great the Framemeister is, especially when a console is connected via RGB. Might be tough to tell with an iPhone pic, but yikes it's nice.

 

[Original Famous Ray]

Loved Final Fight CD..even the James Brown style "wwaaaaoo yeeeeaaaahh" vocals in the music. lol

There's a sound glitch in the last boss if I remember correctly. The last boss yelling out the same "wahoo" sound that the first boss yells out when I punch him.

 

[Genesis Knight]

Played a little Final Fight CD over the weekend. Still can't get over how great the Framemeister is, especially when a console is connected via RGB. Might be tough to tell with an iPhone pic, but yikes it's nice.

Apparently it wasn't good enough for Carmack, lol.

https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/394530440528162816

 

[sixteen-bit]

#TeamCRT

 

[RoryDropkick]

I think I will play some Mega Drive/Genesis stuff tonight. I recently picked up Castlevania Bloodlines, Batman and Robin and McDonald Treasureland.. I also need to take a look and see how some of my other games in my collection look in component SCART.

 

[andymcc]

Apparently it wasn't good enough for Carmack, lol.

https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/394530440528162816

cool that he's running it on clone hardware.

 

[Khaz]

Played a little Final Fight CD over the weekend. Still can't get over how great the Framemeister is, especially when a console is connected via RGB. Might be tough to tell with an iPhone pic, but yikes it's nice.

As much as I like when pixel art is crispier, I feel you lose too much of the dithering effect now. Look at this floor, where you were supposed to have light variation, you now have a bicolor streaked floor. I think we may lose something by using too advanced signal purification. But maybe it's the picture and it feels better for real.

At least pixels are round and not squared. You may want to push the contrast more so that bright pixels blend better with their neighbours while retaining scanline effect on darker spots.

 

[woodypop]

#TeamCRT

brofist

 

[qq more]

Today is the 25th anniversary of Mega Drive's release.

When is the Genesis's anniversary? Or has that already passed?

 

[andymcc]

When is the Genesis's anniversary? Or has that already passed?

next year.

 

[Shadow Hog]

Pat Riley Basketball

Oh, so that's what JonTron's "Willem Dafoe Basketball" gag was.

Not a patch on Bill Clinton Baseball, though.

 

[qq more]

next year.

August 14, 1989. Oh wow, it came out a month after I was born!

I might dedicate August next year to Sega Genesis games. I'll play/replay a lot of them and post my thoughts on each game I play. Should be a fun project.

 

[A Black Falcon]

With Space Harrier II and Super Thunder Blade. As a kid I saw Space Harrier 2 shortly after getting a Genesis and Sonic and was pretty blown away by it. I hadn't seen the original, obviously, lol.

Those games are some of the worst Genesis games... those and Super Hang-On. The horrendous framerates completely ruin the games! If you want to play Space Harrier, play the fantastic 32X version (or any ports or the arcade game -- on Saturn, DC, WiiVC, etc.).

I can see how those games would impress someone who saw them for the first time, since they LOOK very good, but those framerates are so, so bad...

No way, Psycho Fox is terrible compared to Decap Attack. That series always had really weird physics but they finally fixed it up by the 16-bit entries. The soundtrack is amazing and it's a prefect Halloween game to boot.

(They were all developed by Vic Tokai, BTW.)

I got Psycho Fox several years after Decap Attack, and I was surprised because it wasn't as bad as Decap Attack is... it's not quite as tediously dull. It's still not that great, overall, though.

Today is the 25th anniversary of Mega Drive's release.

Should there be/is there a thread celebrating this?

Bullshit! I played DecapAttack for the first time in Sonic's UGC and fell in love. A very underappreciated gem imo.

The game was one of the earlier games I got for the Genesis after getting the system in '06, and yeah, I really disliked it in short order. The game is boring, the attack range is far too short (I know all three games are like that, but it was a bad idea from the start), etc.

 

[Verendus]

I wish to one day have a Streets of Rage on next generation. They used to be so good back in the olden days. So good.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Should there be/is there a thread celebrating this?

Yeah the SNES vs Genesis thread.

Kappa

 

[andymcc]

Yeah the SNES vs Genesis thread.

if you made a thread i'm sure it'd be filled with "robot farts" and "lol this one shitty licensed game was better on SNES than Genesis and here's the youtube vid to prove it"

 

[Bog]

Apparently it wasn't good enough for Carmack, lol.

https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/394530440528162816

For all the money he has, you'd think he'd have an RGB modded NES or at least better than a 13" CRT. I'll stick with my FM on a 52".

 

[ZealousD]

if you made a thread i'm sure it'd be filled with "robot farts" and "lol this one shitty licensed game was better on SNES than Genesis and here's the youtube vid to prove it"

Also, somebody will eventually do an audio comparison using Rock and Roll Racing.

