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Star Citizen cast: Gary Oldman, Gillian Anderson, Mark Hamill, Andy Serkis and more

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bj00rn_

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Mushroomer25 said:
I'm more referring to the wider audience, the people who will see Gary Oldman in a videogame and think 'I should preorder that'. They'll be interested, but not enough to buy a gaming PC just to play SQ42.

And if you aren't able to convert those people, I just don't think hiring a cast like this is economical.
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I think you could call 90+ million crowdfunded a wide enough audience.. SC is already more successful than most games out there. So why is it even some sort of criteria to go wider to unlock some unknown milestone of unknown worth? What is the reasoning behind this?

Anyway, many of these actors are Roberts' friends or part of his network, some of them even starred in his previous Wing Commander games. The cost of hiring them is most likely a lot less than you think.
 
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JackDT

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Filter said:
The camera work in that Oldman monologue... How many zoom ins can you do in a minute.
And the music is so hokey.
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It's a really weak scene if that's the opening of the game. It's a boring location, a Senate chamber filled with a generic crowd, with nothing but shots of a wooden CGI character giving a speech. And the speech itself was so generic. Is it supposed to come off like a generic politician speech or are we actually supposed to be inspired? The music suggests we are supposed to think it's a good speech and a moving scene.

Hell I'd prefer simply hearing the audio played over a montage of ships pew-pewing and explodering real good.
 
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Anjelus_

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nOoblet16 said:
Unrelated to this topic of mocap:
I don't understand why they have had the funding on for so long, they stopped having stretch goals at $55 million, the game now has over $91 million in funding, that's $36 million of overfunding. Why keep the funding open if there are no stretch goals? I mean I am fine if other people want to keep throwing money at them but if it isn't directly translating to the game's development in the form of additions (since that's how crowdfunding works) then it's just free money for them (I donno how else to put it).

Beside at some point they will have to decide to stop adding things and just finish the game otherwise it will keep going on and on.
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Your statements are a bit contradictory. You say they have to stop adding things at some point, but then you ask why they stopped having stretch goals at $55 million (it was actually $65, btw).

Star Citizen is actually hyperaware of feature creep. It's been discussed since Day 1 of the project. Very early on, 10 - 20 million or so, they started making their stretch goals very basic. Nothing major. They asked the community to take votes on whether they should continue offering stretch goals, people voted yes, so they did. But at 65 they stopped since they really couldn't think of any more little things to add and it stopped being worth it.

As far as taking money, this game is entirely funded on the backs of 1990s PC gamers with discretionary income to spare. All the money to this day funds development, there's really no reason to stop it until the game is complete.



bj00rn_ said:
Anyway, many of these actors are Roberts' friends or part of his network, some of them even starred in his previous Wing Commander games. The cost of hiring them is most likely a lot less than you think.
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Bingo. Mark Hamill and John Rhys Davies were both in Wing Commander 3 and 4 and have always talked about the fun they had doing them. I'm sure it wasn't very hard to talk them into coming in for this one.
 
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nOoblet16

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Anjelus_ said:
Your statements are a bit contradictory. You say they have to stop adding things at some point, but then you ask why they stopped having stretch goals at $55 million (it was actually $65, btw).

Star Citizen is actually hyperaware of feature creep. It's been discussed since Day 1 of the project. Very early on, 10 - 20 million or so, they started making their stretch goals very basic. Nothing major. They asked the community to take votes on whether they should continue offering stretch goals, people voted yes, so they did. But at 65 they stopped since they really couldn't think of any more little things to add and it stopped being worth it.

As far as taking money, this game is entirely funded on the backs of 1990s PC gamers with discretionary income to spare. All the money to this day funds development, there's really no reason to stop it until the game is complete.

Bingo. Mark Hamill and John Rhys Davies were both in Wing Commander 3 and 4 and have always talked about the fun they had doing them. I'm sure it wasn't very hard to talk them into coming in for this one.
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Yea I see how it looks, I meant that why do they have funding open if they stopped having stretch goals. The statement about them should have had an If at the start as it would've come across as "IF they are still adding things (which we don't know about as there are no more stretch goals) then they have to stop at some point and work on finishing the game."


