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[Gaiff]

Did someone ask for another Starfield thread?



adamsapple isn't feeling well today so I'm replacing him.

- Missing basic features such as DLSS, FOV sliders, gamma and contrast adjustment, and HDR
- Says it's great that modders added that but also blames Bethesda for being such a huge studio with a massive budget that doesn't have those features
- DLSS is much better than FSR. Less ghosting, less flickering, and an overall more stable image
- AF looks poor at times and forcing it through the NVIDIA control panel results in weird shadow glitches. Cannot recommend forcing it
- AMD GPUs run MUCH better than Intel/NVIDIA GPUs, outperforming their counterparts by up to 40%. The 6800 XT for instance consistently outperforms the 3080 by over 25%
- Ultra Shadows also cause significant stutters on NVIDIA/Intel cards
- Similar story with CPUs but not in terms of performance. Hyperthreading seems to be broken on Intel where it results in WORSE performance compared to no Hyperthreading. SMT doesn't exhibit such behavior
- No shader compilation stutters but it does have stutters when crossing invisible lines in the game world. They can be mitigated with more powerful hardware than can halve the frame time spikes
- Very light on VRAM usage, using less than 4GB at 1440p/optimized settings
- PC is the best way to play it by far, provided you're willing to circumvent the inherent limitations
- Very long load times on Series X, 37 seconds from the main menu into game whereas on a PC with a 12900K and NVME drive, it takes less than 11 seconds, suggesting there is no usage of Direct Storage
- Recommends people with older NVIDIA cards (3070 and below) to wait for more patches/driver updates

 

[mansoor1980]

i really hope this is the last time bethesda use this engine

 

[Mr Moose]

i really hope this is the last time bethesda use this engine

Bethesda when they release Elder Scrolls 6 with the same engine:

 

[feynoob]

Another starfield thread

 

[Mister Wolf]

FSR2 is a joke.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Good job DF. This will get bethesdas ass into gear. Pathetic you don't have a good running version of your game on intel and nvidia.

 

[Gaiff]

 

[feynoob]

i really hope this is the last time bethesda use this engine

Bethesda when they release Elder Scrolls 6 with the same engine:

At least the map wont be divided in to multiple cells.

Hopefully we get 1 gainst map with tons of rpg quest line.

 

[Bojji]

Also, super long loading times on Xbox vs PC.

Games is a mess right now, I like it very much but it shouldn't launch without basic features missing and shit performance on Nvidia/Intel GPUs.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Also, super long loading times on Xbox vs PC.

Games is a mess right now, I like it very much but it shouldn't launch without basic features missing and shit performance on Nvidia/Intel GPUs.

More than being a next-generation only game it is a game that ran like shit on old generation HW so it got cut… other platforms are bruteforcing it…

 

[Crispy Gamer]

Didn't expect PC load times to be that much faster than Series X you'd think they would use the Velocity Architecture/direct storage

 

[Xcell Miguel]

Forcing anisotropic to 16x only causes shadow issue if shaders are already compiled, you just need to delete them and there will be no shadow issue.
I force it globally in the drivers since forever and never saw that issue in Starfield.

Also no mention of forcing ReBAR on Nvidia cards, which could lower the performance difference against equivalent AMD cards, the Game Ready Nvidia driver was not that ready in the end.

 

[damidu]

how do i turn off hyperthreading, geez. will it break windows to make this run faster

 

[Bojji]

More than being a next-generation only game it is a game that ran like shit on old generation HW so it got cut… other platforms are bruteforcing it…

Probably, this is what should happen to cyberpunk at launch, it was disaster on kast gen.

Didn't expect PC load times to be that much faster than Series X you'd think they would use the Velocity Architecture/direct storage

Many developers don't give a fuck, and this is massive exclusive with hundreds of millions dollars budget.

If biggest Ms studios don't give a shit about this (and mesh shaders, SFS etc.), people shouldn't expect third parties to do so.

 

[Bojji]

how do i turn off hyperthreading, geez. will it break windows to make this run faster

You need to go to bios, look out for some tutorial for your motherboard where the setting is. Windows won't show much difference (if any).

 

[damidu]

You need to go to bios, look out for some tutorial for your motherboard where the setting is. Windows won't show much difference (if any).

but other games will, i suppose? ill leave it. ill be gpu limited before cpu with a 4070 anyway i think.
cpu is 12900 non K

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Dude, this is absurd, why aren't they using the direct storage API!? They're brute forcing the decompression on the fucking CPU.

 

[Bojji]

but other games will, i suppose? ill leave it ill be gpu limited before cpu with a 4070 anyway i think.
cpu is 12900 non K

I have 5800x3d with 4070 and I'm GPU limited pretty much all the time. So yeah, unless you want to play at 720p there is no need to mess up with HT.