 

[Bar81]

Apparently it wasn't good enough for Carmack, lol.

https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/394530440528162816

When the resident genius that is Carmack is using a 3" CRT for video quality comparisons, you wonder how he ever was able to breath on his own.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Lol @ people piling on Carmack.

He's probably not too fond of the Framemeiser's additional frame of input lag either

#TeamCRT

 

[Tain]

It's wild to think that once gsync is a thing emulating hardware on PC will give you better IQ and less lag (visually at least) than the real deal via upscalers.

but CRT remains king~

 

[Shadow Hog]

Eh, there's still gonna be lag for some emulators even with a better syncing system. I've noticed some take a split-second for Mario to jump in SMW when my SNES never did, either plugged in directly to the TV via S-Video or plugged into the XRGB. This was with the ASUS monitor that EVO uses, with only a frame or so of lag on its own.

 

[Tain]

What emulators are you using, and in what OS? If you're using, say, bsnes in Windows 7/8, you will definitely get lag unless you sidestep desktop composition (which is a total pain in 8). Maybe on top of stuff like controller lag if you're using an adapter.

Emulators right now are often practically lagless when using a lagless monitor with no vsync, triple buffering, or aero-induced vsync. Gsync apparently adds no additional delay on top of that raw screen tearing output, so I'd think a setup with a gsync monitor would at least match dedicated upscalers in terms of lag and beat them in terms of visual fluidity (since ultimately the upscaler needs to deal with timing differences and the emulation setup will not).

 

[Beckx]

Lol @ people piling on Carmack.

He's probably not too fond of the Framemeiser's additional frame of input lag either

#TeamCRT

Especially considering the guy could likely build his own upscaler that would beat anything out there.

 

[Armoured Priest]

Also, somebody will eventually do an audio comparison using Rock and Roll Racing.

and then show youtube videos that will have been recorded from emulators which are notorious for covering up the flaws in the SNES sound hardware making it sound better then it actually was and, in the Genesis' case because FM is harder to emulate, Genesis music will sound worse then it actually was.

 

[televator]

Lol @ people piling on Carmack.

He's probably not too fond of the Framemeiser's additional frame of input lag either

#TeamCRT

I'm pretty happy with RGB + CRT. Just wish I could find a 20" PVM locally

 

[Shadow Hog]

What emulators are you using, and in what OS? If you're using, say, bsnes in Windows 7/8, you will definitely get lag unless you sidestep desktop composition (which is a total pain in 8). Maybe on top of stuff like controller lag if you're using an adapter.

Yeah, BSNES/Higan on Windows 7. Didn't know about that "Desktop Composition" thing, though; I'll have to check that that's not turned on. (I mean, I prefer my desktop looking like it came from friggin' Windows 95, so it's not like I'm getting the Aero-based benefits from it... and what other benefits does this thing even offer?)

 

[Bog]

What emulators are you using, and in what OS? If you're using, say, bsnes in Windows 7/8, you will definitely get lag unless you sidestep desktop composition (which is a total pain in 8). Maybe on top of stuff like controller lag if you're using an adapter.

Emulators right now are often practically lagless when using a lagless monitor with no vsync, triple buffering, or aero-induced vsync. Gsync apparently adds no additional delay on top of that raw screen tearing output, so I'd think a setup with a gsync monitor would at least match dedicated upscalers in terms of lag and beat them in terms of visual fluidity (since ultimately the upscaler needs to deal with timing differences and the emulation setup will not).

This is great and all, but one is emulation and one is the real thing. I won't touch an emulator for retro stuff.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

Also, somebody will eventually do an audio comparison using Rock and Roll Racing.

I had never heard of this game until NeoGAF 16-bit list wars.

I imagine that the reason is self evident.

 

[Khaz]

Yeah, BSNES/Higan on Windows 7. Didn't know about that "Desktop Composition" thing, though; I'll have to check that that's not turned on. (I mean, I prefer my desktop looking like it came from friggin' Windows 95, so it's not like I'm getting the Aero-based benefits from it... and what other benefits does this thing even offer?)

Yes, 7 and 8 (and Vista before them) added more delay thanks to Aero. The developper of Ootake (PC-Engine emulator) explains it quite well:

Factor that Win7/Vista is avoided from game player "Delay Problem"
Solves "Delay Problem" of emulator at Ootake

From Ootake. (excellent emulator overall and best PCE emu imo)

I should add that even in the best conditions, CRT, no lag, no OS slowdowns, etc. an ideal emulator will still be one frame behind the real deal, due to the emulation process itself. I'm no expert, I read that somewhere.

