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September 2010 NPD "Results" [Up3: Dead Rising 2, Metroid, Kingdom Hearts Numbers]
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BishopLamont
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Yes.Lonely1 said:
brain_stew
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szaromir said:
Completely different situation. The leap in hardware will be much larger and they'll likely be getting the CPU and GPU (at least the GPU) from the exact same company. They've also had plenty of time to develop an emulator for the architecture (remember, this thing taped out back in the 90s) and I'd be utterly shocked beyond belief if they don't have an internal x86 emulator for the Wii. Software emulation will be trivial.
I consider them first party. However Layton is developed for Japan first (at least it comes out a year or so earlier there) and is published over there by Level 5 itself. Nintendo is just an overseas publisher, similarly to Square Enix publishing Call of Duty in Japan (from lack of better examplesLonely1 said:
)BishopLamont
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In this day and age, any major IP that sells well and is exclusive to one platform (and is published by that platform holder) is practically first party.Spiegel said:
Do you see any of these games making an appearance on any other platform any time soon?Brazil said:
Its only stealth because my brain didn't lag long enough.Brazil said:
Like that. :lol
brain_stew
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Spiegel said:
"Having western offices" is completely different to being able to publish a game in the West. Nintendo have presented Layton as a first party title in all western media and I'd be shocked beyond belief if its published by anyone but Nintendo.
BishopLamont
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Fair enough.Spiegel said:
Sho_Nuff82
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His point (and I agree) is that if Capcom genuinely wants DR to be on the level of DMC or RE, the restrictive game design has to go. Making it a true sandbox is the only way to achieve those numbers.HK-47 said:
I'm one of the (clearly many) who bought the first on 360 because of the concept and was so turned off by the frustrating design decisions that I never bothered to finish it. Played Case Zero, it was more of the same so I passed.
BishopLamont
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Its all semantics, but yes Layton isn't outsourced, although its practically first party in terms of worth and exclusiveness.Brazil said:
I wonder how my current PC would handle GC/Wii emulation, my last one (with the slowest Core 2 Duo) ran Metroid Prime at fantastic 20fps at native res.:lol Though probably Nintendo could make it more efficient.brain_stew said:
Do you think Nintendo will use IBM CPU again? Would hypothetical $299/100W 2011 console have CPU better than my old Core2Duo?
Psychotext
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I can honestly say I wouldn't buy DR if it was a true sandbox game. I actually love some of the aspects of the game that people seem to complain most about.Sho_Nuff82 said:
hosannainexcelsis
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Like Dragon Quest IX is first party?brain_stew said:
I wonder if Black Ops 360 first months sales will top what MW2 did (4.2 million?)
A lot of games already vacated the fall because of Black Ops. Probably going to be seeing double digit percentage decreases for number of a publishers, just like we did this month.
A lot of games already vacated the fall because of Black Ops. Probably going to be seeing double digit percentage decreases for number of a publishers, just like we did this month.
brain_stew
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Spiegel said:
Its academic anyway, if I was technically wrong then fine, I concede the point, it makes no difference. First party, outsourced, second party, third party, whatever you want to call it, its a key launch era 3DS title that is being developed by someone other than Nintendo's internal development studios. That was my only point originally, that of the numerous titles announced for 3DS launch lineup there's very little work there for Nintendo's internal studios despite there already being enough software announced to comfortably cover its first year. Those internal developers are doing something, and there's a very good chance that many are occupied with Wii2 software.
P.S. Why didn't I just say KI! :lol Is it OK to call that "outsourced"?
brain_stew
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szaromir said:
Ya think!? :lol
I think they'll use AMD's Bobcat cores (probably ~4 of them).
brain_stew
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Sho_Nuff82 said:
Fyi but the DR2 that you want to play is actually available right now. Just pick up the PC version and download some of the mods that have been popping up already. Many of them focus on removing the many structural restrictions in place in the base game.
Stoney Mason
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brain_stew said:
That has nothing to do with the point he just made about sales.
Why not?JWong said:
Last year only the PS3 and 360 version charted inside the top 20 and those two sold between 270k and 306k. Even if those two increased because of the World Cup, it is understandable the PS2, Wii, NDS and PSP versions sold less and the overall total didn't change much.
It might even have sold way less than 370k, considering NHL 10 sold at best 326k last year.
It's substantially ahead of Dissidia and Peace Walker (130k and 52k, respectively), but it's behind Crisis Core at a little over 301k. I would say that it's particularly more impressive that BBS had sold this well given how disastrous PSP software sales have been in the wake of Crisis Core and GoW:CoO, but I think everyone is expecting it to be the worst-selling mainline KH.Seda said:
BishopLamont
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I see a game's "partyness" in terms of its worth to the platform and its exclusiveness to it. For example all those FF's on PS1 and PS2 is basically first party since it stayed there for the whole generation. It took a massive swing in budget for it to break tradition. Like I said, its all semantics.V_Arnold said:
I'm positive I've had this same discussion before. God damn NPD and their stingy ass.
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Its America, not Europe.JWong said:
It wouldn't be Dead Rising anymore. Maybe in name, but nothing more. I understand that people just want to destroy zombies, but if you give players to much freedom regarding this single part of the game, it grows stale. Dead Rising isn't just about zombies: it's about survival and making choices in a short amount of time. Just like in a real zombie outbreak. I personally like this approach more.sillymonkey321 said:
Sho_Nuff82
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But it is an interesting proposition, now that I own a gaming PC.Stoney Mason said:
I doubt Capcom is irked over sales improving over the first, just suggesting why the series hasn't taken off.
Sho_Nuff82 said:
Or maybe you just want the game your way? A lot of people also like the fact that DR has some challenge instead of just having you fight zombies? Fuck you CAN sandbox if thats what you want. But DR without the time limit and all restrictions removed on the mission would be pretty fucking boring. There is no urgency then, which all the best zombie games have.
brain_stew
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Stoney Mason said:
It has everything to do with his second paragraph and the issues raised by many others as to what turned them off DR2. A "sandbox" version of DR2 does exist for those that want to play it, of course its not going to affect the games sales by any real amount, but its certainly worth making people aware of, if its something that removes the very things that was turning them away from the game.
Sho_Nuff82 said:
And there we go, it helped someone out and informed them about something that might interest them that is relevant to the current discussion. My post contributed to this thread, yours did nothing of the sort, so why were you complaining again?
Starchasing
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Wii 2 will be like 3ds .... A gimmick + better graphics than the competition + designed to court 3rd partiesbrain_stew said:
brain_stew
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donny2112 said:
And you think I wasn't!? :lol
onipex said:
Of course they will, still don't know why that led you to change his statement, though.
They can release hardware that is cheaper to manufacture than the PS3 and still offer much better graphics performance. Cheap =/= a system that is slower than the current consoles, far from it. The reasons for this have been explained in detail over the last two pages. Surassing PS3/360 level graphics isn't difficult these days, integrated graphics solutions can manage it with little issue.
brain_stew
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What's the marketing like for Move in the US? They can obviously learn a thing or two from SCEE, its not as if the US market isn't open to motion control. I suspect Kinnect may drive the 360 in the US while Move drives the PS3 in Europe.