 

[Bernoulli]

i really hope this is the last time bethesda use this engine

The Elder Scrolls 6 Will Use Creation Engine 2, Like Starfield, But It's Still A Long Ways Off

The Elder Scrolls 6 is finally giving Tamriel the much-needed upgrade we've all been hoping for.

www.gameinformer.com

 

[Bojji]

Dude, this is absurd, why aren't they using the direct storage API!? They're brute forcing the decompression on the fucking CPU.

 

[Elysium44]

Also, super long loading times on Xbox vs PC.

I seem to remember lots of hype when the Xbox Series came out, about how 'load times will be a thing of the past'

 

[mansoor1980]

apart from base resolution of 1440p and shadows , the rest of the settings are really low for 30fps on xsx.

 

[Hugare]

"- AMD GPUs run MUCH better than Intel/NVIDIA GPUs, outperforming their counterparts by up to 40%. The 6800 XT for instance consistently outperforms the 3080 by over 25%"

This shit is just ridiculous. Fuck AMD and fuck Bethesda for parterning with this cancer.

Nvidia is greedy, but what AMD is doing is downright criminal

 

[Mr Moose]

They must not have given Nvidia codes for the game too

 

[winjer]

"- AMD GPUs run MUCH better than Intel/NVIDIA GPUs, outperforming their counterparts by up to 40%. The 6800 XT for instance consistently outperforms the 3080 by over 25%"

This shit is just ridiculous. Fuck AMD and fuck Bethesda for parterning with this cancer.

Nvidia is greedy, but what AMD is doing is downright criminal

Just turn on Rebar with nvidia inspector, and that will put the 3080 much closer to the performance of the 6800XT.
Or wait until nvidia whitelists this game on their drivers.

 

[damidu]

I seem to remember lots of hype when the Xbox Series came out, about how 'load times will be a thing of the past'

that was the other console, lol
honestly in game loads are not this bad, they are just unbelivably frequent.
this is initial save file load i suppose, its filling the cargo with potates and such, i suppose

 

[Lokaum D+]

i think DF may need to upgrade their PCs

 

[winjer]

They must not have given Nvidia codes for the game too

All vendors received game code.
Nvidia was the first with optimized driver for Starfield, almost a week before the game launched.
AMD only released theirs a day before launch.
And Intel has so many problems with their drivers, it barely worked for days. But they released 2 updates with many fixes.

 

[Bojji]

I seem to remember lots of hype when the Xbox Series came out, about how 'load times will be a thing of the past'

If devs utilized tools and decompression hardware on consoles that would be the case but only some are doing that. This is true for both PS5 and Xbox, many games have terrible CPU limited loading times.

"- AMD GPUs run MUCH better than Intel/NVIDIA GPUs, outperforming their counterparts by up to 40%. The 6800 XT for instance consistently outperforms the 3080 by over 25%"

This shit is just ridiculous. Fuck AMD and fuck Bethesda for parterning with this cancer.

Nvidia is greedy, but what AMD is doing is downright criminal

Amd sponsorer titles are unoptimized turds most of the time, that's why people are afraid of their sponsorships. Both Jedi and this game proves it pretty well. Those games run like shit in general but less shit on AMD hardware.

Nvidia have done many shady shit in the past but their sponsored titles are usually in much better condition.

 

[Buggy Loop]

FSR2 is a joke.

Somehow AMD thinks that showcasing this exclusively is helping.

Mind boggling

FSR is this :

 

[Ulysses 31]

how do i turn off hyperthreading, geez. will it break windows to make this run faster

Not sure I would do this, in other games like Metro Exodus Enhanced I lost nearly 50% fps in certain areas by turning off CPU SMT.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Dude, this is absurd, why aren't they using the direct storage API!? They're brute forcing the decompression on the fucking CPU.

Lmao.


Also what are those optimized settings? Mostly low/medium? Starfield for peasants?

 

[darrylgorn]

 

[Mister Wolf]

Somehow AMD thinks that showcasing this exclusively is helping.

Mind boggling

FSR is this :

It's crazy how a fast and dirty port of DLSS is so much better than it.

 

[winjer]

Amd sponsorer titles are unoptimized turds most of the time, that's why people are afraid of their sponsorships. Both Jedi and this game proves it pretty well. Those games run like shit in general but less shit on AMD hardware.

Nvidia have done many shady shit in the past but their sponsored titles are usually in much better condition.

You do realize that neither AMD, nvidia or Intel optimize games. Their sponsorships are to implement things FSR, DLSS, XeSS, CaCAO, RTX, etc.
There are plenty of games that are very well optimized that were sponsored by AMD. For example Dead Island 2 is probably the best optimized UE4 game in several years.
And there are also several games sponsored by nvidia, that are poorly optimized. Like BF2042, Redfall, Gollum, Warharmmer 40K Darktide, CP 2077, etc...

 

[Nfactor_AF]

Damn, almost every single setting on Xbox Series X is low (or lower then PC low) settings. Even with all that in check, Creation Engine v2.0 runs at 1080p with Dynamic Resolution + VRS then upscaled to 4K with FSR2 at a mostly 30fps cap. To think this game was originally gonna launch in Nov 2021 lol. What the hell is going on at Bethesda when it comes to their technology and programming engineers. I love Starfield, it's one of favorite games now, but this shit is just straight up dogshit.