 

[Tain]

It's important to note that you don't need to worry about Aero if the software you're using runs in true full-screen mode. Some emulators don't support this, though (only borderless window fullscreen), which leaves them victims to Aero/desktop composition. BSNES and Dolphin are like this off the top of my head. I haven't used it in a bit but I'm assuming Ootake is too.

lol, sorry for emulation-related derails.

This is great and all, but one is emulation and one is the real thing. I won't touch an emulator for retro stuff.

That's understandable. I'm not planning on selling my SDTV setup or anything, and a scaler is still the only way to go for those that want to stick to real hardware but use modern displays (and that includes all displays, like huge gorgeous plasmas). It's just a really, really nice step forward for emulation.

Hopefully some time in the next decade all sorts of displays will have their timing controlled by whatever is feeding them content and Micomsoft will take advantage of it.

 

[IrishNinja]

#TeamHDTVUpscaled #50inchScreenMoneyGreenLeatherSofa

next year.

we are so having a party..one of ya'll gotta make mod by then so we can ban the naysayers

if you made a thread i'm sure it'd be filled with "robot farts" and "lol this one shitty licensed game was better on SNES than Genesis and here's the youtube vid to prove it"

i'm letting it go
...i'm letting it go

Lol @ people piling on Carmack.

He's probably not too fond of the Framemeiser's additional frame of input lag either

yeah that would've ruined his kids' day no doubt, man where's that YOURE PLAYING IT ALL WRONG thread when you need it, haha

 

[qq more]

Am I a traitor if I'm going to ditch my Genesis console for the RetroN 5? (kidding about the traitor part lol)

I don't have good room for my CRT so I'm sticking with my HDTV. Hoping RetroN 5 turns out fantastic because I'd love an inexpensive option to play my retro games on the TV.

 

[IrishNinja]

i really do hope that pans out as an acceptable substitute for many, i'm only concerned because while i hear android emulators have gotten better, prior Retrons weren't known for accurately representing the genesis' sound...eager to hear reviews on this one though!

 

[Genesis Knight]

Y'all need to back off the Godmack.

 

[qq more]

There has been videos on RetroN 5 showing off gameplay footage actually.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcmh342lsfQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GJtCVJrs_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNfgGioa5oE

I haven't played any of these games, to be honest though. So you guys can judge these better than I do.

(dont worry about the awful sprite filters, theyre thankfully optional)

 

[Dereck]

There has been videos on RetroN 5 showing off gameplay footage actually.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcmh342lsfQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GJtCVJrs_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNfgGioa5oE

I haven't played any of these games, to be honest though. So you guys can judge these better than I do.

(dont worry about the awful sprite filters, theyre thankfully optional)

Sweet

 

[sixteen-bit]

Am I a traitor if I'm going to ditch my Genesis console for the RetroN 5? (kidding about the traitor part lol)

I don't have good room for my CRT so I'm sticking with my HDTV. Hoping RetroN 5 turns out fantastic because I'd love an inexpensive option to play my retro games on the TV.

Please let us know how well Retron 5 runs games.

I might get one eventually if only to back up a bunch of my save files for posterity lol

 

[bishopcruz]

Should there be/is there a thread celebrating this?

Yeah, we seriously need a thread. 25 years, jesus.

 

[Barkley's Justice]

Played a little Final Fight CD over the weekend. Still can't get over how great the Framemeister is, especially when a console is connected via RGB. Might be tough to tell with an iPhone pic, but yikes it's nice.

Oh word?? HDMI looks good too?

 

[Teknoman]

Robot farts?

ROBOT FARTS?!

 

[bishopcruz]

Robot farts?

ROBOT FARTS?!

Yeah, the SNES vs Genesis thread makes me sad. So little love.

 

[IrishNinja]

Yeah, we seriously need a thread. 25 years, jesus.

here you go!

 

[qq more]

Please let us know how well Retron 5 runs games.

I might get one eventually if only to back up a bunch of my save files for posterity lol

Sure thing! I'm going to be doing the OT and impressions. So dang excited for the thing. I'm hoping Amazon allows pre-orders for it soon.

 

[Rygar 8 Bit]

yeah was thinking of buying one as well that way i dont have this cluster fuck of wires everywhere just hope someone makes one for the cd based systems as well at some point

 

[IrishNinja]

yeah was thinking of buying one as well that way i dont have this cluster fuck of wires everywhere just hope someone makes one for the cd based systems as well at some point

oh wow, yeah a sega-CD/turboCD/3DO/CDI etc device would be goddamn amazing, but i dont think like half of those have android emulators...

 

[Rygar 8 Bit]

dont think any do just want to run down my cd based systems every time i boot one up i feel its going to die any minute