About funding, other kickstarters and crowdfunded games ask for an amount of money that funds the game and pays the developers...I mean that's what the money is for isn't it? The game itself doesn't consumes money but rather it's the people who work on the game and the licences etc. If the funding has reached an amount where everything is covered, including the salary and licensing (again this is what the money has always been for i.e. payment, and the stretch goals were made keeping these in mind) then what is the point of pouring more money into it? This is the equivalent of donations now rather than funding the game...yes money goes out of gamer's pockets and into the studio's pocket...but they do so for different reasons and I am not really a fan of the practice.
 
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Kyougar

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Mushroomer25 said:
I just don't see a ton of people putting that much cash down to play one game. Which makes this investment in A-list stars a little bit crazy to me.
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there are hundreds of thousands of people who buy a Console just for one game. Just look at NPD or PAL threads whole pages are dedicated of who why when Game XYZ will be the Systemseller that pushes the specific console.

Why shouldnt it be different here?
 
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More_Badass

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Mushroomer25 said:
I just don't see a ton of people putting that much cash down to play one game. Which makes this investment in A-list stars a little bit crazy to me.
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Because it's Wing Commander on a larger scale and those games had some major actors and a focus on being a cinematic experience
 
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SparkTR

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alexandros said:
So they'll buy new hardware, I don't understand why this is so strange to you. Console gamers (claim to) do this all the time, buying new hardware in order to play a specific game, nevermind one so ambitious as Star Citizen. If you only have a console, buy a PC. If you have a weak PC, upgrade it. If Star Citizen realizes its potential it will be very much worth it.
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There's also 31m people who have hardware capable of playing this game (above ps4 settings at least) according to Steam stat's. That's a mass market right there to target.
 
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KKRT00

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Mushroomer25 said:
I just don't see a ton of people putting that much cash down to play one game. Which makes this investment in A-list stars a little bit crazy to me.
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But thats me. My PC upgrade path is solely related to Star Citizen.
I'm an EVE Online 'veteran' and Star Citizen will give me EVE's like experience in slightly lower scale, but from FPP perspective without need to being a second job.
I can pay for this experience, because EVE was the best game i've ever played in my life.
 
Vigilant Walrus

Vigilant Walrus

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Mushroomer25 @ CPU progress have been almost stagnant in power in the last 5 years. So let's not pretend you need to buy a new PC just to play this game.

Many people don't play at highest settings, and those people that will choose to upgrade will do so by buying a new graphics card. And thankfully, due to a focus on energy efficiency most of these people who choose to do that will be able to just put it in their PC and go, as they won't need a more powerful PSU or something.

Pascal is coming out next year and is said to quadruple the performance of the same class cards in some instances. That is probably an overestimation, but the leap forward will be great.


So I think is a fallacy. The gaming market keeps growing, and as we've seen with titles like Crysis which ended up selling millions on a steady curve after the initial sales died down, graphically impressive games sort of become benchmark tools for gamers to be used over and over.
Fallout 4 is already pushing 3970k and 870 GTX as "recommended" this fall. With the optimization to this game when it comes out, and pascal, I don't think it will be this scenario that you're projecting.
 
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charsace

Member
So, do people still believe they are stealing the money? They have actors doing motion capture for the single player and they also interview Gary Oldman. So can the talk about this being a scam die now?
 
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Corpekata

Banned
charsace said:
So, do people still believe they are stealing the money? They have actors doing motion capture for the single player and they also interview Gary Oldman. So can the talk about this being a scam die now?
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This makes the mistake in thinking half the concern trolls that talk about the game actually give a shit one way or the other.
 
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KKRT00

Member
charsace said:
So, do people still believe they are stealing the money? They have actors doing motion capture for the single player and they also interview Gary Oldman. So can the talk about this being a scam die now?
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Anyone who thought that they are stealing money was an idiot or just trolled.
 