To think that after having the biggest AAA game in history flop (Fallout 76 back in 2018) and Todd Howard go into hiding until Microsoft bought the company in 2020, you would think they'd try to be more gracious to gamers, has a big come back to form since the Fallout 76 debacle.

Phil Spencer really is one of the worst Creative Managers in the videogame business. Dude needs to exit videogames and business relation managment. Someone at Xbox Game Studios needs to step in and either force Bethesda to use a new inhouse engine (IDTech7+) or go with Unreal Engine or some thing else new. 21 years after Creation Engine was created for Morrowind, it's time in the sun is over.

 

[Mr Moose]

Damn, almost every single setting on Xbox Series X is low (or lower then PC low) settings. Even with all that in check, Creation Engine v2.0 runs at 1080p with Dynamic Resolution + VRS then upscaled to 4K with FSR2 at a mostly 30fps cap. To think this game was originally gonna launch in Nov 2021 lol. What the hell is going on at Bethesda when it comes to their technology and programming engineers. I love Starfield, it's one of favorite games now, but this shit is just straight up dogshit.

Isn't it 1440p?

 

[NeonDelta]

Using a 3070 and it’s fine, not sure why they recommend I wait for patches.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

i really hope this is the last time bethesda use this engine

 

[ZehDon]

45% advantage on AMD hardware? Fucking laughable. Bethesda need to get their shit together.

 

[Nfactor_AF]

Isn't it 1440p?

Is it? I think maybe your right, it's 1080p Dynamic Res to 1440p then FSR2 to 4K.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Bethesda need to get their shit together.

Why? Game is selling like crazy.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Damn, almost every single setting on Xbox Series X is low (or lower then PC low) settings. Even with all that in check, Creation Engine v2.0 runs at 1080p with Dynamic Resolution + VRS then upscaled to 4K with FSR2 at a mostly 30fps cap. To think this game was originally gonna launch in Nov 2021 lol. What the hell is going on at Bethesda when it comes to their technology and programming engineers. I love Starfield, it's one of favorite games now, but this shit is just straight up dogshit.

To think that after having the biggest AAA game in history flop (Fallout 76 back in 2018) and Todd Howard go into hiding until Microsoft bought the company in 2020, you would think they'd try to be more gracious to gamers, has a big come back to form since the Fallout 76 debacle.

Phil Spencer really is one of the worst Creative Managers in the videogame business. Dude needs to exit videogames and business relation managment. Someone at Xbox Game Studios needs to step in and either force Bethesda to use a new inhouse engine (IDTech7+) or go with Unreal Engine or some thing else new. 21 years after Creation Engine was created for Morrowind, it's time in the sun is over.

But then the engine boggles the mind





The persistence and physics of objects are next gen

Is it worth the cost for how it looks? I don’t think so personally. But what a weird fucking flex. Imagine the engine engineer spending all that coding ressources that only hoarders will see how neat it is. 99% of peoples will never see it.

 

[ZehDon]

Why? Game is selling like crazy.

When 80% of their players are using Hardware X, and their game deliberately runs worse on that hardware, that's pretty fucking shitty. I can brute force Starfield - most players can't. Bethesda needs to get their shit together and fix it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Good job DF. This will get bethesdas ass into gear. Pathetic you don't have a good running version of your game on intel and nvidia.

What do you mean? The Todd Artist said it was optimized, just upgrade your PC.

 

[RIPN2022]

i really hope this is the last time bethesda use this engine

I started the game yesterday and sweet jesus please. I can't remember a game that has this many loading screens. Its like something out of PS3/360 era.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Bethesda needs to get their shit together and fix it.

Again - why? Reviewers are not punishing developers for technical performance, neither are consumers.

 

[RIPN2022]

apart from base resolution of 1440p and shadows , the rest of the settings are really low for 30fps on xsx.

I'm running the game on PC with pretty much low settings. Hitting 35-40 FPS generally.

There's no excuse.

 

[Elysium44]

that was the other console, lol
honestly in game loads are not this bad, they are just unbelivably frequent.
this is initial save file load i suppose, its filling the cargo with potates and such, i suppose

You can find videos from 2020 of Digital Foundry and others hyping the SSD and direct storage etc. as eliminating load times. Seems like they overhyped the console like they overhyped this game.

This comment from 3.5 years ago showed how people believed it (and why wouldn't they, they were told by 'trustworthy' sources that it was true).

Microsoft Reveals How Xbox Series X Is Going To Beat PS5

Incredible power! Ray tracing! Xbox One enhancements!

www.purexbox.com

The catch is that it isn't true. 3.5 years later the most hyped Xbox first party game releases at 4k (upscaled), 30fps and with terrible load times.

 

[violence]

We need AMD… *looks away.*