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Dreams-Visions

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charsace said:
So, do people still believe they are stealing the money? They have actors doing motion capture for the single player and they also interview Gary Oldman. So can the talk about this being a scam die now?
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if you think more trailers and some very Alpha-like alpha footage are going to hush the boo birds, you don't understand how this process works. Those people and feelings will go away once the game is out of Beta and these large modules/modes are in a better state.
 
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Dictator93

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Dreams-Visions said:
if you think more trailers and some very Alpha-like alpha footage are going to hush the boo birds, you don't understand how this process works. Those people and feelings will go away once the game is out of Beta and these large modules/modes are in a better state.
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Really? I think those people will never hush up. Calling it a scam is quite different than thinking it is not ready.
 
Spladam

Spladam

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Wow, Derek called this too.... Damn. Anyway, I'm stoked about the talent, this should be freaking awesome. Gillian and Mark are perfect casting for this it would seem, if Hamil is half as good as he was in Batman, this is going to be awesome, as he was not that spectacular in Wing Commander.
 
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charsace

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Pretty sad that so many gamers are on the hate train for this game when it is an historic game.

Star Citizen shows the power of the internet and what can happen when people come together. Star Citizen is the result of people deciding not to be apathetic and instead deciding this thing needs to be a reality and so they support it.

Why would anyone would want this game to be a scam or a huge failure is puzzling to me. You have a guy leading this who developed some classic games.
 
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KKRT00

Member
Spladam said:
Wow, Derek called this too.... Damn. Anyway, I'm stoked about the talent, this should be freaking awesome. Gillian and Mark are perfect casting for this it would seem, if Hamil is half as good as he was in Batman, this is going to be awesome, as he was not that spectacular in Wing Commander.
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Actually, I knew Gary Oldman part of Derek's argument was true. I mean he has access to some info we dont normally get via connections and just involvement of very known figure in movie industry is very hard to hide.
But as usual he was wrong about everything else.
 
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pislit

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What has Star Citizen did to these people to receive this vitriol? Are these people backers, Space game fans, or even PC gamers?
 
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KKRT00

Member
pislit said:
What has Star Citizen did to these people to receive this vitriol? Are these people backers, Space game fans, or even PC gamers?
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Chris Roberts worked as producer in movie industry for 10 years. Connections can You get quite far.
Also some of those actors worked on Wing Commander series many years ago.
 
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Kama_1082

Banned
charsace said:
Pretty sad that so many gamers are on the hate train for this game when it is an historic game.

Star Citizen shows the power of the internet and what can happen when people come together. Star Citizen is the result of people deciding not to be apathetic and instead deciding this thing needs to be a reality and so they support it.

Why would anyone would want this game to be a scam or a huge failure is puzzling to me. You have a guy leading this who developed some classic games.
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A historically expensive, crowd funded disaster.
 
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Agremont

Member
moggio said:
Well it's going to be hilarious when the whole project implodes.
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Kama_1082 said:
Because I can't wait to see this crash and burn
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Smh. I will never get people like you.

I have never wished for a game to fail in my entire life. It's a concept completely alien to me.

br0ken_shad0w said:
Hope so, but that Gary Oldman intro was pretty bad tbqh. It really needed some better directing and editing.

Hopefully it's just them trying to show off tech and not an indication of actual cinematography and acting.
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Yeah that's the feeling I get. At least I hope it's that.
 
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KKRT00

Member
Kama_1082 said:
I have a rig with a GTX 970, 16 gb ram, i5-4690 yada yada yada. But keep on assuming.
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So? You are still a console gamer at heart, so You dont understand the concept of this game. Have even played EVE Online? Or even read about it? Star Citizen and EVE Online have a lot of similarities in design.

From Fallout 4 thread
Kama_1082 said:
Holidays and travel.

And the pip boy edition is reserved for PS4
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Kama_1082

Banned
KKRT00 said:
So? You are still a console gamer at heart

From Fallout 4 thread
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I'm sorry that I don't worship PC gaming because I have a powerful machine. My sincere apologies.


That's why I don't talk about it here because I'd rather not associate myself with the PC crowd here. It's terrible.
 
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